Saturday Wedding Gig, €2K sounds a bit steep....

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  • ash96 said:
    Also with everyone saying 'Wedding' is the magic word to charge more, of course it is! My main job is playing weddings and we're a high paid band on a high agency where with agents fees, VAT, travel etc we probably end up costing the client £1600-1800 for a lot of our gigs.

    The reason top wedding bands charge a lot, and people pay it, is because people want the night to be perfect. Weddings are a stressful event for a band, its not like rocking up at the pub and playing what you want and if people like it its a bonus. You've gotta get the balance of getting everything the client wants, as well as keeping everyone on the Dancefloor and entertained. you're out the house for 10-12 hours minimum most of the time, sometimes more. In that fee you get all out gear (probably looking at £20k all in including PA and instruments). You're also getting the reliability.

    We've had people message us saying their bands pulled out 2 weeks before so they need a replacement, and when we've sent over a price, they've said 'oh thats too much, we were only paying the other band £500' and thats usually the answer. Obviously having done it for 5 or so years, the stress goes down as you know how to plan everything and you get used to the long days.

    A crap wedding band can ruin the night, just like a great one can make it. The whole day leads up to the big party at the end.

    The feedback questions the clients get sent include 'Did you feel the band were value for money?' and we always get a yes 10/10 because we make sure were live up to the price tag, perform well, entertain the crowd and do everything we need to.
    So much wisdom in this post.
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  • HapijoelHapijoel Frets: 5
    Thats £50 per hour, per person for a days work, with their own gear and travel included. Seems fair to me.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 12053
    I've just hired a band for a corporate event next year .. they'll play for 1.5 hours after the meal so people can dance. The cost is £3.5K - there are five people in the band. They are very professional and excellent musicians.

    And a friend of mine is a top wedding photographer - he charges from £3.5K to £6k depending on what people want and has charged £10K.
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  • TrotterTrotter Frets: 470
    You should see some of the fees named artists can charge for a function/wedding whatever! a friend had a known UK grime artist perform at his office's chrimbo party. £38k for 20mins! just the artist and a microphone.. no band, just a backing track.. to be fair the artist is very well known. 


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  • BRISTOL86BRISTOL86 Frets: 699
    edited October 13
    As someone who has dabbled in wedding photography, you certainly couldn't pay me to get back into it for 1,000EUR a time. Not a chance. 

    A good photographer will have more than one meeting with the couple before the day, one or more trips to the venue in advance, a frantic and stressful (and long) day and then considerable volumes of work after the event. 

    I reckon on average, the total time investment per wedding for me was c. 50 hours per wedding. So 20EUR an hour before expenses and tax.

    No thanks. 
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  • MayneheadMaynehead Frets: 961
    We paid over a grand for our photographer and another £800 for videographer, and thought we got a good deal.

    Sounds like perfectly normal prices to me.

    As for the band... we just did someone's wedding for free the other week. Otherwise we would have charged about 500 quid max. 2 grand sounds a bit ridiculous to me...
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  • Trotter said:
    You should see some of the fees named artists can charge for a function/wedding whatever! a friend had a known UK grime artist perform at his office's chrimbo party. £38k for 20mins! just the artist and a microphone.. no band, just a backing track.. to be fair the artist is very well known. 

    @Trotter ;

    Have you seen that 'list' that did the rounds a few years ago?  Think it was from 2014, but it gives an idea.  

    https://priceonomics.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-book-your-favorite-band/
















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  • TrotterTrotter Frets: 470
    @guitarfishbay a lot of people out there with a lot of money to throw about. 

     
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2128
    Maynehead said:
    We paid over a grand for our photographer and another £800 for videographer, and thought we got a good deal.

    Sounds like perfectly normal prices to me.

    As for the band... we just did someone's wedding for free the other week. Otherwise we would have charged about 500 quid max. 2 grand sounds a bit ridiculous to me...

    A wedding is not a corporate event so prices charged should reflect that.

    Travel of 50Km+ changes the dynamic, the charge ought to reflect this. In our area there are several decent bands all within 15Km yet they charge as if they have to drive down from Belfast. They have their own PA - looks like an attempt to make a lot of money for a half days playing. As @Maynehead said, €500 is decent payment for what is two one hour slots.

    But the band costs pale into insignificance in comparison to photography charges. A friend of mine  is heavily into photography and is a member of the local photography club. He asked a friend and fellow member of that club to take the photographs at his daughters wedding. He was charged full professional rates for the day. Friendship over or as good as. What is wrong with helping out a friend on the day, knowing the favour will be returned sometime in the future? By all means pay something for travel, camera batteries, SD cards etc. But.....

    Such ridiculous charges were normal in boom time Ireland. The practice became known as ' rip off Ireland'. Saddens me to think this happens all over the place.
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • BRISTOL86BRISTOL86 Frets: 699
    Rocker said:
    Maynehead said:
    We paid over a grand for our photographer and another £800 for videographer, and thought we got a good deal.

    Sounds like perfectly normal prices to me.

    As for the band... we just did someone's wedding for free the other week. Otherwise we would have charged about 500 quid max. 2 grand sounds a bit ridiculous to me...

    A wedding is not a corporate event so prices charged should reflect that.

    Travel of 50Km+ changes the dynamic, the charge ought to reflect this. In our area there are several decent bands all within 15Km yet they charge as if they have to drive down from Belfast. They have their own PA - looks like an attempt to make a lot of money for a half days playing. As @Maynehead said, €500 is decent payment for what is two one hour slots.

    But the band costs pale into insignificance in comparison to photography charges. A friend of mine  is heavily into photography and is a member of the local photography club. He asked a friend and fellow member of that club to take the photographs at his daughters wedding. He was charged full professional rates for the day. Friendship over or as good as. What is wrong with helping out a friend on the day, knowing the favour will be returned sometime in the future? By all means pay something for travel, camera batteries, SD cards etc. But.....

    Such ridiculous charges were normal in boom time Ireland. The practice became known as ' rip off Ireland'. Saddens me to think this happens all over the place.
    Did he edit the photos after and provide a complete professional service to the couple? If so you're talking 30-50 hours work depending how much effort he put in. 

    Would you honestly work 30+ hours free labour for a mate? Maybe I'm a stingy git but that's a big expectation.
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 6031
    edited October 13
    Trotter said:
    @guitarfishbay a lot of people out there with a lot of money to throw about.  

    True.

    @rocker

    500 Euros is not a livable rate for a band doing weddings professionally. Professional prices should pay a livable wage. A wedding band typically can only do a few nights a week tops and the demand can be seasonal. They need to practice, buy and maintain equipment, travel, not to mention eat food and have somewhere to live. At 500 Euros that puts it into hobby secondary income territory, it’s just not livable when split multiple ways and sporadic.

    By all means don’t pay for something you don’t think is worth it but by the same token 2k is not a shameful price to request at all in the context of the wedding industry.
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 2951
    I did a corporate gig with Jimmy Carr once, some posh estate agent awards in London. My band got £1600 for 2 sets, he got 44K for announcing the nominees  \  winners and told a few blow job jokes. He was on over a thousand pounds a minute by my reckoning !
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  • jpfampsjpfamps Frets: 1073
    Rocker said:
    Maynehead said:
    We paid over a grand for our photographer and another £800 for videographer, and thought we got a good deal.

    Sounds like perfectly normal prices to me.

    As for the band... we just did someone's wedding for free the other week. Otherwise we would have charged about 500 quid max. 2 grand sounds a bit ridiculous to me...

    A wedding is not a corporate event so prices charged should reflect that.

    Travel of 50Km+ changes the dynamic, the charge ought to reflect this. In our area there are several decent bands all within 15Km yet they charge as if they have to drive down from Belfast. They have their own PA - looks like an attempt to make a lot of money for a half days playing. As @Maynehead said, €500 is decent payment for what is two one hour slots.

    But the band costs pale into insignificance in comparison to photography charges. A friend of mine  is heavily into photography and is a member of the local photography club. He asked a friend and fellow member of that club to take the photographs at his daughters wedding. He was charged full professional rates for the day. Friendship over or as good as. What is wrong with helping out a friend on the day, knowing the favour will be returned sometime in the future? By all means pay something for travel, camera batteries, SD cards etc. But.....

    Such ridiculous charges were normal in boom time Ireland. The practice became known as ' rip off Ireland'. Saddens me to think this happens all over the place.
    Saddens you that musicians getting a reasonable days pay!

    €500 for a typical 5 piece band (not an unrealistic assumption) is €50 / per hour each for 2 x 1 hours assuming you only count the time that you are playing as part of the job. 

    Unfortunately it isn't.

    I've played loads of wedding, and they can be a long day. 

    You will almost always need to provide a PA (how much would that cost to hire?), set it up, sound check (this will often need to be done well in advance of playing as you don't want some one sound checking the drums during the speeches.

    After the gig you will have to break the gear down, load out etc.

    Typically you will be looking at a minimum of 5-6 hours out of your day, so this now becomes around €10 / hour.

    That's taking into account counting expenses: travel, PLI, equipment maintenance, strings, rehearsals (you do want a professional performance don't you?) etc

    I can assure you that most "wedding" bands are not having it away.


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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 12053



    Rocker said:
    Maynehead said:
    We paid over a grand for our photographer and another £800 for videographer, and thought we got a good deal.

    Sounds like perfectly normal prices to me.

    As for the band... we just did someone's wedding for free the other week. Otherwise we would have charged about 500 quid max. 2 grand sounds a bit ridiculous to me...

    A wedding is not a corporate event so prices charged should reflect that.

    What? I disagree.

    Wedding's are far more pressure for a band than a corporate bash - it's a special day for the bride and groom as well as their friends and family. A wedding band will generally have good gear, including a high-quality PA system, musical instruments and lighting. They need public liability insurance (a requirement of all UK wedding venues), equipment maintenance and Portable Appliance Testing of equipment. They will no doubt practice before the event and have to turn up early to setup, so its a long day.

    Funny how the bride might spend £1 to £2K on a dress but think a band only costs £500.

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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 408
    I think they've booked Elton John by mistake.
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  • jpfampsjpfamps Frets: 1073
    Fretwired said:



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    Funny how the bride might spend £1 to £2K on a dress but think a band only costs £500.

    Or a cake........
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  • hasslehamhassleham Frets: 95
    Fretwired said:
    I've just hired a band for a corporate event next year .. they'll play for 1.5 hours after the meal so people can dance. The cost is £3.5K - there are five people in the band. They are very professional and excellent musicians.

    And a friend of mine is a top wedding photographer - he charges from £3.5K to £6k depending on what people want and has charged £10K.
    Let me know if they back out and my band will come to the rescue ;)
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