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  • What's best E or G? I don't understand the difference? Does sound nice!
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 7352
    edited December 2018
    I'd go for E.  They're both nice but most people I'm aware of end up using the E over the G.  The EQ on the E can switch the shelves to bells which makes it a bit more versatile.
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  • I really like their Console N (Neve) plugin as well.
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  • I'd go for E.  They're both nice but most people I'm aware of end up using the E over the G.  The EQ on the E can switch the shelves to bells which makes it a bit more versatile.
    Cool, thank you!

    I had a trial of the Neve, I may buy that one day. Though they're good deals, I'm finding it hard to draw a line under the spending...it's like a whole new world of cool things to explore! :-)
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 19961
    What's best E or G? I don't understand the difference? Does sound nice!
    I might be able to help here (ex-SSL employee).

    I'm going to talk about the consoles, specifically the 9000k where you could choose between E and G series EQ, rather than the plugins that emulate the consoles, but you can take this as being roughly equivalent for the various plugin emulations that exist, including the SSL Native plugins.

    The shelving curves will overshoot/undershoot (for boosting or cutting, respectively) below the  HF frequency or above the  LF frequency. 

    Pressing the E button removes the overshoot/undershoot effect and provides a slightly gentler slope. 

    Normally, at any Q setting, the bandwidth of the HMF and LMF sections varies with gain, whereby an increase in boost or cut increases the selectivity of the EQ. This type of EQ can sound effective when used at moderate settings; the gentle Q curve lends itself to the application of overall EQ on combined sources and subtle corrective adjustments to instruments and vocals.

    With an E series EQ , the bandwidth of the HMF and LMF sections remains consistent at all gain levels, so at lower gain the EQ curves are narrower for a given Q setting.

    This generally sounds brilliant on drums but is not as useful for subtle EQ or EQing an entire mix. as you'd need to adjust the Q to maintain the same effect when the gain is altered.

    When you are fully boosting or cutting then there isn't much of a difference (or any IIRC), but it comes down to how you wish to use the EQ.
    My rule of thumb is for subtle or mix bus EQ I use a G, for drums, bass and vocals I tend to use an E.
    There are exceptions to this, of course and before the 9k came out people did entire mixes with one or the other (because they owned an E or G series console).

    The Brainworx plugins sound very fine indeed- I own them and I use them but IMHO the UA plugins absolutely smoke it in terms of sounding like the original.

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  • octatonic said:
    What's best E or G? I don't understand the difference? Does sound nice!
    I might be able to help here (ex-SSL employee).

    I'm going to talk about the consoles, specifically the 9000k where you could choose between E and G series EQ, rather than the plugins that emulate the consoles, but you can take this as being roughly equivalent for the various plugin emulations that exist, including the SSL Native plugins.

    The shelving curves will overshoot/undershoot (for boosting or cutting, respectively) below the  HF frequency or above the  LF frequency. 

    Pressing the E button removes the overshoot/undershoot effect and provides a slightly gentler slope. 

    Normally, at any Q setting, the bandwidth of the HMF and LMF sections varies with gain, whereby an increase in boost or cut increases the selectivity of the EQ. This type of EQ can sound effective when used at moderate settings; the gentle Q curve lends itself to the application of overall EQ on combined sources and subtle corrective adjustments to instruments and vocals.

    With an E series EQ , the bandwidth of the HMF and LMF sections remains consistent at all gain levels, so at lower gain the EQ curves are narrower for a given Q setting.

    This generally sounds brilliant on drums but is not as useful for subtle EQ or EQing an entire mix. as you'd need to adjust the Q to maintain the same effect when the gain is altered.

    When you are fully boosting or cutting then there isn't much of a difference (or any IIRC), but it comes down to how you wish to use the EQ.
    My rule of thumb is for subtle or mix bus EQ I use a G, for drums, bass and vocals I tend to use an E.
    There are exceptions to this, of course and before the 9k came out people did entire mixes with one or the other (because they owned an E or G series console).

    The Brainworx plugins sound very fine indeed- I own them and I use them but IMHO the UA plugins absolutely smoke it in terms of sounding like the original.

    Superb, as always, mate, thank you.
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  • octatonic said:
    What's best E or G? I don't understand the difference? Does sound nice!

    The Brainworx plugins sound very fine indeed- I own them and I use them but IMHO the UA plugins absolutely smoke it in terms of sounding like the original.

    Also, would this matter if I've never heard of used the original? Or would it matter regardless, if the BX stuff sounds good?
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 19961
    edited December 2018
    No worries, happy to help.

    I have a couple of SSL 611 500 series hardware EQ's in my rack that I love on the OH's, try a couple of db of HF boost on any nice sounding OH, or on room mics.
    They are excellent, even in plugin form.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 19961
    octatonic said:
    What's best E or G? I don't understand the difference? Does sound nice!

    The Brainworx plugins sound very fine indeed- I own them and I use them but IMHO the UA plugins absolutely smoke it in terms of sounding like the original.

    Also, would this matter if I've never heard of used the original? Or would it matter regardless, if the BX stuff sounds good?
    Hard to say- I cannot personally split what I know about the hardware, especially the current hardware mixers (Matrix, AWS, Duality), from how I have used them.

    If you want the 'closet to hardware' emulation of the SSL E/G then UA nails it.

    But imho a lot of how you use the hardware comes down to the physical interaction with the hardware.
    I know no one here is going to go out and buy a 60k+ mixer so the plugins are good enough for most people, maybe almost all people.

    At the price of the Brainworx though you'd struggle to do better without going for the UA DSP platform.

    Have you looked at all at the SSL Native bundle?
    There is a subscription now through Gobbler.
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  • Well I gave the Brainworx Console E plugin a go, and it was quite easy to dial in a reasonable drum sound. But I also felt that it needed a little more processing after I was done - some surgical stuff.

    So I guess what I would say is.... regardless of who you guy a 'console' plugin from, don't expect it to be a one-size-fits-all solution and don't expect it to cure everything magically. They still take work. And if you're not used to working on a console then they might be more confusing than individual plugs.

    I'll also say that I didn't notice any real harmonic benefits from the Brainworx plugin - whereas with the Slate Digital Console Collection stuff, I do hear a harmonic difference, and I consider it to be a benefit.

    I'm not sure about the UA ones. I should try them I suppose.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 19961
    Well I gave the Brainworx Console E plugin a go, and it was quite easy to dial in a reasonable drum sound. But I also felt that it needed a little more processing after I was done - some surgical stuff.

    So I guess what I would say is.... regardless of who you guy a 'console' plugin from, don't expect it to be a one-size-fits-all solution and don't expect it to cure everything magically. They still take work. And if you're not used to working on a console then they might be more confusing than individual plugs.

    I'll also say that I didn't notice any real harmonic benefits from the Brainworx plugin - whereas with the Slate Digital Console Collection stuff, I do hear a harmonic difference, and I consider it to be a benefit.

    I'm not sure about the UA ones. I should try them I suppose.
    Agree.
    Slate's overall sound is much more 'upfront' than the actual hardware.
    Not a criticism, just an observation.

    I don't think I do much surgical EQ with the console plugins- they are more 'musical' in nature.

    For surgical EQ then there are really only three things I go for, Fabfilter Pro Q, DMG Audio EQuilibrium and Massenburg MDWEQ.
    Most of the time it is Fabfilter- it is crazy good and virtually invisible.
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  • JAYJOJAYJO Frets: 942
    Nice one ive grabbed this. Toontrack having one day everyday for a week sale. Today is midi drum grooves Hard Rock 64% off. you can get it for 9 euro  (£8.10.)
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    Nice one ive grabbed this. Toontrack having one day everyday for a week sale. Today is midi drum grooves Hard Rock 64% off. you can get it for 9 euro  (£8.10.)
    Thank you for this, I like Rival Sons, this could come in handy!
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 7352
    edited December 2018
    octatonic said:
    Well I gave the Brainworx Console E plugin a go, and it was quite easy to dial in a reasonable drum sound. But I also felt that it needed a little more processing after I was done - some surgical stuff.

    So I guess what I would say is.... regardless of who you guy a 'console' plugin from, don't expect it to be a one-size-fits-all solution and don't expect it to cure everything magically. They still take work. And if you're not used to working on a console then they might be more confusing than individual plugs.

    I'll also say that I didn't notice any real harmonic benefits from the Brainworx plugin - whereas with the Slate Digital Console Collection stuff, I do hear a harmonic difference, and I consider it to be a benefit.

    I'm not sure about the UA ones. I should try them I suppose.
    Agree.
    Slate's overall sound is much more 'upfront' than the actual hardware.
    Not a criticism, just an observation.

    I don't think I do much surgical EQ with the console plugins- they are more 'musical' in nature.

    For surgical EQ then there are really only three things I go for, Fabfilter Pro Q, DMG Audio EQuilibrium and Massenburg MDWEQ.
    Most of the time it is Fabfilter- it is crazy good and virtually invisible.

    I like using a console plugin sometimes because I don't get distracted by visuals at all.

    The issue I have with FF is I can sometimes get led by my eyes.

    I'd like to pick up DMG Equillibrium at some point, I actually preferred it to Pro Q2 when I demoed it but couldn't justify buying it already owning Pro Q2...  It's simple, but the fact you can have a knob layout at the bottom makes it easier for me.  Sometimes Pro Q2 can be a little fiddly to select certain EQ points depending on what's going on in the GUI.
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  • Fabfilter 25% off bundles until 1st January - https://www.fabfilter.com/shop/

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  • JAYJOJAYJO Frets: 942
    EZkeys midi  jazz ballads now 9 euro. Toontrack.
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  • For anyone subscribed to this thread who missed the Acoustica Audio free plugin deal thread, like I did...
    http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/comment/2096019
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  • JAYJOJAYJO Frets: 942
    edited December 2018
    EZ mix pack  blues Guitar now 15 euro.  toontrack.
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    EZ keys Boogie midi pack 9 euro today. Toontrack.
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  • Audiority Xenoverb under a tenner at the moment - https://www.pluginboutique.com/products/3780-XenoVerb
    Just tried it and it reminds me of some of the cool stuff the Big Sky can do, for a few hundred quid more! Highly recommend it!
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  • Audiority Xenoverb under a tenner at the moment - https://www.pluginboutique.com/products/3780-XenoVerb
    Just tried it and it reminds me of some of the cool stuff the Big Sky can do, for a few hundred quid more! Highly recommend it!
    this thread is costing me a fortune
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  • BranshenBranshen Frets: 965
    Audiority Xenoverb under a tenner at the moment - https://www.pluginboutique.com/products/3780-XenoVerb
    Just tried it and it reminds me of some of the cool stuff the Big Sky can do, for a few hundred quid more! Highly recommend it!
    Thanks. Got it! Love the layout of the interface, which makes sense to me as a guitar player. I don't think I'll ever be able to justify a bigsky so this will have to do.

    Does anyone know how this compares to the valhalla vintage verb?
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 11891
    Branshen said:
    Audiority Xenoverb under a tenner at the moment - https://www.pluginboutique.com/products/3780-XenoVerb
    Just tried it and it reminds me of some of the cool stuff the Big Sky can do, for a few hundred quid more! Highly recommend it!
    Thanks. Got it! Love the layout of the interface, which makes sense to me as a guitar player. I don't think I'll ever be able to justify a bigsky so this will have to do.

    Does anyone know how this compares to the valhalla vintage verb?
    Not quite as flexible as VVV in my book. VVV can get much cleaner than Xenoverb. As a fan of Midiverbs and SPX90s and that whole era of crunchy digital reverb, Xenoverb at that price was an instant buy. 
    Clarity over quantity.  
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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 3691
    Not a mega mega deal by any stretch but IK Multimedia are doing a sale at the moment (not sure how much longer as it's billed as a festive season sale) and also gave account holders 30 "jam points" (basically 30EU credits) which can also be used to get more off. I just got the EQual, Dyna-Mu and a couple of others for 60EU. They are by no means cheap when compared to the likes of Waves' insane deals, but I really like some of their emu's (emulations, fool, not the birds...)
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  • Cirrus said:
    Not a mega mega deal by any stretch but IK Multimedia are doing a sale at the moment (not sure how much longer as it's billed as a festive season sale) and also gave account holders 30 "jam points" (basically 30EU credits) which can also be used to get more off. I just got the EQual, Dyna-Mu and a couple of others for 60EU. They are by no means cheap when compared to the likes of Waves' insane deals, but I really like some of their emu's (emulations, fool, not the birds...)
    if nothing else you can download Amplitube Custom Shop and buy the Fender spring reverb with the jam points. I think its the best spring plugin ive ever tried
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4393
    Cirrus said:
    Not a mega mega deal by any stretch but IK Multimedia are doing a sale at the moment (not sure how much longer as it's billed as a festive season sale) and also gave account holders 30 "jam points" (basically 30EU credits) which can also be used to get more off. I just got the EQual, Dyna-Mu and a couple of others for 60EU. They are by no means cheap when compared to the likes of Waves' insane deals, but I really like some of their emu's (emulations, fool, not the birds...)
    if nothing else you can download Amplitube Custom Shop and buy the Fender spring reverb with the jam points. I think its the best spring plugin ive ever tried
    Looked like they changed the model, now you can pay a maximum percentage in jam points...which means to use up all my jam points even on custom shop credits would cost me like £100 or something. 
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