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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1424
    Great vid by that guy with some very helpful ideas.

    This is something I need to do so let us know how you get on @Lestratcaster :)
     www.cairoeast.co.uk - Madness Tribute band (Bass Player) and guitarist elsewhere
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  • He soundproofed it very well and it looks great. So if I can get started the same way he did I'm onto something.
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  • stevebsteveb Frets: 19
    I cant see it costing 4-5k. I built my music room from scratch, including ground works, windows and door, rubber roof, elecs, fully skimmed inside. It cost me 4.5k. I did Most of it myself but you get the idea. You have a shell which is a good start!!! 

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NxoemEv7v_omijujEx8PjDSMd8iJvvjtdA/view?usp=drivesdk
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  • Can or can't see it costing 4-5k lol
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  • stevebsteveb Frets: 19
    I cant!! Shop around for best prices on materials. You could do a lot yourself, removing the roof, doors, etc. And try and call in a couple of favours as you say. You could also learn to do stuff like batten the walls out to take insulation. Fit the insulation, plasterboard over. Worth thinking about.
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  • Oh, just cos you said you can't see it costing the same amount as it cost you! 

    I might be able to get someone to do it for cheaper to get the costs down, I know different people who can do stuff like electrics and plastering etc.
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  • capo4thcapo4th Frets: 3194
    You should be able to hire a builder and a young labourer for two weeks and build an amazing room for £5000 inc electrics and double layered soundproof board. Plastered and floored. Surface mount your electrics and lighting. Easy to source a cheap PVC double glazed window and door. 

    Plan plan plan and plan again and spend time sourcing your materials.

    Minster insulation were super cheap for the dense kingspan and 15mm soundproof board.

    Wood again shop around and find a deal. Very easy to blow your budget with the wrong materials supplier.
    Avoid Wickes B+Q.

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  • stevebsteveb Frets: 19
    edited December 2017
    Mine included flagging, i had to have a new mains board in the house to take 'the shed'! Skips to clear what was there before. Like i said, you have a shell with a base. Its a good start. Do as much as you can yourself and use people you know for the rest if poss!! Good luck with it!! Keep us updated!!
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  • Just an update on this, I'm still looking at getting this done, just been a bit unproductive about it.

    Anyway I know an electrician who lives across the road from me who popped over to take a look. His observations were to do the ceiling, bricking up the back garage area to stop people accessing it round the back, changing the windows to PVC, getting bit of carpet in there and installing the sockets and some lights. Then to put an actual lockable door on the front. 

    He's coming back tomorrow to do measurements before coming back with a rough price. Fearing I'm going to get stung here!
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4285
    I'd have to apply for planning permission though wouldn't I? Surely I can't just go and build a studio on my tod
    I think if its jsut a garage conversin then it will fall under permitted development. My local council have a form you can fill in to submit some sketches and they will confirm that you dont need planning permission ...it £79 but cheaper than doing a full planning permission application I would have thought.
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4285
    Danny1969 said:
    Your kind of over thinking it .... your gonna teach in it, not live in it ...... that's 2 separate things.... Electric and a solid door is what you would expect in any garage anyway

    I did mine, to a standard that was soundproof so I could record loud guitars late at night. This meant a lot more material than you would need (only thing that stops sound is mass) . I also converted a mates to a similar man cave for his guitars

    Basically I did the following

    Made good any holes in the walls and roof

    Ripped out old window and door and replaced with well measured UPVC 

    Battened the walls and insulated the walls and roof with acoustic grade Rockwool

    Then a vapour barrier, then lined the walls and ceiling with plasterboard

    Built false floor with vapour barrier 

    Many builders will want to run the cable behind the plasterboard so they can cut into the plasterboard and use flush fitting pattresses for the electrics ... this looks neater but it will degrade the performance of the plasterboard in terms of it's thermal and acoustic performance. For best results surface mount sockets and put wire in conduit 

    In terms of cost your probably talking about 1.8K in materials for a basic single garage and 2 weeks labour so probably around 4K for builders to do it in total 
    4k sounds cheap to me too, im looking at commisioning a garage conversion at the mometn and ballpark quotes have ranged from 7-12k. 

    I know your pretty local to me so if you know anyone worth contacting to quote would def be interested.
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  • I'd have to apply for planning permission though wouldn't I? Surely I can't just go and build a studio on my tod
    I think if its jsut a garage conversin then it will fall under permitted development. My local council have a form you can fill in to submit some sketches and they will confirm that you dont need planning permission ...it £79 but cheaper than doing a full planning permission application I would have thought.
    I think its fine if I'm just adding bricks and windows. Its not like we're building from scratch according to the electrician who had an extension built in his house.
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  • He came back and noticed all the rendering outside the garage is fucked and would need replacing, so now we are getting his builder mate round to have a look and really diagnose what we'd be looking at in costs. Hoping it don't add alot of money onto the budget! Anyone know how much rendering usually costs?
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  • Builder comes round and has a look at the overall garage, roof needs doing now, suggested fibreglass to prevent leaks and also the seams round the edges have gone. Combined with the rendering that's going to be the bulk of the costs, but he has taken measurements and factored in what I want done and should be getting a price in the next few days.
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4285
    def be interested to see what your quote is if you dont mind sharing. Im getting quotes at the moment for a conversion for an integral garage so would be good to compare.
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  • Yeah no worries, once I get the quote I'll post it on here. My reckoning is the roof and rendering will cost the most. The actual inside work isn't too bad just bricks, plasterboards (dot and dab) and electrics really. Oh, and the carpet.

    Mine might cost more cos I'm in London though (don't know where you're based!)
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4285
    South East so also in the expensive zone :D I expect they'll want to build the floor up to level with the interior house for mine but expecting little if any ground works (jsut need to brick up the garage door and put wind in) plus dot+dab plus electrics
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  • As you saw in previous posts my garage is not attached to my house its right at the back of the garden and is in a bit of a state, so alot of work needs to be done for it to be usable. Just hoping its not going to be a hefty price to do everything!
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  • duotoneduotone Frets: 288
    I'd have to apply for planning permission though wouldn't I? Surely I can't just go and build a studio on my tod
    I think if its jsut a garage conversin then it will fall under permitted development. My local council have a form you can fill in to submit some sketches and they will confirm that you dont need planning permission ...it £79 but cheaper than doing a full planning permission application I would have thought.
    If you need CAD drawings & not having them is preventing you from moving the project forward, then give me a shout.  I would be happy to help.
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4285
    duotone said:
    I'd have to apply for planning permission though wouldn't I? Surely I can't just go and build a studio on my tod
    I think if its jsut a garage conversin then it will fall under permitted development. My local council have a form you can fill in to submit some sketches and they will confirm that you dont need planning permission ...it £79 but cheaper than doing a full planning permission application I would have thought.
    If you need CAD drawings & not having them is preventing you from moving the project forward, then give me a shout.  I would be happy to help.
    Dont think I'll need them as long as the window is the correct minimum size Im pretty confident this falls under permitted development. My case is pretty straightforward though, might be less so for the OP which is why I suggested it
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  • Just heard back from the builder and his electrician mate, he said its going to cost approx £18,000 to do the work, the roof and rendering being the biggest costs. Oof. It might be a bit less but its still ALOT of fucking money.

    Will be hunting around other builders though.
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  • PolarityManPolarityMan Frets: 4285
    fuck thats a chunk
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  • Yeah double what I expected it to cost. I'm trying to find someone else to do it for less and just use electrician matey for the socks/lights etc. Originally we didn't know the roof was so bad and the rendering had to be done. If it was mainly bricking up and plaster boarding then it would have been alright I reckon.

    Best start buying some lottery tickets then eh.
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  • duotoneduotone Frets: 288
    Just heard back from the builder and his electrician mate, he said its going to cost approx £18,000 to do the work, the roof and rendering being the biggest costs. Oof. It might be a bit less but its still ALOT of fucking money.

    Will be hunting around other builders though.
    Woah thats a HUGE leap.  
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  • After speaking again we have established our main priorities are the roof and the rendering. So what we will do is get a new quote for these and have a look at the interior stuff later on, if I sort the materials out I only pay day rate to him and his mate to do the other stuff. I'm not on a timeline to have this done, but it'd allow us to spread out the cost and allow time to save more money.
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  • LestratcasterLestratcaster Frets: 443
    edited October 29
    Just to update everyone on this we have established the main structure/stability of the building needs work, lintels needed to support the weight of the roof, and is not stable currently. We are starting work next week on this plus removing garage door to brick up. New UPVC windows/doors installed and celotex insulation under a new felt roof. Get everything watertight and exterior neat and tidy first.
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