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Rift Amplification
Brackley, Northamptonshire
www.riftamps.co.uk
The Gold is, depending on who you ask, either exactly the same or totally different. I got a Cream a couple of weeks back, it's closer to the blue than the gold is.
Not tried the WGS stuff. Their ceramic models tend to be reported as smoother than the Celestion equivalents, which is either fantastic or muddy and useless depending on who you ask. And the Scumnico is supposedly very close to a vintage Celestion Alnico rather than the current blue, which sounds lovely on paper but they're so expensive to get here.
But nothing quite touches the Blue, if the blue is the sound you're after.
There's one in the classifieds for a good price just now. If I hadn't just got the Cream, I'd have jumped on it.
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Tayden are still going, contact them direct as I believe the fell out with lean business. Also they are making speakers for Supertone at the moment which are meant to be quite good.
https://store.supertonerecords.com/collections/frontpage
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Michael
Above is the Gold's published response. I don't put a lot of trust in these things, because two speakers with the same basic response curve can sound drastically different... but that spike at 10-15kHz is the issue, I think. Compare the above to the Blue;
That's, like, more than 25dB (!!) more at 15k.
"But Cirrus, guitars don't have much info up that high anyway!" You might exclaim.
And you're right. But 25dB is a lot. So I think if your tone has practically nothing going on up there, you'll hear the gold and think it's nice and alnico-ey, like the blue. If your amp is generating harmonics that high, you'll hear them as being about three times louder than with the blue and think the gold is fizzy/bright.
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I don't like the Gold - for me the more 'Blue' sounding high power alnico speaker is the Emi Red Fang. It's not the same, but it's VERY good indeed. It does require a lot of breaking in though - more than any Celestion I've owned.
(Disclaimer: I've not tried a Cream but I intend to at some point)
I thought the Gold sounded like an 'alnico V30' more than like a Blue. I put one - along with one original V30 - in my Trem-o-verb for a bit, and there was surprisingly little difference between them.
And perhaps not coincidentally, look at the response chart for the V30…
http://celestion.com/images/products/1/graph.gif
I tend not to pay too much attention to these either because to a large extent they all look like 'guitar speakers', which can sound very different from each other, but I think these more obviously identifiable similarities do mean something.
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"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
"Only two things are infinite - the universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein
If you've got the money, an original 60's Blue has still got something special. I love my Lazy J 20, but the former manager of Chandlers has an original Blue in his. I heard that and went looking on Ebay - until I saw the prices!
Whether there is anything genuinely different in the Construction of the 60's one, I don't know. It might just be that mine needs another 30 years of playing.
That's what I was told, anyway. As with all things, it could be complete bullshit.
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This is the G10 Vintage - which I think sounds very much like a 10" V30 - and sure enough it has the dip at about 1.8kHz.
http://celestion.com/images/products/30/graph.gif
All the other 10s do as well, with the odd exception of the 'Ten 30', although presumably that should have a peak at the 'shit' frequency...
"Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone." - Walt Kowalski
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My 2003 AC30TBX speakers were almost indistinguishable from the vintage examples I have bar being marginally louder. This gave the illusion of being slightly brighter when you're next to the amp - however recordings showed no real difference in tone.
I certainly wouldn't be seeking out a vintage example for a modern amp - not worth the money IMHO unless you're replacing in a vintage amp.