ThatPedalShow Shoegaze, Muff episode

BintyTwanger77

Dungus said:

Hmm, I really should put together an all-encompassing cheesy blues-rock, dad-rock demo video despite not knowing anything about any of that old crap...

Exactly. Really boils my piss.

ThePrettyDamned

Drew_TNBD said:

I can only take those guys in small doses.

Can't take them at all now. Generally boring, and with very little time taken to bother learning other genres or styles of playing. 

Sort of lime chappers but grown up. 

Cookiemonster

Ive said before. But for me Dan is cool. Mick while being a good player. Is annoying, never seems to know anything, including not knowing  as he said in a recent episode,What an echorec was/is how is that possible, for someone that writes for guitarist

BintyTwanger77

@Dungus ;Imagine being so dad-rock that you can't grasp a genre which first came about a quarter of a century ago.

Sassafras

Cookiemonster said:

Ive said before. But for me Dan is cool. Mick while being a good player. Is annoying, never seems to know anything, including not knowing  as he said in a recent episode,What an echorec was/is how is that possible, for someone that writes for guitarist

Have you read Guitarist recently?

BintyTwanger77

NB. My last comment was not intended to be a dig at rock. Or dads.

Grunfeld

Just watched it.
Two fat old farts who don't get it.

professorben

Grunfeld said:

Just watched it.
Two fat old farts who don't get it.

I'm sure at least Mick is married?

mellowsun

C'mon all today's YouTube-savvy young guitarists are into Clapton, Page and Young, this is why they can safely mock shoegaze

hotpickups

Wow one can really feel the love in this room

Teetonetal

Cookiemonster said:

Ive said before. But for me Dan is cool. Mick while being a good player. Is annoying, never seems to know anything, including not knowing  as he said in a recent episode,What an echorec was/is how is that possible, for someone that writes for guitarist

Mick is playing a dumbed down role in these. He is the "punter" and Dan is the guru. These are clearly Dan's gig.

Dungus

BintyTwanger77 said:

@Dungus ;;Imagine being so dad-rock that you can't grasp a genre which first came about a quarter of a century ago.

Haha! Yep. We're not exactly talking about a cutting edge new genre for todays impressionable youth. Although I wouldn't put it past TPS to do an R&B / Hip Hop episode, with backwards caps, throwing up gang signs and 10 minutes of staring at each other trying not to giggle themselves silly.

professorben

Dungus said:

BintyTwanger77 said:

@Dungus ;;Imagine being so dad-rock that you can't grasp a genre which first came about a quarter of a century ago.

Haha! Yep. We're not exactly talking about a cutting edge new genre for todays impressionable youth. Although I wouldn't put it past TPS to do an R&B / Hip Hop episode, with backwards caps, throwing up gang signs and 10 minutes of staring at each other trying not to giggle themselves silly.

I for one would watch that. 

professorben

How about a series of decade specific tone sessions?

50's Slapback and Early Rock n Roll
60's Wah, Fuzz and Tape Delay  psychedelia 
70's Heavier Rock and early Metal
80's Studio Tones and New Wave
90's Grunge and Alt Rock
00's New Metal and beyond. 

Take a few genre defining albums of each era and nail the tones using contemporary pedals. 

A bit like 'Sounds Like' by Andertons but Waaaaaay more Anal and nerdy. 

Heartfeltdawn

Dungus said:

absolutpepper said:

DesVegas said:

I saw an interview with Ride last night where they say Kevin Shields said despite the size of his board he only really uses a compressor

https://reverb.com/uk/news/reverb-soundcheck-ride

ps i thought reverb before fuzz was THE way to make the shoegaze
pps not seen the video yet though
ppps how you doing? you having a good day?

Oooh i'll need to watch that.  I've seen MBV a couple of times and theres defo more than amp sounds and compression going on there.  I guess he may not use all the board all the time but his sound is still heavily effected.  He definitely uses a looper in the holocaust section of You Made Me Realise.  I know that in the studio there weren't many effects aside from the gated reverse reverb in the Yamaha SPX90 then the rest was compression and EQ...but live is a totally different story as far as I could tell (it was blow your ears off loud after all).

Considering one of their most famous songs is an acoustic into a Vorg Warp Sound, I'd say there's definitely more going on than a compressor. For a band that almost bankrupted their label and took a week to record a tambourine part, you can bet that, while there might not be tons of effects used (distortion pedal, alesis reverse reverb.. and go! etc.), they would have pored over those recordings and perfected them to within an inch of their lives. I truly believe the guitar part on To Here Knows When to be one of the most simply effective and incredibly recorded parts in indie rock history, definitive of a genre that has lasted for 30 years.

The basics of the MBV sound are really easy. I think people focus far too much on the stompboxes and not enough on the rack units, namely the Midiverb II and the SPX90. For example, when you go with the reverse gate on the SPX90 but add in some onboard distortion, you realise that the onboard distortion gets very much into MBV territory and it's pretty compressed. The quality of the A/D isn't great on both units but it has a character all its own, much like the Deluxe Memory Man has its own unique charm. 

BBBlues

Can someone recommend some shoegaze-type must listen to albums. I'm trying to pull myself out of that ignorant dad blues type.

BintyTwanger77

BBBlues said:

Can someone recommend some shoegaze-type must listen to albums. I'm trying to pull myself out of that ignorant dad blues type.

My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Everything, Loveless, both essential listening 
Ride - Nowhere, Going Blank Again
Slowdive - Souvlaki
Chapterhouse - Whirlpool, Blood Music

I'd say also the first Verve EPs and their debut album are incredible and within that genre, and Medicine are also worth a listen.

VJIves

...and if you want a taste of how other genres continue to appropriate Shoegaze elements today, try Deafheaven's Sunbather, White Hot Moon by Pity Sex, or Tired of Tomorrow by The Nothing.

DesVegas

My favourite example of the genre is Polar Bear by Ride @BBBlues ;

BBBlues

Thanks guys, will add these to a playlist this week.