Clarky and the Helix

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ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
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ok guys…
this thread is a lil' blog of my encounter with the Helix..

first observation is the weight: at 6.6kg this floor unit feels pretty solid..
surprisingly weighty
play every note as if it were your first
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 16239
    Did you buy one, or is it a loaner?
    I am the juice of four limes.
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 10328
    Did you buy one or just weigh it?
     :) 
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 4956
    Any sound clips?  What are you playing it through?  
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
    octatonic said:
    Did you buy one, or is it a loaner?
    been loaned it for a few weeks..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
    edited July 22

    Any sound clips?  What are you playing it through?  
    not even had the chance to power it up yet… been a busy weekend.. Sunday night though I'll hook it into my studio..

    tone I'm not worried about.. I'm expecting it to be good enough..
    the whole point of this exercise for me is to determine if it has the real-time control capabilities to replace my Axe-FX for gigs overseas..
    Here's my issue:

    guitar flight case = 30kg
    rack = 30kg
    contains 2 x Axe-FX, poweramp, power conditioner
    case = 20kg
    contains MFC-101 controller, 4 x Boss FV-500 pedals, cables, toothbrush, spare sock
    total = 3 items of luggage = 80kg = £££ with the airline = promoter not overly happy

    alternatives:
    1 - replace the big rack with a smaller one [1 x Axe-FX, power amp]
    still have guitar flight case and case with controllers
    2 - just a guitar flight case and a case containing: Helix, power amp, 3 x FV-500, fewer cables, toothbrush and sock]
    just 2 items of luggage at less than 60kg in total [hopefully]
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1342
    Is it not feasible to hire overseas?
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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 1120
    Is it not feasible to hire overseas?
    I'd have thought it tricky to get an Axe-Fx then have time to set it up etc
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 10328
    Could you not buy a toothbrush and sock while you're over there?
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 5894
    sweepy said:
    Is it not feasible to hire overseas?
    I'd have thought it tricky to get an Axe-Fx then have time to set it up etc
    I guess the only thing to do would be to contact Fractal and see if they do that kind of thing.

    In theory it'd take very little time to set up - you'd just take a backup of your unit and send that to the loaner via a laptop. Guess you could do this with any modern modeller thinking about it
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  • professorbenprofessorben Frets: 4095
    Just the one sock?

    Chilli Peppers tribute act is it?
    " Why does it smell of bum?" Mrs Professorben.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 8128
    edited July 23
    This thread needs renaming to Jamie and the Magic Torch.

    Or, Chorlton and the Wheelies
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  • grammargrammar Frets: 21
    Clarky said:

    Any sound clips?  What are you playing it through?  
    not even had the chance to power it up yet… been a busy weekend.. Sunday night though I'll hook it into my studio..

    tone I'm not worried about.. I'm expecting it to be good enough..
    the whole point of this exercise for me is to determine if it has the real-time control capabilities to replace my Axe-FX for gigs overseas..
    Here's my issue:

    guitar flight case = 30kg
    rack = 30kg
    contains 2 x Axe-FX, poweramp, power conditioner
    case = 20kg
    contains MFC-101 controller, 4 x Boss FV-500 pedals, cables, toothbrush, spare sock
    total = 3 items of luggage = 80kg = £££ with the airline = promoter not overly happy

    alternatives:
    1 - replace the big rack with a smaller one [1 x Axe-FX, power amp]
    still have guitar flight case and case with controllers
    2 - just a guitar flight case and a case containing: Helix, power amp, 3 x FV-500, fewer cables, toothbrush and sock]
    just 2 items of luggage at less than 60kg in total [hopefully]

    I went for option 2. Pelican case with Ax8 pedalboard, loom and backup mfx. Guitars in a Scott Dixon dual case that doubles as a stand.
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
    been reading the manual
    discovered snapshot..
    looks quick similar to a scene in the Axe-FX
    this will be useful

    finally got to powering it up.. pretty ain't it..

    I like the way you bank up / down, pick a preset and then it immediate switches to snapshot mode..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • Clarky said:

    I like the way you bank up / down, pick a preset and then it immediate switches to snapshot mode..
    That'd be really useful on the Axe Fx
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
    not doing anything spectacular..
    just learning to navigate the front panel
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
    Clarky said:

    I like the way you bank up / down, pick a preset and then it immediate switches to snapshot mode..
    That'd be really useful on the Axe Fx
    I user the MFC-101 in reveal mode always..
    top row set to call up presets 1 thru 5 [which I deem to be my 'performance area']
    mid row is so to specific fx
    front row is scenes 1 thru 5 + 2nd MIDI CC commands for control reasons
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
    editor installed and seems to be talking happily to the Helix..
    the edit is rather nice looking so far…

    only having two amps available in a preset will be a bit limiting..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 539
    Clarky said:
    editor installed and seems to be talking happily to the Helix..
    the edit is rather nice looking so far…

    only having two amps available in a preset will be a bit limiting..
    I thought that it's possible to have more than one amp in a preset. So there might be more than one amp in a path but the required amp can be selected in a snapshot, provided you don't run out of DSP.
    It's not a competition
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
    hmmm…. not getting on with the tone… particularly the highs..
    also the feel is a little stiff..
    gonna noodle around a see if I can do anything about this..
    that said...
    I've never been a fan of factory presets and that's all I've goofed with so far…
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2290
    Clarky said:
    editor installed and seems to be talking happily to the Helix..
    the edit is rather nice looking so far…

    only having two amps available in a preset will be a bit limiting..
    I thought that it's possible to have more than one amp in a preset. So there might be more than one amp in a path but the required amp can be selected in a snapshot, provided you don't run out of DSP.
    I've not tried any control stuff just yet..
    does this mean that I can switch amp type via snapshot?
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1342
    Clarky said:
    hmmm…. not getting on with the tone… particularly the highs..

    Try rolling everything off above about 6k in the global eq.

    Clarky said:
    I've never been a fan of factory presets and that's all I've goofed with so far…
    Yeah, they're not great. Try creating some of your own - it's very simple:


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  • hubobuloushubobulous Frets: 1875
    Snapshots can turn items on and off and also set specific parameters on any of those items. So amps can be turned on/off and when they're turned on, they can have any settings associated with that specific snapshot
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 4503
    Clarky said:
    editor installed and seems to be talking happily to the Helix..
    the edit is rather nice looking so far…

    only having two amps available in a preset will be a bit limiting..
    I'm sure you can have more than that? At least 2 on each path, no?
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  • siremoonsiremoon Frets: 446
    Clarky said:
    hmmm…. not getting on with the tone… particularly the highs..
    also the feel is a little stiff..
    gonna noodle around a see if I can do anything about this..
    that said...
    I've never been a fan of factory presets and that's all I've goofed with so far…
    The factory presets are universally terrible imo.  The best way is to put together a relatively simple patch, say amp, cab, and a couple of effects, play around with that and see how you go. 

    Personally I wouldn't use the global eq to tinker with the patches either.  I get my patches to how I want them with that switched off and then use it solely to make overall tweaks as required on a venue by venue basis.  Also I seem to recall that Global EQ gets reset on firmware updates so that's another reason to avoid relying on it in your patches.
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 539
    edited July 24
    Clarky said:
    editor installed and seems to be talking happily to the Helix..
    the edit is rather nice looking so far…

    only having two amps available in a preset will be a bit limiting..
    I'm sure you can have more than that? At least 2 on each path, no?
    In theory I think it might be 4 in parallel, subject to DSP load. Unfortunately I haven't got time to check today.

    @Clarky. Can I just check? Are you referring to the number of simultaneous amps in parallel, or the number of amps that could be included in a preset and switched in and out?
    It's not a competition
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  • duotoneduotone Frets: 148
    Would be interesting to know your thoughts if you do try playing it with headphones?
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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 1990
    Clarky said:
    editor installed and seems to be talking happily to the Helix..
    the edit is rather nice looking so far…

    only having two amps available in a preset will be a bit limiting..
    Hi Clarky
    The limitation is on DSP rather than a hard limit. you can have as many amps in a preset as you can fit in
    Some models are more intensive than others
    Top tip
    Run multiple heads through an IR is more efficient than amp and cab for everything. A dual Cab gives you two cabs in stereo so you can have a pair of 4x12s with different speakers and different mids. But obviously that takes more CPU than an IR
    Run the paths together to use both processors in a signal chain (there is almost no reason NOT to do this, you can still route multiple ins and outs)
    Most cabs like a roll off of up to 4.5K
    If you think it feels a bit stiff, increase the sag in the amp model, (I decrease it because I like it a bit more modern feeling (i.e. SS rectified) 


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  • TimmyOTimmyO Frets: 2490
    Cabicular said:
    Clarky said:
    editor installed and seems to be talking happily to the Helix..
    the edit is rather nice looking so far…

    only having two amps available in a preset will be a bit limiting..
    Hi Clarky
    The limitation is on DSP rather than a hard limit. you can have as many amps in a preset as you can fit in
    Some models are more intensive than others
    Top tip
    Run multiple heads through an IR is more efficient than amp and cab for everything. A dual Cab gives you two cabs in stereo so you can have a pair of 4x12s with different speakers and different mids. But obviously that takes more CPU than an IR
    Run the paths together to use both processors in a signal chain (there is almost no reason NOT to do this, you can still route multiple ins and outs)
    Most cabs like a roll off of up to 4.5K
    If you think it feels a bit stiff, increase the sag in the amp model, (I decrease it because I like it a bit more modern feeling (i.e. SS rectified) 



    It's been shown that in terms of DSP usage that a dual cab uses more (but not double) than a single cab, and that a single 2048 IR uses about the same as a single cab 
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 5894
    What's the slope if you're rolling to 4.5k? 

    And is that mostly for a live tone or are people typically rolling that low with recordings too?
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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 1990
    What's the slope if you're rolling to 4.5k? 

    And is that mostly for a live tone or are people typically rolling that low with recordings too?
    It depends a lot on what you are after but certainly I do that to most cab blocks in my patches (in chatting to Paul Hindmarsh he does it too) It also depends on what you are going through but I do roll that off in the XLR outs and when recording too
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