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subsequently ending up knowing lots of bits of songs rather than the complete thing,
although this of course gave birth to my legendary GnR / Knopfler mash up medley
"sweet child of my swinging sultans"
also wish I could do String bends and vibrato better
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Especially chorus.
With the creative stuff I think it's a case of getting ideas down and working on them, and not caring too much what other people might think (or what you think they might think...chances are it's actually pretty good, and you're just too used to hearing yourself play). Also, some ideas may sound crappy at first, but once you start building up your piece they'll sound a lot better. I know what you mean about songwriting. I've done a fair amount now, but I tend to do leave the chorus and verse sections very basic so that the singer can come up with something and tell me to change stuff. I can't sing at all.
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The first problem is that the chord voicings in this style of music are completely different to the ones you use in any other style, including small band jazz. At first I got the charts and tried to find voicings that fit the written chords, including trying to capture the flavour of the upper extensions, although it isn't physically possible to play them all. That was slow and laborious and difficult.
I then did a bit of surfing and realised that's not how it's usually done. Normally swing guitarists use a limited set of voicings and avoid playing extensions higher than 7. Mainly you use voicings on strings 3,4 and 6, often damping 6 so you have in effect 2 notes plus some dampened strings.
In many ways this makes things much easier: the chord shapes are repetitive, there's only a limited number and with a bit of practice it becomes much easier to decide what to play. But you are still using new, unfamiliar chord shapes and there's a learning curve in getting those under your fingers, especially since some changes are very rapid.
But the much bigger difficulty is remembering the charts. Constant subtle changes and reharmonisation mean there's far less repetition than in other styles of music. Any other styles I've played, including some fairly complicated stuff like Steely Dan, or bands where I've had to memorise a bunch of solos note for note, the memorisation process has been much, much easier . There's repetition in the chords, melodies stick in your head. With this stuff it's variable yet samey. A lot of it of it is easy to play, but a very hard to remember.
Obviously these charts are written for fluent readers, so remembering stuff isn't an issue for them. But never having done it before I find it very hard to play and read a chart at the same time. I keep glancing at my hands and by the time I look back at the chart I've lost my place.
End result is I've vacillated between two solutions. Practice playing while focussing on the charts, or just make a big effort to memorise the stuff. But mainly I've favoured just memorising stuff, because it's what I've always done and seems natural.
I've now had a couple of rehearsals where I've been embarrassed by my efforts. I thought I'd got the arrangements more or less into my brain, but my memory of the intricate arrangement fails me, and if I momentarily forget the next chord I'm totally lost, sitting out big chunks of songs.
I'm still not sure whether to make a big push to get to know the stuff backwards so I can play it, go back to trying to use the charts as an aide-memoire, or throw in the towel and tell the band to get a guy whose experience is a better fit.
I really had no concept that this would be so difficult.
When I do, I get better, almost striaght away, but then I put the guitar down for a couple of days and my "feel" just goes.
I'm an intermediate player at best and my ear is crap, so I'm just another in the crowd really, love my guitar playing though
I find some things that are considered simple basics very very difficult indeed. Barre chords are a constant frustration as where a normal person would have their ring finger relatively flat to the neck, that's physically impossible for me. There is a very pronounced 'scoop' between my top two joints when pressing down for a barre chord that really makes things difficult.