extreme tinfoil across speaker effect on voice and guitars? which FX? (shop or diy)

tampaxboo

hola the fx thread. this is another 'i can hear a sound in my head, what pedal makes it?' threads.

i want an extreme tinfoil across speaker sound from an fx box. preferably cheapo (behringer, joyo, mooer etc) or i can build not too complicated things on vero.

to qualify the desired tone, it's extreme comb-and-paper distortion but brittler, more metallic-y rattle-y sounding (more sheet metal than snare rattle). maybe a bit of ring mod and reverb can add that metallic aspect, but an all-in-one effect is obviously my ideal.
sadly i don't have a studio space to experiment live (small flat with noise-sensitive neighbours, so straight into mixer).

the voice on this drugstore track at 13s+ is sort of a tame version of it for ballpark flavour, but it's more classic comb on paper. i want this effect turned up to eleven with a harsh and brutal sheet metal ring. almost painful-to-listen-to harsh.


thoughts welcome?

MattBanshee

Ibanez LF7 Lo-Fi, if you can find one?

tampaxboo

thanks matty. just gave it a listen and it's got the low fi tinny thing but not the sheet metal distortion with a shadow of verb. but useful to know the ibanez exists. but it has given me an idea for a crappy-basic diy build that might get me close enough. so thanks for the brain nudge.

Teetonetal

Bit crusher. Perhaps... or look at the mooer lofi pedal. Or guitar into distortion pedal direct into pa/desk with no amp would do it.

ThePrettyDamned

Ibanez lo fi plus a boss ds1 or md2 would probably get you there.

Or just guitar - distortion - desk with no amp or model. 

DarnWeight

Pushing a mic/recording preamp into clipping will get you most of the way with that kind of sound.  The Mid Fi Demo Tape Fuzz might be a reasonable one-stomp solution.  I had one for a while and liked it a lot.  Never used it on anything other than guitar, but it definitely had that trashy, blown-out high-end when you pushed the trim/gain up really high.

hotpickups

My möbius would do that I think but a lot to pay for just that fx

ICBM

A Shin-Ei FY-6 on the bright setting might be close - it has a hint of octave-up metallic tone to it.



The Boss FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz is a copy of the fuzz circuit, but with active EQ added which can make it even more nasty and DI'd sounding, if you want.

MattBanshee

tampaxboo said:

thanks matty. just gave it a listen and it's got the low fi tinny thing but not the sheet metal distortion with a shadow of verb. but useful to know the ibanez exists. but it has given me an idea for a crappy-basic diy build that might get me close enough. so thanks for the brain nudge.

If you're happy to DIY, check out the LoFoMoFo circuit.

tampaxboo

weird. i wrote a long reply to this last night and it's vanished?

tampaxboo

DarnWeight said:

Pushing a mic/recording preamp into clipping will get you most of the way with that kind of sound.  The Mid Fi Demo Tape Fuzz might be a reasonable one-stomp solution.  I had one for a while and liked it a lot.  Never used it on anything other than guitar, but it definitely had that trashy, blown-out high-end when you pushed the trim/gain up really high.

thanks for the tip, DarnWeight, metallic 'preamp clippy' is a good way to put it. with a bit of an after 'ring' to it to. i have thought about building the mid fi a few times as it's small and gets good reviews. maybe time to get around to it.

ICBM said:

A Shin-Ei FY-6 on the bright setting might be close - it has a hint of octave-up metallic tone to it.

The Boss FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz is a copy of the fuzz circuit, but with active EQ added which can make it even more nasty and DI'd sounding, if you want.

thanks for the reminder, ICBM. i've being going cocked wah into fuzzwar (muff with a mutant tone stack) into a verbzilla on plate. but it ties up a lot of crap for one sound. i've got the behringer sf300 (fz2 clone) but hadn't thought to try it as i have it categorized as a thick fuzz in my head, but you are right about the fy-6 having that metallic thing. i will play around with it.

MattBanshee said:

tampaxboo said:

thanks matty. just gave it a listen and it's got the low fi tinny thing but not the sheet metal distortion with a shadow of verb. but useful to know the ibanez exists. but it has given me an idea for a crappy-basic diy build that might get me close enough. so thanks for the brain nudge.

If you're happy to DIY, check out the LoFoMoFo circuit.

thanks matty, i have a built but unboxed RG Keen telephone thing, which i think is a variant. i'm just hugely lazy about boxing up. but probably time. the 'junk tone' another variant i think.

generally i think i was just wondering if there was a one-stop-shop pedal. companies like behringer, dano, joyo sometimes release odd clones/variants of forgotten things that often have a quirky feature like this, even if they are often not great at the thing they are supposed to be. like the reverse delay on that dano whatever (green one). maybe not this time.

but even if the ideas in this thread get me down from using three boxes to using two with same results, it will have been a useful exercise.

thank you all.

tampaxboo

DarnWeight said:

Pushing a mic/recording preamp into clipping will get you most of the way with that kind of sound.  The Mid Fi Demo Tape Fuzz might be a reasonable one-stomp solution.  I had one for a while and liked it a lot.  Never used it on anything other than guitar, but it definitely had that trashy, blown-out high-end when you pushed the trim/gain up really high.

thanks for the tip, DarnWeight, metallic 'preamp clippy' is a good way to put it. with a bit of an after 'ring' to it to. i have thought about building the mid fi a few times as it's small and gets good reviews. maybe time to get around to it.

ICBM said:

A Shin-Ei FY-6 on the bright setting might be close - it has a hint of octave-up metallic tone to it.

The Boss FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz is a copy of the fuzz circuit, but with active EQ added which can make it even more nasty and DI'd sounding, if you want.

thanks for the reminder, ICBM. i've being going cocked wah into fuzzwar (muff with a mutant tone stack) into a verbzilla on plate. but it ties up a lot of crap for one sound. i've got the behringer sf300 (fz2 clone) but hadn't thought to try it as i have it categorized as a thick fuzz in my head, but you are right about the fy-6 having that metallic thing. i will play around with it.

MattBanshee said:

tampaxboo said:

thanks matty. just gave it a listen and it's got the low fi tinny thing but not the sheet metal distortion with a shadow of verb. but useful to know the ibanez exists. but it has given me an idea for a crappy-basic diy build that might get me close enough. so thanks for the brain nudge.

If you're happy to DIY, check out the LoFoMoFo circuit.

thanks matty, i have a built but unboxed RG Keen telephone thing, which i think is a variant. i'm just hugely lazy about boxing up. but probably time. the 'junk tone' another variant i think.

generally i think i was just wondering if there was a one-stop-shop pedal. companies like behringer, dano, joyo sometimes release odd clones/variants of forgotten things that often have a quirky feature like this, even if they are often not great at the thing they are supposed to be. like the reverse delay on that dano whatever (green one). maybe not this time.

but even if the ideas in this thread get me down from using three boxes to using two with same results, it will have been a useful exercise.

thank you all.

tampaxboo

yay, it came back. thank you the unseen spirit of fretboard. you work in mysterious ways.

grungebob

Harmonic perculator? 

tampaxboo

grungebob said:

Harmonic perculator? 

good call. i made the great jimi photon's mutant jurgulator variant, which sounded a lot like a splatty shinei fy2 (though varies wildy depending on transistor). or maybe like a fuzz factory half-starved (so-called stab control).
so i get where you are coming from. but doesn't cover the filter aspect or the metallic echo-reverb quality (metal plate reverb) i was hoping to find in the mix.

i would revive it to try for this purpose but it's currently 'in a state of flux'. by which i mean it worked, and then i 'modded it' and it worked less, quite a lot less to be honest, virtually to the point of not at all. actually to be more specific, exactly to the point of not at all.

in fact... i broke it.