Ebay tale of woe.......returned pedal n refund.

JookyChap

Branshen said:

JookyChap said:

I have had one too recently - sold a body in October to a guy abroad, and heard no more. A week ago he raises a case saying he never received it. I got in touch with the courier, who apparently only keep records for 12 weeks, so stuffed basically.

Jooks,

Surely leaving it for so long disallows him from asking for a refund? 12 weeks is way more than enough time to realise something has gone missing. 

I must admit I thought so - but it went to customer services or  whatever they are called and they refunded him and no arguing.

On a more positive note, now I've read this thread I'm going to kidnap and waterboard his children, flay his beagle live over Skype so he can watch it and email him a trojan to download a shedfull of kiddy porn and report him to his local constabulary.

Fairs fair

JohnPerry

It has always been utterly absurd that you can only leave + feedback for a buyer. Buyers' responsibility for not acting like a tool doesn't end the moment they pay in full by PayPal, as all these examples illustrate. I recently had my feedback blotted by an insane woman who claimed i overcharged for postage on a coat i sold her. She loved the coat, but from her feedback record she also loved casually leaving neg feedback for people she thought had overcharged her. As it was i had the postage receipt (i paid £3 more than the advertised postage), scanned it in and emailed it to eBay. By this time the buyer was gloating over email over how they wouldn't help and I didn't have a prayer. In the end eBay scrapped her feedback and I sent her a gloater back. Silly cow.

dano

JohnPerry;162985" said:

In the end eBay scrapped her feedback and I sent her a gloater back. Silly cow.

You've still got her address so you can always post her a turd in a box

UnclePsychosis

57Deluxe;162825" said:

I have had loads of these divots to the point where I have burned out all the possible ebay accounts I can use and so can no longer sell on there.

Even if selling stuff off of eBid or eCrater or anything that uses Paypal, then you get issues.

One thing I have found that is great to retaliate with is Google and Google Maps. Is quite useful getting a 'lie of the land'. One guy bought a DVD Tutorial from me for a Roland Synth. I also advertised a Resources Kit as a separate entity but he complained he never got that with his DVD - I said - is cos you didn't buy that... So he launches a case etc etc... of course typically they get their refund but NEVER send the stuff back... So I mentioned I knew where he lived and the school his little girl went to etc etc... how did I know? In the google map shot of his house were two pairs of wellies on front door step and one pair were a younguns in pink... Google Mapped up the road - school... then cross ref'd his FBook page - found also that he ran a bar in town... I also screengrabbed all his FB Friends so they could be contacted... he pulled the claim...

If you pulled a stunt like that with me I'd be straight onto the police.

What kind of weirdo makes odd threats about "knowing where your kid goes to school" over a dvd sale on eBay?

ragingben

I sold a pair of old EL34 on the bay, marked clearly as untested sold as seem and a buy it now price that reflected that, this lad buys them then claims the advertising was wrong because when he ran them through his tester the ratings didn't match the boxes I sent them in, which were just ones I had lying around. Had to pay postage at least one way, but if I remember correctly PayPal took the return postage too. Needless to say I was out of pocket and pretty agitated. At least you got a guvnor back out of it though!

57Deluxe

UnclePsychosis said:

<SNIP>

If you pulled a stunt like that with me I'd be straight onto the police.

What kind of weirdo makes odd threats about "knowing where your kid goes to school" over a dvd sale on eBay?

...a pissed off with having the Piss taken one!

Adam_MD

UnclePsychosis said:

57Deluxe;162825" said:

I have had loads of these divots to the point where I have burned out all the possible ebay accounts I can use and so can no longer sell on there.

Even if selling stuff off of eBid or eCrater or anything that uses Paypal, then you get issues.

One thing I have found that is great to retaliate with is Google and Google Maps. Is quite useful getting a 'lie of the land'. One guy bought a DVD Tutorial from me for a Roland Synth. I also advertised a Resources Kit as a separate entity but he complained he never got that with his DVD - I said - is cos you didn't buy that... So he launches a case etc etc... of course typically they get their refund but NEVER send the stuff back... So I mentioned I knew where he lived and the school his little girl went to etc etc... how did I know? In the google map shot of his house were two pairs of wellies on front door step and one pair were a younguns in pink... Google Mapped up the road - school... then cross ref'd his FBook page - found also that he ran a bar in town... I also screengrabbed all his FB Friends so they could be contacted... he pulled the claim...

If you pulled a stunt like that with me I'd be straight onto the police.

What kind of weirdo makes odd threats about "knowing where your kid goes to school" over a dvd sale on eBay?

Bringing peoples kids into it is just creepy and wrong.  I'd have gone to the police as well.

matone

The Ebay/paypal rules set up sellers to be royally rodgered imho,wouldn`t sell anything of value on there now,especially if parts could be replaced etc.

Chuffola

@57Deluxe. What you did is horrendous. Creepy beyond belief. No matter what the provocation, that is just so wrong.

JayGee

Adam_MD said:

UnclePsychosis said:

If you pulled a stunt like that with me I'd be straight onto the police.

What kind of weirdo makes odd threats about "knowing where your kid goes to school" over a dvd sale on eBay?

Bringing peoples kids into it is just creepy and wrong.  I'd have gone to the police as well.

Easily avoided by not trying to rip people off on low value transactions in the first place...

Adam_MD

JayGee said:

Adam_MD said:

UnclePsychosis said:

If you pulled a stunt like that with me I'd be straight onto the police.

What kind of weirdo makes odd threats about "knowing where your kid goes to school" over a dvd sale on eBay?

Bringing peoples kids into it is just creepy and wrong.  I'd have gone to the police as well.

Easily avoided by not trying to rip people off on low value transactions in the first place...

I'm not defending the ass from ebay.  I just find it repugnant that 57Deluxe would involve the guys kid.  Not cool.  

57Deluxe

Adam_MD said:

JayGee said:

Adam_MD said:

UnclePsychosis said:

If you pulled a stunt like that with me I'd be straight onto the police.

What kind of weirdo makes odd threats about "knowing where your kid goes to school" over a dvd sale on eBay?

Bringing peoples kids into it is just creepy and wrong.  I'd have gone to the police as well.

Easily avoided by not trying to rip people off on low value transactions in the first place...

I'm not defending the ass from ebay.  I just find it repugnant that 57Deluxe would involve the guys kid.  Not cool.  

You are all jumping to too many conclusions... it wasn't ebay - he was abusing the system via Paypal - I wasn't ripping him off - he was ripping me off... and it just goes to show how sensitive people are to the mention of kids... I just mentioned the wellies in his Google Map - not threats or inference... and anyway - this thread is about not letting bad ebayers etc take the piss...

ICBM

What you did could be construed as being intended as a threat and hence is a criminal offence, no matter that you thought he was trying to rip you off. Lucky he didn't take it to the police… especially as you did it via email and hence there would have been evidence. Saying "I know where you live" (obvious anyway since you posted him the stuff) is one thing, mentioning his kid and the school is a clear attempt to intimidate.

ragingben

@57Deluxe I understand the paypal/eBay rage, but it was a step too far with the wellies thing... Or looking his house up in the first place. Surely just mentioning them is a threat implicitly? That's not saying you were going to drive down there and go psycho, but how is he to know that? We, and by that I mean the vast majority of the population, are sensitive about kids simply because there is nothing more serious to be sensitive about. Anything that can be taken as a threat to any child regardless of who or where they are, or what their parents may have done offends me deeply.

Adolfhipster

No returns on everything sold on eBay. Easy.

JookyChap

Adolfhipster said:

No returns on everything sold on eBay. Easy.

Yeah, I do that - but if the buyer says it is not as described or damaged, they screw you anyway..

Chuffola

57Deluxe said:

 I just mentioned the wellies in his Google Map - not threats or inference...

Didn't you mention you knew where his child went to school?  If so, why if not a threat?

I agree with @Adam_MD - not defending the ebay/ paypal idiot but I am stunned at your surprise that any of us felt (at the least) uncomfortable with mentioning the kid.

Not cool at all. In fact, appalling behaviour and I'm surprised you felt comfortable telling us all on a guitar forum. 

However, back on topic...

I haven't sold anything on ebay for an age purely because of the tales of unwarranted refunds etc that I hear from others. Pity. 

ICBM

Adolfhipster said:

No returns on everything sold on eBay. Easy.

Easy if you want to put off quite a lot of potential buyers who don't know the rules, and have some of the others who do know the rules force a refund anyway.

Adam_MD

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However, back on topic...

I haven't sold anything on ebay for an age purely because of the tales of unwarranted refunds etc that I hear from others. Pity. [/quote]

I'm with you on this @Chuffola, I'll buy from Ebay but only really sell on gumtree. It reduces the amount of people I can sell to but at least I know it's harder to get totally screwed.

Fortheloveofguitar

Just removed my Wellies from my front door mat and all my friends from Facebook.

Kids will be changing schools in due course too.