Traditional Fender amps tremelo/reverb order?

RandallFlagg

Of the more traditional Fender amps I have only owned a 65 Twin Reverb Reissue, a long while ago, and I can't for the life of me remember if the tremolo came before the reverb or after it.

What order do Fender amps have the reverb and tremolo and how important is this order in contributing to the classic sounds of those amps? 

MartinB

The Reverb comes before the Tremolo, which seems counter-intuititive compared to modern ideas about effects order.  It does sound distinctive though.  

RiftAmps

Depends on the Tremolo type - Opto, Bias, or Harmonic, and the output stage architecture

RandallFlagg

RiftAmps said:

Depends on the Tremolo type - Opto, Bias, or Harmonic, and the output stage architecture

OK, so did/do Fender vary this from amp to amp?

Which ones have trem before and which ones after?

RiftAmps

RandallFlagg said:

RiftAmps said:

Depends on the Tremolo type - Opto, Bias, or Harmonic, and the output stage architecture

OK, so did/do Fender vary this from amp to amp?

Which ones have trem before and which ones after?

Actually, I've told a porkie.

When Fender first introduced onboard Reverb to their amps (1963 Vibroverb), it was placed before the tremolo, and has been ever since.

My line of thought was that different types of tremolo are 'injected' (poor term, sorry) into the circuits at differing points, depending on trem type and OP stage.

Sorry, on holiday and not thinking clearly.

RandallFlagg

OK thanks

Teyeplayer

Although not amp related, having been messing around with my pedal order recently I’ve certainly found reverb followed by trem sounds best (to my ear) and most authentic, whereas for years I’d had it the other way round and to be honest it just didnt sound as good. Seems logical that the same would be true of the signal path through an amp.

RandallFlagg

Teyeplayer said:

Although not amp related, having been messing around with my pedal order recently I’ve certainly found reverb followed by trem sounds best (to my ear) and most authentic, whereas for years I’d had it the other way round and to be honest it just didnt sound as good. Seems logical that the same would be true of the signal path through an amp.

I agree, I would always place reverb last on a modeller like Helix or separate pedals as it seems logical to place the sound of a room space at the very end, but as you say, to be authentic to Fender design trem should follow spring reverb which is less logical!

My amp, Victory V40 Deluxe, has a bias trem and it follows the Fender design in placing it after the reverb.