The Last Jedi spoliers thread

english_bob

english_bob

joneve

english_bob said:

LOL! so accurate! 

bloodandtears

+1 for Thrawn.... I read the books,  nice to see him appear in Rebels though

WezV

bloodandtears said:

+1 for Thrawn.... I read the books,  nice to see him appear in Rebels though

Yeah, he is officially canon now thanks to rebels, albeit a younger Thrawn than in the books. 

colourofsound

I had no issues with the direction of the plot; the liberties taken with the Force, or any of that. The real issue here for me is the *delivery* of the film and the clear misfires in tone.

Firstly; the humour. Clearly out of place - the phone gag and Mum joke at the beginning being the prime offender here. This misjudgment in tone is the equivalent of someone pulling out an iPad on the Dreadnought - the franchise has established and maintained a consistency which is how we recognise it, and this is not in the plot or the story, but in its setting; and the jokes stick out like a sore thumb in the same way a touch screen would on an X-Wing.

Funnily enough, I don't feel like Luke milking the sea-elephant with 4 human tits was out of place; it was just badly delivered, weird and unnecessary.

Secondly: the length. It was too long, it had too many final confrontations; all of which could have been fixed simply by Admiral Holdo telling Poe what the plan was and to chill the fuck out. Then we could get the 50 minutes of our lives we spent in that casino back. Whilst I understand that this falls in line with themes of failure and Poe being knocked down a few pegs, I don't feel that Poe actually learned that lesson, considering his apparent complete lack of concern with the bombers he lost at the start of the film or any of the consequences of his actions later on.

Additionally, Finn and Rose's story arc and relationship seem like a cheap way to both satisfy a lefty agenda and tick a diversity box. It seems like an afterthought which doesnt lend any respect to the general issue of diversity in Hollywood; and there’s no place for ham-fisted rich vs poor political commentry in Star Wars.

Finally, there’s the leaps in logic - dropping bombs in space, Phasma’s blaster-proof suit (wouldn’t it make a lot of sense for all storm troopers to have this armour???), doing a quick scan/walk of the caves on Crait just to be sure there’s no other way out...and so on...

In short, I felt that this film was a total shambles, not because of the liberties it takes with the plot, but the way in which it was delivered.

sticker

I loved it and hated it .

really need to see it again to make any kind of judgement on it but it was not the film I was expecting that's for sure .

Flink_Poyd

sticker said:

I loved it and hated it .

really need to see it again to make any kind of judgement on it but it was not the film I was expecting that's for sure .

I feel the same way as well (just got back from it). Some of it was totally Star Wars yet some of it wasn't, it seemed to switch between the two ever 30 mins or so. 

Things I liked
Kylo Ren and "take off that stupid mask". It's given him the chance to be Kylo Ren rather than a budget Vader. I liked him a lot more this time and didn't know he was physically that big. 

 Luke tossing the saber, quality.

 R2s brief appearance 

Yoda, took me back to bring a kid and showed Luke not quite to be the master he's portrayed as. 

I quite liked Rose, came across OK as a Star Wars character for me. 

The end battle of Luke and Kylo. 

Didn't like
Leia. Carrie Fisher obviously had her problems but she was just poor to be honest. Conveyed 0% of the original strong woman that Leia was. 

Rey. 50/50 on this one. Sometimes great, other times as wooden as anything.  She looked too perfect, more like a model than a rebel. 

C-3PO. they've slightly changed his voice and made him even more annoying. Just fuck off

Casino was just a polished up Mos Eisley. 

Del Toro character was OK apart from his crap stutter, unconvincing acting unless I'm missing something 

ThePrettyDamned

The half in the bag review has been out for a few days - worth a watch imo, they're funny guys and pretty much bang on usually.

I have not seen the film and thus have skipped the review for now. 

sticker

Flink_Poyd said:

I feel the same way as well (just got back from it). Some of it was totally Star Wars yet some of it wasn't, it seemed to switch between the two ever 30 mins or so. 

Things I liked
Kylo Ren and "take off that stupid mask". It's given him the chance to be Kylo Ren rather than a budget Vader. I liked him a lot more this time and didn't know he was physically that big. 

 Luke tossing the saber, quality.

 R2s brief appearance 

Yoda, took me back to bring a kid and showed Luke not quite to be the master he's portrayed as. 

I quite liked Rose, came across OK as a Star Wars character for me. 

The end battle of Luke and Kylo. 

Didn't like
Leia. Carrie Fisher obviously had her problems but she was just poor to be honest. Conveyed 0% of the original strong woman that Leia was. 

Rey. 50/50 on this one. Sometimes great, other times as wooden as anything.  She looked too perfect, more like a model than a rebel. 

C-3PO. they've slightly changed his voice and made him even more annoying. Just fuck off

Casino was just a polished up Mos Eisley. 

Del Toro character was OK apart from his crap stutter, unconvincing acting unless I'm missing something 

Totally agree with everything you've said , there were 1 or 2 too many jokey bits for me too .

 I thought Leia was woeful in TFA and hoped (is that mean?) that she'd be killed off quickly and thought they had done it perfectly until she turned in to The Snowman (all that was missing was Aled Jones singing "Walking in the air").

I thought the Kylo/Rey Vs Snokes Guards battle was stunning and genuinely thrilling .

The casino/goat chase thing was a waste of time and seemed shoehorned in to show off some 3D , sell some toys and allow some sneaky cameos .

I also didn't buy that Luke looked into Kylos mind and saw a darkness worse than anything he saw before ...So worse than Vader who killed all of the younglings? ... worse than Palpatine who executed order 66 to wipe out the Jedi ? we just saw an hour before that he wasn't going to pull the trigger on Leia and so there is hope for redemption !

I will definitely be going to see it again .

Flink_Poyd

sticker said:

 I thought Leia was woeful in TFA and hoped (is that mean?) that she'd be killed off quickly and thought they had done it perfectly until she turned in to The Snowman (all that was missing was Aled Jones singing "Walking in the air").

I thought the same about Leias "death" quite a good way for her to exit, frozen forever and floating in space. Oh wait, shes back....

RaymondLin

Flink_Poyd said:

sticker said:

 I thought Leia was woeful in TFA and hoped (is that mean?) that she'd be killed off quickly and thought they had done it perfectly until she turned in to The Snowman (all that was missing was Aled Jones singing "Walking in the air").

I thought the same about Leias "death" quite a good way for her to exit, frozen forever and floating in space. Oh wait, shes back....

There are many moments I think she could have gone, but of course they didn't know she will die in real life…the best place would have been the person to man the ship to go into hyper space.  The whole captain always stays behind and the proper send off by saving everyone else…etc

Legionreturns

Finally seen it. Great film. 

Why didn't Leia freeze in the atmosphere before her Mary Poppins moment? Who knows. 

I too think the arms dealer angle was a bit weak. If the bad guys have to buy weapons...where do the dealers get them from and why haven't they come and fucked up the first order's shit? 

guitarfishbay

Honestly? If that’s the direction they’re taking I don’t think I’ll be watching any further Star Wars films at the cinema.

Rogue One, when it got going, was really good. The final battles on that were amazing.

Rey was great in this film. I felt like they wasted what they set up with Finn to make his character a jokey side plot guy. Why the girl decides she loves him after knowing him for a few hours I have no idea, even he looked confused by that. Phasma has a classic Disney death (they always fall from stuff) and was a wasted character. The rest of it felt like a kids film to sell merch. 

english_bob

So, in the middle of Christmas shopping yesterday I stopped in Smiths and had a flick through The Last Jedi: The Visual Dictionary, the little Christmas moneyspinner Disney have commissioned to accompany the film. Alongside lots of nice glossy pictures of various background characters there was a sidebar on the page about the Resistance bombers that clears up the ongoing "bombs don't drop without gravity" thing. Apparently it's a sequential electromagnetic launching mechanism that makes it look like they're all  dropping one after another, and they're guided to their targets by magnetic something or other. 

So that's that cleared up. 

WezV

Or the real reason, it’s a cool shot and it’s easy to write a scifi explanation for it.

i bet they had a meeting or two at Disney about it..

quarky

english_bob said:

So, in the middle of Christmas shopping yesterday I stopped in Smiths and had a flick through The Last Jedi: The Visual Dictionary, the little Christmas moneyspinner Disney have commissioned to accompany the film. Alongside lots of nice glossy pictures of various background characters there was a sidebar on the page about the Resistance bombers that clears up the ongoing "bombs don't drop without gravity" thing. Apparently it's a sequential electromagnetic launching mechanism that makes it look like they're all  dropping one after another, and they're guided to their targets by magnetic something or other. 

So that's that cleared up. 

Was there a planet underneath the dreadnought? That was my first thought, although relying on that wouldn't be a great design in space. There is of course always gravity in space, it is just a question over how much.

Brize

Just got back from seeing this at the cinema. To borrow a phrase, what a heap of junk.

not_the_dj

Second viewing today, this time with my 9 year old. He loved it, and I think on second viewing it was better than my initial impressions. 

Chuffola

Saw it on Wednesday and realised that I'm now too old. Good in parts (some of the battles / lightsaber duels), truly awful in others (Mary Poppins, the dreadful "comedy" in appropriate places, the entire Finn plot-line) and really quite dull for the first hour.

Frankly, I think these new ones aren't *that* much better than the prequels and the lead actors have close to zero charisma compared to the orginal Han, Leia, Luke.  That, in fact, is my biggest gripe - Kylo Ren, Rey, Finn, Poe - they are just completely lacking in ... something. Star quality? The X Factor? Personality?

I'm happy for everyone that likes it but I'll not be rushing to see it again. Interesting that some here (and some friends) have said they enjoyed it better 2nd time. Was that because you were underwhelmed 1st time and so expectations were suitably adjusted?

P.S.  What the hell is the point of Capt Phasma?  Built up as this awesome character and completely useless. Is there more to come?

P.P.S. What was Snoke then? For the "Big Bad" he was pretty shite wasn't he?