Solo of the Month (SotM) #32

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  • BarneyBarney Frets: 350
    DefaultM said:
    I like how theres a PDF. Does anyone have the theory knowledge to be able to list the scales we could use over each chord?
    over the first 8 bars try some diminished type stuff off the root ..or Bm pent or B dorian 
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 753
    edited January 13
    Barney said:
    DefaultM said:
    I like how theres a PDF. Does anyone have the theory knowledge to be able to list the scales we could use over each chord?
    over the first 8 bars try some diminished type stuff off the root ..or Bm pent or B dorian 
    Your B Dorian is my E Mixolydian

     But it's interesting how viewing the same thing from a different perspective opens up new melodic ideas.

    It's not a competition.
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 753
    edited January 13
    Barney said:
    DefaultM said:
    I like how theres a PDF. Does anyone have the theory knowledge to be able to list the scales we could use over each chord?
    over the first 8 bars try some diminished type stuff off the root ..or Bm pent or B dorian 
    @Barney can I double check that the submission I've just received is from you. You didn't give your forum name in the email. I'm guessing it is based on the diminished line at about 10s

    It's not a competition.
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  • BarneyBarney Frets: 350
    edited January 13
    Barney said:
    DefaultM said:
    I like how theres a PDF. Does anyone have the theory knowledge to be able to list the scales we could use over each chord?
    over the first 8 bars try some diminished type stuff off the root ..or Bm pent or B dorian 
    @Barney can I double check that the submission I've just received is from you. You didn't give your forum name in the email. I'm guessing it is based on the diminished line at about 10s


    Yeah it will be mate..just sent it about an hour's ago ..

    It will be my wife's name Linda ..if it's that one 
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  • BarneyBarney Frets: 350
    Are people OK with me posting entries as I receive them (as Antique_Guitars used to do), or should I hold off until the end?

    I'm inclined to post Sotm entries as I receive them, as it keeps the thread more alive, but I'll go with the majority view.
    i think its a great idea to post as you receive them think a lot more can be learned from each other that way, also they probably get listened to more than having to go through them all at the end....will keep the post alive as well and that way maybe get more people on board ...i just came across this by accident really :)

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  • DulcetJonesDulcetJones Frets: 399
    Sent.  After a few times noodling through, I seemed to settle into A minor for the whole thing.  I experimented with some of the suggestions posted so far but kept going back to A minor.  I played my Squier vintage modified Mustang through a multi effect that I built, but only used the clean boost.  The reverb is built into my pocket studio.   For the "bridge" section part way in and at the end I just moved to the 12th fret, almost sounds like a new key but it's not.

    Whoever called it "rush hour" should not be allowed to name anything else.

    Dulcet Jones Creepy Music Blog http://dulcetjones.blogspot.com/

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  • DulcetJonesDulcetJones Frets: 399
    One more detail, no pick.  I use one quite a bit when I play electric but I've dropped my pick onstage enough times to have developed a feel for playing without one.

    Whoever called it "rush hour" should not be allowed to name anything else.

    Dulcet Jones Creepy Music Blog http://dulcetjones.blogspot.com/

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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 423
    edited January 14
    That's really useful. Wish is known some of that before recording. While we're discussing theory (something I know very little about) can I ask if it's correct to view the chorus as Em? I "heard" it as a key change from E to G but referred to using Em pentatonic as Em and G major are basically the same thing.
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 753
    edited January 14
    That's really useful. Wish is known some of that before recording. While we're discussing theory (something I know very little about) can I ask if it's correct to view the chorus as Em? I "heard" it as a key change from E to G but referred to using Em pentatonic as Em and G major are basically the same thing.
    An interesting question that I don't know the answer to

    I just put some chords together that I liked and then, for the solo, tried to find groups of notes that seemed to work over the chords.
    For the solo I'm basically visualising and hearing patterns. I might give a name to a scale so that I can describe in words what I visualise and hear as my note options, but another player might put a different label on it (as we've seen in the discussion above).

    If you ignored the F chord in the chord progression, one way of viewing it is as a blues/rock type progression (i.e. E G A) and then (coincidentally) there's an interesting parallel with the discussion on the thread at the link below where @viz gives a good explanation:
    http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/121990/em-pentatonic#latest

    So one (of probably many) ways of breaking it down, is as a blues in E - but watch out for the F chord.

    It would be good if we can use Sotm as a way of sharing ideas and learning from each other.

    It's not a competition.
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 753
    edited January 14
    Barney said:
    Are people OK with me posting entries as I receive them (as Antique_Guitars used to do), or should I hold off until the end?

    I'm inclined to post Sotm entries as I receive them, as it keeps the thread more alive, but I'll go with the majority view.
    i think its a great idea to post as you receive them think a lot more can be learned from each other that way, also they probably get listened to more than having to go through them all at the end....will keep the post alive as well and that way maybe get more people on board ...i just came across this by accident really

    This was why I wondered whether we should post the Sotm entries as I receive them.

    Perhaps I'll post the Sotm entries as I receive them, unless the general consensus is that we wait. Can the entrants let me know what you think. I've already got a few views earlier in the thread.

    The options are:
    1) Post the entries to this SotM so far
    2) Wait until next month before I post as we go.  I'll make it clear in the Sotm description, then at least people will know up front before they submit an entry
    3) Not post entries until the submission deadline

    But I'll not post the entries to the other challenges (BotM, Rotm, RRotm, Composition Challenge) as we go, because these are more about original composition than playing over the same chord progression.
    It's not a competition.
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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 423
    It would be good if we can use Sotm as a way of sharing ideas and learning from each other.

    Wanting to learn through these types of challenges is the reason I joined this forum.

    I've always played in covers bands and if forced to play my own a solo I just end up working on a framework by jamming over a loop in private. Most of the no idea about modes or visualising chords.  I just try stuff out and see what sounds okay. I'd love to learn a more efficient way!
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  • Rowby1Rowby1 Frets: 365
    edited January 14
    @stratman3142  I think posting entries as they are submitted keeps the thread alive and in my case, reminds me to get on with it and enter. 

    It does provide the opportunity to listen, discuss and learn from each other too. I'd also find that useful.

    My vote is for option 1

    As the competition element is just for fun, the real value for me  is on having other people listen to and comment on what you submit. 
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  • DulcetJonesDulcetJones Frets: 399
    I'm OK with either choice, post now as they come in or all at once at a set date.  I can see the merit in posting as they come though, especially when we comment on how and why we played what we entered.  To that point, I know a lot about scales/theory but often fall back on "if it sounds right, it is right".  Quite often when I'm confronted with playing a solo over a piece of music I will just go for it with whatever pops into my head, if it sounds like it's going to work I persue it, if after a few attempts I'm floundering I research the theory and find out what's going on.  I usually hit paydirt with the first option about 75% of the time and sometimes discover that the key I chose shouldn't work according theory.(and maybe they don't and everyone is just being nice about it......)

    Whoever called it "rush hour" should not be allowed to name anything else.

    Dulcet Jones Creepy Music Blog http://dulcetjones.blogspot.com/

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  • VeganicVeganic Frets: 350
    My duty is done.

    Rough but done.

    Analysis!?!
    Er it looks like I'm using E mixolydian and E minor pentatonic is a weird call and response thing.  Switching to mostly chord tones for the 'chorus' with a bit of chromatics thrown in for a laugh. But that's all after the fact. My aim was to make something weird enough to suit the backing - if you laugh my work is done. 

    @stratman3142 ; I have no opinion on the on the post now/post later debate. Maybe slightly edging toward post now.
    Also, I have submitted as a .wav. I have always got away with this so far but let me know if it is a problem.
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    @stratman3142 ; I have no opinion on the on the post now/post later debate. Maybe slightly edging toward post now.
    Also, I have submitted as a .wav. I have always got away with this so far but let me know if it is a problem.

    No problem.

    I'll render it as an mp3 using a high quality setting (320kbps) if that's OK, just to make it consistent with the others and to reduce the file size slightly for the uploads to Soundcloud.

    So that makes 9 entries so far.

    It's not a competition.
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  • VeganicVeganic Frets: 350
    edited January 14
    Thanks. I can convert it myself but it's not easy on my phone.  Wavs seem ok for Soundcloud so I assumed it would be ok as is.  I wouldn't worry about losing any of the nuanced hi-fi qualities cos there aren't any.

    Edit: and the title should be sketch not shetch. Oops
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  • BradBrad Frets: 209
    Sent mine too. 
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  • That makes 10, so we're into double figures :)
    Keep them coming.
    It's not a competition.
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  • BradBrad Frets: 209
    For what it's worth, I think upload them as you get them too.
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5436
    Some good points made in this thread so I now think you should go ahead and upload them.  Like you and some others say, we can discuss and learn from each other.
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  • OK. It seems like the general consensus is to post Sotm as we go, so I'll try to upload them shortly. 

    Remember, the voting will occur after the submission deadline, which is 11:30pm on 24th January 2018. So there will be the opportunity to discuss what you like about the various entries on a new thread during the voting.

    On this thread, it would be good if we could keep the focus on approaches used for the solo and learning, keeping things positive and constructive.

    Feel free to submit another entry if you want to, based on what you might learn.

    I'm assuming this is OK with @TTony, as co-runner of the challenge.

    For the other challenges (BotM, Rotm, RRotm and Composition Challenge) I'll wait until after the submission deadlines.

    It's not a competition.
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  • The entries so far are now available to listen to at the end of the original post in this thread.

    It's not a competition.
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  • VeganicVeganic Frets: 350
    edited January 16
    I was just re-doing mine with a cleaner tone and hopefully slightly cleaner playing.

    Oh well.  Here it is anyway if anyone wants to compare and contrast


    Edit: nothing to see here :)
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  • stratman3142stratman3142 Frets: 753
    edited January 16
    @Veganic send me you latest solo and I'll add it to the entries in the original post.

    Do you want to submit this as a second entry or use it to replace the first?

    It's not a competition.
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  • VeganicVeganic Frets: 350
    edited January 16
    @stratman3142 ;;; I guess I should replace the one already done. I know it won't make any difference but the new one is slightly more 'cat like'

    I'll get it sent then leave it up to you.

    Edit: converted to mp3 and sent.

    Much appreciated.
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  • Veganic said:
    @stratman3142 ;;; I guess I should replace the one already done. I know it won't make any difference but the new one is slightly more 'cat like'

    I'll get it sent then leave it up to you.

    Edit: converted to mp3 and sent.

    Much appreciated.

    OK, I've added your new solo as number 11 in the list, and removed the previous solo which was number 9.

    It's not a competition.
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  • DulcetJonesDulcetJones Frets: 399
    I just sent in a new entry, this time I went with the E scale throughout, still playing the Mustang with no pick but using an octave divider and lots of reverb.  I think this one fits the backing track better.  

    Whoever called it "rush hour" should not be allowed to name anything else.

    Dulcet Jones Creepy Music Blog http://dulcetjones.blogspot.com/

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  • I just sent in a new entry, this time I went with the E scale throughout, still playing the Mustang with no pick but using an octave divider and lots of reverb.  I think this one fits the backing track better.  
    Ok. I'll replace your previous entry, unless you let me know that you want to keep both entries.
    It's not a competition.
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  • DulcetJonesDulcetJones Frets: 399
    I just sent in a new entry, this time I went with the E scale throughout, still playing the Mustang with no pick but using an octave divider and lots of reverb.  I think this one fits the backing track better.  
    Ok. I'll replace your previous entry, unless you let me know that you want to keep both entries.
    Sorry, I thought about instructing you to replace it but forgot to type it in.   Just the new one is all I want, thanks.

    Whoever called it "rush hour" should not be allowed to name anything else.

    Dulcet Jones Creepy Music Blog http://dulcetjones.blogspot.com/

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  • BradBrad Frets: 209
    edited January 18
    Anyone else like to post their approach to the solo?
    I went for two differing approaches, 1st half aiming to be melodic with intervals and chords, the 2nd half taking on a more conventional solo approach.

    For the E7 vamp, a couple of phrases with E major Pentatonic going to descending 6ths then ascending quartal voicings in E Mixolydian. The next section following the chords with drop 2 voicings.

    For the second E7 vamp, thinking of Em/minor 6 Pentatonic with a mix of the b3 and 3. At the end, I go to Fm Pentatonic resolving to Em Pentatonic finishing with alternating E and Bb triads. This leads to the next section where I'm trying to smoothly connect the chords using G lydian, F Lydian and C#m Pentatonic.
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