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Bradley Wiggins and doping accusations

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Seem the UKAD have decided to take no further action against Brad and Team Sky.
They have not come out and clearly stated that they are innocent etc.
Have just read a BBC report about this and the journo finishes the article with a crappy comment about all Team Sky victories can only be classed as hollow.
Now I am not nieve with regards to the messy world of drugs and cycling, but it would make a nice change for BBC journo's to actually support a successful British based sports team.
Dave Brailsford and his mob have done a great job in building and running Team Sky and should be rewarded for their world beating efforts not sniped at by people who have the sporting prowess of a wet flannel!
Of course if they are guilty of doping?
Firstly prove it or shut up!
Secondly if proven guilty, they should be erased.
No I am not angry.
Cheers R
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  • goldtopgoldtop Frets: 6101
    Bo11ocks. Stolen laptop. Dr can't give evidence because he's suddenly poorly. Convenient lack of medical records. TUEs used constantly. It stinks. Of course he was doping.

    You sound like one of those fanatics who defended Lance Armstrong so vigorously.
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  • RavenousRavenous Frets: 1484
    edited November 2017

    First the BBC are like all journalists, a bit slimy and likely to turn on people they once supported.  OK.

    But Secondly I am a little disappointed with Wiggo. He apparently had this phrase "injection free" in his autobiography, but it later turned out to be a fib didn't it? (Disclaimer - I didn't actually read the bio, and the injections weren't illegal, but they were injections.)

    So I'm suspicious, mostly not because of any real evidence but because there were a lot of "convenient" lapses of memory, etc. over the last few years.

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  • goldtop said:
    Bo11ocks. Stolen laptop. Dr can't give evidence because he's suddenly poorly. Convenient lack of medical records. TUEs used constantly. It stinks. Of course he was doping.

    You sound like one of those fanatics who defended Lance Armstrong so vigorously.
    Was a big Armstrong fan until the truth came out.
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  • prowlaprowla Frets: 4896
    Years ago I worked with someone who was a cycling fan and I said they were all doped up, so he got a bit shirty about it.
    But I was right!
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 28280
    Can't agree with the OP. To call all that highly suspicious is an understatement. I am very dissapointed in Wiggins, Brailsford and the whole running of the Sky team, which 'appears' to be either grossly incompetent on many levels or corrupt. I loved cycling for decades, but it's all a bit Meh for me now.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 14321
    edited November 2017
    goldtop said:
    It stinks.
    Very interesting.

    The convoluted route by which Wiggo's medication was transported to him is bound to look suspicious. (Why go to so much trouble for meds that could have been prescribed locally?) You have to wonder why medications permitted for minor ailments cannot be prescribed to racing cyclists either by, or under the supervision of, a neutral race doctor? This would remove all possible suspicion of cheating.

    The convenient non-availability of witnesses and documentary evidence compounds the matter. It looks like weaselling. It also strongly resembles the Armstrong business.

    This, by itself, is not definitive proof of anything.

    Ravenous said:
    I am a little disappointed with Wiggo.
    It is well known that Wiggins' 2012 TdF victory was due to team orders. Froome held back when he could have trounced Wiggins. Wiggins has never looked like a serious contender for a second tour win. There was a perceived need for a British winner as part of the hype leading up to the 2012 London Olympic Games. Wiggins is British. Froome was born and raised abroad.

    rolls1392 said:
    Armstrong
    I find it hugely ironic that, whilst all of Armstrong's TdF victories have been struck from the record, that of Marco Pantani - a proven career-long doper, who died as a result of his excesses - has been allowed to stand.
    Be seeing you.
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  • capo4thcapo4th Frets: 4437
    Biggest bunch of druggies on planet earth
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  • capo4th said:
    Biggest bunch of druggies on planet earth
    Ahem ;)

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    littlegreenman < My tunes here...
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  • DodgeDodge Frets: 1430

    It is well known that Wiggins' 2012 TdF victory was due to team orders. Froome held back when he could have trounced Wiggins. Wiggins has never looked like a serious contender for a second tour win. 

    There's no doubt that Froome is the better grand tour rider, in the same way that there's no doubt Wiggins is a better track and time trialist.  But I don't believe in 2012 that given freedom to attack that Froome was 3+ minutes better than Wiggins which was the final gap.  I agree with you about him not looking likely after 2012 though, but then he didn't get the chance.

    In 2009 (3rd) and 2011 (DNF due to crash), Wiggins was a serious contender in the TDF - there's a great documentary about HTC Columbia kicking around somewhere with some really good footage of the team directeur sportifs from Astana and Saxo Bank discussing how they both needed to attack Wiggins as they feared him in 2009.

    Funkfingers said:

    I find it hugely ironic that, whilst all of Armstrong's TdF victories have been struck from the record, that of Marco Pantani - a proven career-long doper, who died as a result of his excesses - has been allowed to stand.

    I agree with this, and there's categorically no defence - however when Pantani was racing, doping was particularly bad in cycling and had been for decades.  Pantani never got caught in the TDF with the testing of the time, in the same way Ullrich, Fignon, Merckx, Coppi etc etc didn't.  All of which were known drug users.

    Armstrong's cheating was a different league to anything that had gone before.
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 11413
     
    I find it hugely ironic that, whilst all of Armstrong's TdF victories have been struck from the record, that of Marco Pantani - a proven career-long doper, who died as a result of his excesses - has been allowed to stand.
    The problem is that they would probably have to strike off everyone who won it between 1960 and 2010.
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 28280
    It is well known that Wiggins' 2012 TdF victory was due to team orders. Froome held back when he could have trounced Wiggins. 
    I don't actually think that statement has any particular merit. The Tour history includes several superb No 2s who possibly could have won. Team orders are part of the sport. Greg Lemond who spent 2 years being no 2 to Hinault could have won 5 tours rather than the 3 he did get.
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  • LegionreturnsLegionreturns Frets: 7965
    edited November 2017
    I'm the only clean cyclist. That's why I get absolutely trounced in every time trial or race I enter. 

    It's nothing to do with my lack of ability, fitness, stamina or dedication.

    My Trading Feedback    |    You Bring The Band

    Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you
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  • I'm the only clean cyclist. That's why I get absolutely trounced in every time trial or race I enter. 

    It's nothing to do with my lack of ability, fitness, stamina or dedication.
    You and Chris Boardman, back in the day!
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  • DodgeDodge Frets: 1430
    rolls1392 said:

    You and Chris Boardman, back in the day!
    Now there was a great cyclist, and a top bloke too.  His auto-biography is really good reading.
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  • tampaxbootampaxboo Frets: 487
    edited November 2017
    i think international cycling is missing a trick. instead of the constant doping scandals they should start a whole new category on pay-per-view for people who want to get hammered (speed, acid, steriods, dope) and then go cycle the tour de france route. don't outlaw it, flaunt it. very watchable.
    i am the hired assassin... the specialist. i introduce myself to you... i'm a sadist.
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  • FosterFoster Frets: 1100
    Simple Solution 

    If any one person in the tour de france tests positive for drugs (of any sort) then the race continues with said person, only don't close the roads.

    I'd love to see the tour de france with traffic.
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  • rolls1392 said:
    goldtop said:
    Bo11ocks. Stolen laptop. Dr can't give evidence because he's suddenly poorly. Convenient lack of medical records. TUEs used constantly. It stinks. Of course he was doping.

    You sound like one of those fanatics who defended Lance Armstrong so vigorously.
    Was a big Armstrong fan until the truth came out.
    Me too. Was suckered in by the story. 

    crunchman said:
     
    I find it hugely ironic that, whilst all of Armstrong's TdF victories have been struck from the record, that of Marco Pantani - a proven career-long doper, who died as a result of his excesses - has been allowed to stand.
    The problem is that they would probably have to strike off everyone who won it between 1960 and 2010.
    I think there were 2 things unique about armstrong; how vigorously he persued anyone who tried to break the story... and how much he drove drug use on the young members of his team.

    He has destroyed cycling for alot of people.
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  • TelejesterTelejester Frets: 743
    edited November 2017
    it was a total catch 22, if you werent on the juice you hadnt a chance and arnstrong just got caught ,he should have stayed away after 2005
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  • Should just let them take whatever they want and see how fast they can really go :-) 
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  • FuengiFuengi Frets: 2849
    Should just let them take whatever they want and see how fast they can really go :-) 

    I suggested exactly this to a mate. He raised an eyebrow. "Oh yeah" I said, "that's what they're doing!" 
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