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  • All my acoustics are spruce/rosewood combinations; the 14 fret Forster has Brazillian rosewood
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  • Aha, thanks for the info :) well those two guitars in particular.. sound brilliant. 
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  • Tom: When going out trying and also after buying acoustics, the other thing to be aware of is string tension: each acoustic guitar is (intentionally or not) suited to a certain amount of tension on the top: so strings too tight or too loose will make a difference
    Most are fine with 11s, which I use, but I think some will need thicker strings to bring out the best sound (12s or 13s - always best to ask).
    Because I use 11s, when I drop the bottom E to D, it loses tension, and the tone, so I use thicker gauges for dropped strings when I use alternate tunings, or instead of DADGAD, I use one semitone up from DADGAD: which maintains roughly  the same overall tension on the top

    As a dramatic example of this, my tenor guitar (23 inch 4 string) arrived tuned CGDA, which is the standard tuning, the dedicated set for which is: D’addario J66 Bronze: 10, 14, 22, 32 (v. high tension on A and D). This set is so tight, that I broke 50% of the top 2 strings I fitted whilst tuning up for the first time (I never break any strings normally, I have electrics with the same strings on for years). In addition, the tension is so high that those 2 top strings are much louder than the 2 bass strings, and are very shrill and piercing, which could work well in a pub jam, but sounds pretty awful on its own. Changing to 32 / 20 / 12 / 8, the strings stop breaking, and it sounds better. However, it sounds much better tuned down 2 semitones to:  A# F C G (using 32/34, 22, 13, 10), much woodier and balanced

    Also, shops can't afford to restring acoustics frequently, so many on display have strings that have gone dull, so when trying out brands, keep an eye out for that. Some brands come with coated strings, so are more predictable, e.g. Taylor I think.
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  • I think this is my favourite thread of 2017

    As a consequence I currently have a lovely Avalon tuned in DAAEAE

    I like to have a few guitars left in different tunings, I find it very inspiring to just wing it with each of them, instead of playing in one tuning that I know well all the time.
    If it's good enough for Joni Mitchell....

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  • ThorpyFXThorpyFX Frets: 3542
    I think this is my favourite thread of 2017

    As a consequence I currently have a lovely Avalon tuned in DAAEAE

    I like to have a few guitars left in different tunings, I find it very inspiring to just wing it with each of them, instead of playing in one tuning that I know well all the time.
    If it's good enough for Joni Mitchell....

    Well thanks very much! I have used the info in this thread to great effect. I’ve ordered a custom 000 acoustic guitar that should be ready towards the end of 2018. I really can’t wait. 
    Adrian Thorpe MBE | Owner of ThorpyFx Ltd | Email: thorpy@thorpyfx.com | Twitter: @ThorpyFx | Facebook: ThorpyFx Ltd | Website: www.thorpyfx.com
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  • TimmyOTimmyO Frets: 2626
    ThorpyFX said:
    I think this is my favourite thread of 2017

    As a consequence I currently have a lovely Avalon tuned in DAAEAE

    I like to have a few guitars left in different tunings, I find it very inspiring to just wing it with each of them, instead of playing in one tuning that I know well all the time.
    If it's good enough for Joni Mitchell....

    Well thanks very much! I have used the info in this thread to great effect. I’ve ordered a custom 000 acoustic guitar that should be ready towards the end of 2018. I really can’t wait. 
    Tell us more! 
    "Congratulations on being officially the most right anyone has ever been about anything, ever." -- Noisepolluter knows the score
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  • ThorpyFX said:

     Well thanks very much! I have used the info in this thread to great effect. I’ve ordered a custom 000 acoustic guitar that should be ready towards the end of 2018. I really can’t wait. 
    Who's the maker? 

    Speak more of your commission!  What specs did you go for? 
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  • ThorpyFXThorpyFX Frets: 3542
    ThorpyFX said:

     Well thanks very much! I have used the info in this thread to great effect. I’ve ordered a custom 000 acoustic guitar that should be ready towards the end of 2018. I really can’t wait. 
    Who's the maker? 

    Speak more of your commission!  What specs did you go for? 
    I’ve gone for A UK made Brook Taw, macasssar ebony back and sides. Ebony Fretboard, ebony fascia.  The rest of tte details haven’t been fixed yet... cant wait though
    Adrian Thorpe MBE | Owner of ThorpyFx Ltd | Email: thorpy@thorpyfx.com | Twitter: @ThorpyFx | Facebook: ThorpyFx Ltd | Website: www.thorpyfx.com
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  • TimmyOTimmyO Frets: 2626
    ThorpyFX said:
    ThorpyFX said:

     Well thanks very much! I have used the info in this thread to great effect. I’ve ordered a custom 000 acoustic guitar that should be ready towards the end of 2018. I really can’t wait. 
    Who's the maker? 

    Speak more of your commission!  What specs did you go for? 
    I’ve gone for A UK made Brook Taw, macasssar ebony back and sides. Ebony Fretboard, ebony fascia.  The rest of tte details haven’t been fixed yet... cant wait though
    Them's nice - played a couple at Intersound Music - I'd happily have one! (I'd probably get a OM scale length) 
    "Congratulations on being officially the most right anyone has ever been about anything, ever." -- Noisepolluter knows the score
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  • ThorpyFX said:

     I’ve gone for A UK made Brook Taw, macasssar ebony back and sides. Ebony Fretboard, ebony fascia.  The rest of tte details haven’t been fixed yet... cant wait though
    WINNER. 

    I love Brook Guitars, played about 10-15 of them and they have all been wonderful.  

    Good choice @ThorpyFX ;



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  • ThorpyFX said:
    ThorpyFX said:

     Well thanks very much! I have used the info in this thread to great effect. I’ve ordered a custom 000 acoustic guitar that should be ready towards the end of 2018. I really can’t wait. 
    Who's the maker? 

    Speak more of your commission!  What specs did you go for? 
    I’ve gone for A UK made Brook Taw, macasssar ebony back and sides. Ebony Fretboard, ebony fascia.  The rest of tte details haven’t been fixed yet... cant wait though
    I've owned a Taw (Bubinga/Spruce) for just over a year now and love playing it. I'm sure it will be worth the wait! 
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  • ThorpyFXThorpyFX Frets: 3542
    ThorpyFX said:
    ThorpyFX said:

     Well thanks very much! I have used the info in this thread to great effect. I’ve ordered a custom 000 acoustic guitar that should be ready towards the end of 2018. I really can’t wait. 
    Who's the maker? 

    Speak more of your commission!  What specs did you go for? 
    I’ve gone for A UK made Brook Taw, macasssar ebony back and sides. Ebony Fretboard, ebony fascia.  The rest of tte details haven’t been fixed yet... cant wait though
    I've owned a Taw (Bubinga/Spruce) for just over a year now and love playing it. I'm sure it will be worth the wait! 
    Well that’s fantastic to hear, the order was placed because I have been playing my father in laws Brook Torridge every time we visit them. I just couldn’t get over how well it played and how it suited my playing. The fact that they are a quality British company run by quality blokes who love their art was just the icing on the cake for me. 
    Adrian Thorpe MBE | Owner of ThorpyFx Ltd | Email: thorpy@thorpyfx.com | Twitter: @ThorpyFx | Facebook: ThorpyFx Ltd | Website: www.thorpyfx.com
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  • KalimnaKalimna Frets: 336
    Excellent stuff. I have a Tavy in yew and walnut with a walnut/cherry neck and anjan fingerboard. Beautiful warm tone. Lovely chaps down there and stunning guitars they build. Couldnt recommend them highly enough.
    Adam
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  • stevehsteveh Frets: 66
    I see this thread kicked off with Sobells: Probably true to say that he's the highest priced UK builder but he has no trouble selling them. A luthier made steel-string guitar takes weeks/months to build and Stefan is probably the only one making a decent living from it. Kudos to him. I was at a Martin Simpson workshop in Sheffield about 10 years ago and there were at least 5 guys with Sobells there.

    I will say this: Around 12 years ago I had been playing other guitars (- think well-respected small-workshops) and decided to "go for it" and bought a Sobell. Overnight the amount of time I spent playing steel-string went through the roof. My playing and enjoyment benefitted tremendously (and I pretty much gave up electric - haha). A really top-flight guitar is well worth the investment. It changed my guitar-playing life.

    Since then I've had 5 Sobells; still have one (a 2009 madrose model 1). There are definitely other builders out there that make instruments in that category but few do what the Sobell does - incredible clarity and separation that is impossible to overdrive (rather like an archtop). Ultimately I grew away from that sound and moved towards something more vanilla, but when I fancy that type of sound, it has to be a Sobell. 

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  • stevehsteveh Frets: 66
    PS: Should say that when I first contacted Stefan many years ago, his price for a Model 1 was 2K. I thought that was hugely expensive - a Lowden was about 1K at the time - so I bottled. Idiot. Each time I came back to inquire, the price had gone up as demand increased. I wish I'd bought a truck-full back then.
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  • The more you pay for something the more likely you are to cherish it.highly
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  • AliGorieAliGorie Frets: 240
    edited January 1
    Clashman said:
    The more you pay for something the more likely you are to cherish it.highly
    yeah, I'm with you Clashie,-.
    “First and foremost - It’s a tool for making music”

    the first sentence spoken by Dana Bourgeois in this video a maker I particularly respect.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=HMGtTD4bH-w


    yup, says it all in a mater of fact workman way, cause thats what he does (very well), he makes ‘tools’ / instruments for us to get creative develop playing technique and computational skills and make our own music on.


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  • AliGorieAliGorie Frets: 240
    since we're talking anti vanilla exclusive qualifiers -
    I'm sure I caught a glimpse of   one (Sobell) being (lightly) thrashed last night by some retro folk hipster on a hogmanay show last night.
    btw - spell checker don't recognise hogmanay - ah the erasing of culture. 
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  • ToneControlToneControl Frets: 3720
    I was just watching this today
    Probably the best "how we make a guitar" video I have seen:



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  • AliGorieAliGorie Frets: 240
    yeah, no bad TC.
    I OD'd on that stuff back in the 00's doing the building course - one persons vids stand out in my memory, our own Nigel. like DB above refreshingly matter of fact and b*s*t free. I found his vids quite therapeutically relaxing.
    From a building point of view things that get my attention is the 'jigs' and ingenious ways of going about 'procedures' to maximize accuracy and repetition.
    Oh and their tools  =)
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  • TimmyOTimmyO Frets: 2626
    I was just watching this today
    Probably the best "how we make a guitar" video I have seen:



    Just watched that start to finish - thanks for posting!
    "Congratulations on being officially the most right anyone has ever been about anything, ever." -- Noisepolluter knows the score
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