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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2996
    randella said:
    BRISTOL86 said:
    Schnozz said:
    Clarky said:

    I love the way the kid drops in a few bum notes, looks up, smiles / laughs and plays right through it..
    that's not the sign of someone under any pressure..
    in fact, it's a great attribute.. one I remind my students of often..
    That was nervous smile, because he KNOWS that's a paddlin' - His poppa gon' be mad as.
    Could be a great life experience around which to write authentic blues

    My Daddy gon’ gimme a paddlin’
    I hit a G sharp not a G
    I done lost a thousand subscribers
    Oh my Daddy gon’ be mad at me
    When he's older he's going to have all those magnificent life experiences like the rest of us.

    Woke up this mornin'
    Mildly worried about my job
    Got stuck in traffic on the M60
    Don't know what's for dinner later.  I might allow for the increase in supernarket food prices of late by having corn on the cob.

    Robert Johnson's shitting himself I hear.
    have a wis
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2996

    pia98jf said:
    Why are you guys wasting your time on a guitar forum when clearly a career in comedy beckons?
    well.....
    the G# instead of a G thing mentioned above...
    I did exactly that - hit a G# instead of a G in the key of Em due to a little drying sweat making the neck sticky - at an open air festival in Germany back in July..
    dropping a nice little bomb like that during a solo in a ballad in front of 25k people was.. erm.. comedy enough for me..
    new years resolution on the way...
    try not to be quite that funny in 2018... lol

    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2996

    Arktik83 said:
    With regards to the people getting angry and saying: "Give the kid a break ffs!" I don't think anyone is belittling him as a performer we were just highlighting the fact that with his high end guitars/amps/production this looks more than a child pursuing his passion. 

    Yes it is a cynical point of view and maybe we do need to get over ourselves but I don't think anyone is saying: "He's not good enough" just that to become a performer at such a young age could cause problems with development in later life.  Nobody is denying this kid is clearly great at what he does but, for me, the "OH, HI...Glad you dropped by." shtick and the staging of the videos detracts from the kids clear talent.  It just feels a bit click baitish...

    EDIT: Word choice.
    Yep, I agree with this.  I can picture the dad behind the camera, complete with unfulfilled dreams of being a famous guitarist himself, living up his fantasies through his son, by giving him or buying him loads of expensive Gibsons and Hamsteads and sticking a camera in his face.

    The hammy persona really, really grates on me.  I think one can tell between a child's natural enthusiasm and something like this, where he's clearly been trained on how someone thinks is the right way to behave in front of a camera.  I would generally be really enthusiastic to see a young guy play so well, but somehow the whole thing is deeply offputting.  I just can't enjoy it.

    There's nothing better than seeing a kid do well, but you can go too far with the flashiness, and this little guy has jumped the shark already with his manner and his ridiculous clothes.

    The sooner he develops a personality of his own, rather than being pushed in a certain direction, the better.  I refuse to believe he came up with this stuff of his own accord.
    alternatively....
    dad behind the camera, don't know a Gibson from a Fender..
    not a muso at all.. but is a pretty successful fella and is pretty well off.. 
    wants his kid to do his best / have the best stuff to do it with and is more than willing to lend a hand in any way he can..
    and dad seeing his kid do all this amazing music stuff makes him feel immensely proud..

    not much different to the dad that's never seriously played footie running up and down the touch line all excited, shouting encouragement every time his kid gets the ball..
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  • Clarky said:


    I love the way the kid drops in a few bum notes, looks up, smiles / laughs and plays right through it..
    that's not the sign of someone under any pressure..
    in fact, it's a great attribute.. one I remind my students of often..

    Exactly this. Its the first thing I noticed and an exceptional quality that will stand him in good stead. The kid is clearly enjoying himself, the cheeky smile at the camera when he hits a bum note suggests he doesn't really care. It doesn't scream of anyone under intense pressure to me, surely his 'pushy parents' wouldn't upload it if it wasn't perfect?

    For all we know the kids dad is a millionaire banker who buys his kids affection as he's never there and the mother seeks comfort in the gardener, butler, milkman, teacher, anyone going and the little kid hasn't been shielded from this and has intense pain inside that he channels through his guitar playing. Sounds like blues to me whatever the age.

    Who cares though, it sounds good.

    It reminds me of when I saw Alter Bridge in Edinburgh. During the soundcheck I video'd the song 'Show me a leader' and thought Tremonti nailed it. Watching the video I realised he made a good few mistakes in the solo, played the wrong chord in a verse... I never noticed at the time because his stage presence has you mesmerised. And why? Because he is always smiling, always looking like he is loving every second and it make you love every second and ignore tiny errors. You've got to enjoy it, and this kid clearly does
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  • DLMDLM Frets: 1823
    chrishill901 said:

    For all we know the kids dad is a millionaire banker who buys his kids affection as he's never there and the mother seeks comfort in the gardener, butler, milkman, teacher, anyone going and the little kid hasn't been shielded from this and has intense pain inside that he channels through his guitar playing. Sounds like blues to me whatever the age.
    @chrishill901 We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen. @Sambostar's not been around as much lately, and the kid's been exposed to a wholly indecent amount of hair metal/rebel country.
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  • prlgmnrprlgmnr Frets: 389
    A few people need to read their Albert Murray before going on about what is and isn't "the blues".
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  • Rocker said:
    Rabs said:
    I sometimes wonder when a kid is good at such a young age if they will actually just get bored of it all by the time they hit college or their first job..??

    Yeah, life is for living, not spending every hour of the day playing a guitar.  A child has to develop social skills, play football, run around and things normal children do.  That is why videos like these make me wonder what kind of parent(s) the child has.
    It's a fucking good job Guthrie Govan, Dave Killminster etc didn't follow your advise. It' perfectly possible for kids to get addicted to something and throw their souls into it.

    How dare you be so fucking judgemental.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 16938
    Rocker said:
    dbphoto said:j
    I’m struggling to understand some of the negativity and assumptions being made here.
    Would you want your child spending all of his/her time playing guitar? To the exclusion of everything else a child does like playing games with other children?
    Who says that he does.? He obviously goes to school and for all you know plays football ..
    My pump-action drivel gun is smoking hot today!
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 16938
    Bucket said:
    randella said:
    Kid rips it up on loud overdriven guitar with raw talent, looking like he's thoroughly enjoying himself whilst he's at it.  Everything you'd think the participants on a guitar forum would approve of. 

    Guitar forum says no playing until he's old and bitter, apparently then he'll have 'something to say'. And his parents are obviously shit to boot. 

    Hell's teeth. 
    All of this.

    Jesus Christ, you're some bitter old fuckers on here.

    More power to the young lad if you ask me. He looks like he's enjoying himself, he's developing a style and performance technique of his own, he's reaching a wide audience and he's a fucking good player to boot - I only started at 11 and I'd have killed to be that good even several years later.

    There's nothing to suggest this is any of his parents' doing - maybe he came up with the idea, and badgered them incessantly for help with recording or whatever else? If I was that good at that age, I know I would have - I'd probably have used every trick in the book to try and get myself out there. How else is he going to do it at his age? And even if they were pushing him, I'm pretty sure they'd let him stop if he wasn't enjoying it.

    Lot of you need to get over yourselves.
    I'm an old fucker but I'm not bitter ... drink the odd pint though .. :-)

    I've seen the kid on YouTube and I like him .. kids are always obsessed with something be it music, football or whatever. I don't get the hate or Dickensian views ... lighten up.
    My pump-action drivel gun is smoking hot today!
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  • JerkMoansJerkMoans Frets: 1681
    Clarky said:

    I love the way the kid drops in a few bum notes, looks up, smiles / laughs and plays right through it..
    that's not the sign of someone under any pressure..
    in fact, it's a great attribute.. one I remind my students of often..
    This^^^.  This tells me he is genuinely enjoying himself.  Letting rip with an ocean of talent and ability.  Can't wait to see what he does when he's had all the broken hearted shattered dreams, alcohol and drug addiction issues and record company treachery a true bluesman needs... :D

    Truth be told, I think he's pretty chuffing great.
    Self-confessed Blues Lawyer
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  • BucketBucket Frets: 7606
    You pile in on this kid for not knowing what it really means to have "the blues"...

    But you all love Clapton don't you? A comfortably well-off white man from Surrey. Last time I checked, never enslaved by anyone.
    - "I'm going to write a very stiff letter. A VERY stiff letter. On cardboard."
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  • xpia98jfxpia98jf Frets: 306
    Bucket said:
    You pile in on this kid for not knowing what it really means to have "the blues"...

    But you all love Clapton don't you? A comfortably well-off white man from Surrey. Last time I checked, never enslaved by anyone.
    Do you actually know anything about Clapton’s life?
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2996
    Clarky said:


    I love the way the kid drops in a few bum notes, looks up, smiles / laughs and plays right through it..
    that's not the sign of someone under any pressure..
    in fact, it's a great attribute.. one I remind my students of often..

    Exactly this. Its the first thing I noticed and an exceptional quality that will stand him in good stead. The kid is clearly enjoying himself, the cheeky smile at the camera when he hits a bum note suggests he doesn't really care. It doesn't scream of anyone under intense pressure to me, surely his 'pushy parents' wouldn't upload it if it wasn't perfect?

    For all we know the kids dad is a millionaire banker who buys his kids affection as he's never there and the mother seeks comfort in the gardener, butler, milkman, teacher, anyone going and the little kid hasn't been shielded from this and has intense pain inside that he channels through his guitar playing. Sounds like blues to me whatever the age.

    Who cares though, it sounds good.

    It reminds me of when I saw Alter Bridge in Edinburgh. During the soundcheck I video'd the song 'Show me a leader' and thought Tremonti nailed it. Watching the video I realised he made a good few mistakes in the solo, played the wrong chord in a verse... I never noticed at the time because his stage presence has you mesmerised. And why? Because he is always smiling, always looking like he is loving every second and it make you love every second and ignore tiny errors. You've got to enjoy it, and this kid clearly does
    have a wis for the deceive work...
    wife in the conservatory with the candle stick 
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • ricorico Frets: 876
    Bucket said:
    You pile in on this kid for not knowing what it really means to have "the blues"...

    But you all love Clapton don't you? A comfortably well-off white man from Surrey. Last time I checked, never enslaved by anyone.
    Do some research - you might be surprised. 
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    pia98jf said:
    Bucket said:
    You pile in on this kid for not knowing what it really means to have "the blues"...

    But you all love Clapton don't you? A comfortably well-off white man from Surrey. Last time I checked, never enslaved by anyone.
    Do you actually know anything about Clapton’s life?
    jeez...
    no matter what the style of music... it's just notes...

    you really don't have to have had a dreadful life to be able to play with tremendous feel and passion..
    you simply have to have the ability to feel the music, play from the heart and be able to project it..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • Clarky said:

    pia98jf said:
    Bucket said:
    You pile in on this kid for not knowing what it really means to have "the blues"...

    But you all love Clapton don't you? A comfortably well-off white man from Surrey. Last time I checked, never enslaved by anyone.
    Do you actually know anything about Clapton’s life?
    jeez...
    no matter what the style of music... it's just notes...

    you really don't have to have had a dreadful life to be able to play with tremendous feel and passion..
    you simply have to have the ability to feel the music, play from the heart and be able to project it..
    Absolutely. Some people can just channel emotion into music. It's a gift and in my opinion upbringing has little to do with it.

    It also doesn't have to hardship and heart wrenching. Some people can channel pure joy into their music.
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  • BucketBucket Frets: 7606
    pia98jf said:
    Bucket said:
    You pile in on this kid for not knowing what it really means to have "the blues"...

    But you all love Clapton don't you? A comfortably well-off white man from Surrey. Last time I checked, never enslaved by anyone.
    Do you actually know anything about Clapton’s life?
    I know enough to remember that despite ripping off a black style of music for a living, he thinks Enoch was right.
    - "I'm going to write a very stiff letter. A VERY stiff letter. On cardboard."
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  • RabsRabs Frets: 1036

    That man went through something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy...  Which this song is about

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  • BucketBucket Frets: 7606
    edited December 2017
    Rabs said:

    That man went through something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy...  Which this song is about

    I'm not denying that it's tragic.

    Although I think it's a cheap shot to bring that up to try and make me look insensitive, when all of that happened decades after he had already built a career on ripping off black blues players, and also a long time after he expressed a desire for black people to be sent back to "where they came from". His late son was ten years from even being born when he said that. So as sad as it is, don't try to tell me it has any relevance to what I'm saying.
    - "I'm going to write a very stiff letter. A VERY stiff letter. On cardboard."
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9061
    edited December 2017
    I often wonder if I would be better if I had the resources available to kids these days.  Probably not, I am just not that talented.  

    But I do think you have to consider that kids today have easy access to a massive amount of high quality tuition.  They will still need dedication and talent, not trying to take away from that.  But imagine how far they can go with dedication, talent... and that massive resource?

    Wanna learn something new, anything,  go to YouTube and watch a few vids and you will be on your way.   Most kids will have better google skills than you too
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 888
    I don't get why people are making assumptions that the kid is somehow cruelly forced into practising guitar against his will lol

    Pretty sure he does like playing the guitar; it's just that his parents are indulging in the cringe and, unlike a primary school child, they should know better. But like I said, there have always been parents who love to show off their little angel, it's a sitcom archetype.

    The idea that instrumental music somehow comes from sad life experiences, though, is ludicrous (and pretentious) to me. Makes me think of rap and how people will hear a song that they love the sound of but then retrospectively decide it somehow doesn't sound good if they then learn that the person doing the rapping didn't actually do the things he rapped about or doesn't speak in the same accent that he raps in. It's like saying George RR Martin didn't actually meet a dragon. Except, this is even more absurd because instrumental music doesn't even refer to life events whether real or fictional, it really is just music.
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2996
    edited December 2017
    pia98jf said:
    Clarky said:
    jeez...
    no matter what the style of music... it's just notes..
    Ha, ha and I suppose a Picasso painting is just “lines on a page”. If you don’t get it, it can’t be explained so I don’t think this discussion is going to go anywhere.
    ok... no probs

    I'd like to think however that music is something that I get
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 888
    Art is actually a good comparison - the idea that random splashes of paint or geometric shapes etc. represents some deep concept is the same kind of pretentiousness as the idea that guitar notes come from a life of struggle
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  • siraxemansiraxeman Frets: 1924
    Clarky said:

    pia98jf said:
    Bucket said:
    You pile in on this kid for not knowing what it really means to have "the blues"...

    But you all love Clapton don't you? A comfortably well-off white man from Surrey. Last time I checked, never enslaved by anyone.
    Do you actually know anything about Clapton’s life?
    jeez...
    no matter what the style of music... it's just notes...

    you really don't have to have had a dreadful life to be able to play with tremendous feel and passion..
    you simply have to have the ability to feel the music, play from the heart and be able to project it..
    Absolutely. Some people can just channel emotion into music. It's a gift and in my opinion upbringing has little to do with it.

    It also doesn't have to hardship and heart wrenching. Some people can channel pure joy into their music.





    Gotta agree....i never bought into all that nonsense you have to really have had sorrow n heartache to be able to play the blues.
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  • ClarkyClarky Frets: 2996
    thegummy said:
    Art is actually a good comparison - the idea that random splashes of paint or geometric shapes etc. represents some deep concept is the same kind of pretentiousness as the idea that guitar notes come from a life of struggle
    I agree and disagree...
    I agree that great playing does not require a tragic life struggle..
    bending an A to a B is what it is no matter what life you've had...

    composition and writing lyrics however is a different thing [for many types of music]..
    the act of being creative has a deeper emotional connection
    even if the subject material is fantasy, often there is a relation back to something seen, experienced or heard / read about..

    when playing a solo and music in general.. it's possible to feel a deep emotional connection [happy, sad, angry, fun, silly etc] with the notes you play due to the way the music makes you feel at that moment.. but this does not mean to say that you have to have had a difficult life to feel this... you're simply playing and feeling it...
    everyone can feel this connection to music.. even non musicians.. music makes people want to dance and party, soldiers feel brave, people in church feel solemn, anthems are supposed to make people feel proud and connected to their nation.. fun tunes as memory aids so kids can learn the alphabet.. or raging angst so headbangers can fk it up in the pit etc.. we can all feel these things.. it's why music is so powerful and so universal.. a conveyor of emotions and identities of all types..

    composition / lyricism is a different thing because you have to turn inwards..
    you attach your creativity to a specific emotion and tap into it

    my argument regarding the boy in the video is this...
    he is not composing he's simply playing something he's learned [rather well I might add]..
    he'll be perfectly able to feel a connection to the act of his performance at an emotional level..
    he'll certainly feel the notes he's playing no matter if his life so far has been happy and stable or not...
    when he bends his A to a B in Em in that musical setting, he'll know what it sounds and feels like..
    it's simply a case of mechanically playing the right notes at the right time..
    something he's learned to do by studying and trying to emulate his heroes...
    anyone can do this... it's simply a case of practice [doing enough of it to develop the skills]..
    having a messed up life does not mean that you are the only person able to play well..
    playing well is just a case of learn well, practice hard and often, then go do it often..

    however... I doubt that boy could have composed the pieces he's been playing..
    that is a different skill entirely which requires and different kind of experience as a musician and in some cases, in life too..
    and in some other cases it's about immersion in a specific culture..
    because this is the act of creativity.. and it requires some sort of source..

    creating music and playing music are not the same thing..
    play every note as if it were your first
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  • siraxemansiraxeman Frets: 1924
    edited December 2017
    ^^you is right of course, being creative is a biggie that separates most players....since the vast majority of player simply arent creaive even AT ALL.

    I  remember a tv program I watched years ago featuring JoBo as a 12yr old when he was still 12 or 13yrs old and long before he "made it"....he grew up to be quite good and pretty creative. That said another kid way back was the geordie kid thomas mcrocklin dont think he ever amounted to much beyond the novelty "kid virtuoso " only time will tell...but even so if he never got much better hes still a very good player no matter what and way above most adult player with triple his experience..time will tell if its all just motor skills learned. I just hope his parents teach him well and for him not to develop a big ego...which is a very real possibility.
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  • WezV said:
    I often wonder if I would be better if I had the resources available to kids these days.  Probably not, I am just not that talented.  

    But I do think you have to consider that kids today have easy access to a massive amount of high quality tuition.  They will still need dedication and talent, not trying to take away from that.  But imagine how far they can go with dedication, talent... and that massive resource?

    Wanna learn something new, anything,  go to YouTube and watch a few vids and you will be on your way.   Most kids will have better google skills than you too
    On the other hand, the market is massively over crowded. There is so much music out there now, so many awesome musicians. Getting a name is harder than ever. Look at how many people rock schools alone have churned out since the mid 90's. You are also now competing at a global level. 

    So yes, kids have far more resource and access available but the bar is so much higher and the competition much greater.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8481
    pia98jf said:
    dbphoto said:
    Too young to know what the blues really means?

    Pretentious nonsense I would say.

    SRV played his first gig aged 11 if I remember correctly.
    So at 11 he knows about falling in/out love, getting your heart broken, losing your job, grief over lost loved ones, drug/drink addiction, money problems etc etc? Because that’s where authentic blues comes from.

    Or are we just talking about generic blues by numbers?

     Oh don't talk such crap, you don't need to be a fucking sharecropper to play a musical instrument expressively. 

    Listen to Jacqueline du Pre playing  Elgar's Cello concerto, she makes most 'bluesmen' sound like the bunch of hack mechanics they mostly are.

    Despite her privileged, indulgent childhood, she could communicate emotion through music as well as anyone in the world, from a very young age. 

    That kid sounds fine, just like any other adult SRV clone. His 'guitar face' is cringeworthy, but that's no different to any kid imitating adult stuff, he'll get over it. 



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  • True art?

    Such justifications seem like a thing for people who want something to mean something more due to their prejudices.

    Art is entertainment. It might make you happy, sad, contemplative, or any number of other emotions... but the primary purpose is to entertain in some way. It’s supposed to make you feel something.

    Real struggle, tragedy; that’s a person’s story. If that influences your enjoyment of their art then that is fine. But to require knowledge of the story and to use it as a framework for legitimising it shows a desire to judge the art for factors beyond what it is - namely by how they value its creator. 
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