Recommendation for an electric guitar hanger? Hercules GSP3WB sucks!

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PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 677
I just bought a Hercules GSP3WB hanger and wish I hadn't bothered. It's this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hercules-GSP38WB-Mountable-Guitar-Hanger/dp/B0009K9MUA/

I wouldn't trust the screws that come with it, nor the mechanism, and the deal breaker is that a guitar sticks out a mile from the wall, even an acoustic. It just looks silly. What I want is:
  • No wood bracket
  • No moving parts
  • Strong
  • Doesn't stick out a mile from the wall
  • Takes electric guitar
Any recommendations?
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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 3899
    agree with you about the screws and best to use what is required subject to what you are mounting it on - wood, plasterboard, brick etc etc

    I'll only use Hercules in the shop as they don't mark the guitar/necks - many others do - I know you had that problem with your black duster, so be aware of other brands marking around a contact point - especially on soft nitro finishes - As it happens I've had no issues in 15 years with the mechanism etc, or not be strong to take what ever I put on them - But of course if they aren't suitable for you then look elsewhere - sorry I can't offer any other option
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  • PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 677
    @guitars4you Thanks for feedback, good to know the mechanism is OK over time. I won't be putting a nitro guitar on it, so I think the thing that annoys me most is how far out the guitar is from the wall.
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 5315
    Philtre said:
    @guitars4you Thanks for feedback, good to know the mechanism is OK over time. I won't be putting a nitro guitar on it, so I think the thing that annoys me most is how far out the guitar is from the wall.

    If it doesn't need to be nitro safe, just buy a cheap low profile one, I think I bought a box of 4 or 5 of them for about £20. Here's a pair of them https://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-Tiger-Guitar-Optional-Securing/dp/B00BBA857S
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  • ChrisRGChrisRG Frets: 31
    I've got 5 of those hangers and although when I first put them up, I didn't like how far out they stuck, I don't even notice now.  

    I'm with you on the screws they come with though.  I used 75mm screws for mine so hopefully they ain't going nowhere! 
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  • PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 677
    edited January 12
    I'm gonna sell it. I better make a proper sale thread for this, actually....
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 631
    I've had basses hanging on them for over a year with the stock screws and they've remained solid.

    The advantages of them being spaced from the wall (as covered in a recent thread about them) are that if you knock the guitar by accident, it will be unlikely to clatter against the wall and it is easier to grab.

    It's like when people put the toilet roll in the holder the wrong way - it might be neater against the wall but it's not as easy to grab :P 
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  • BigMonkaBigMonka Frets: 1495
    edited January 12
    I like the mechanism of the Hercules ones as they properly hold the guitar.
    But the ones that I've got at home are these "No Bull" ones which keep the guitar quite close to the wall. You need to provide your own screws though, and preferably need to find black screws to match the hanger. I don't have any nitro guitars so don't know about that side of things.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FQPITO8/

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  • ennspekennspek Frets: 988
    I like the Hercules personally.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 631
    ennspek said:
    I like the Hercules personally.
    I really like them.

    I don't think the thread title is reasonable at all; there's nothing wrong with the product, it's just that the op doesn't like that the guitar isn't held closer to the wall. The part about not trusting the screws or mechanism is just a blind guess that doesn't seem to match with the experience of users who have had them a while.

    So people researching these will find a "these suck!" thread title, yet it's not based on anything other than disliking a design feature.
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  • PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 677
    edited January 12
    thegummy said:
    ennspek said:
    I like the Hercules personally.
    I really like them.

    I don't think the thread title is reasonable at all; there's nothing wrong with the product, it's just that the op doesn't like that the guitar isn't held closer to the wall. The part about not trusting the screws or mechanism is just a blind guess that doesn't seem to match with the experience of users who have had them a while.

    So people researching these will find a "these suck!" thread title, yet it's not based on anything other than disliking a design feature.
    I strongly dislike the design feature, it looks silly. And I just tested the strength by pulling down on it - the top screw came out. You're right, it doesn't suck - it really sucks.
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  • ChrisRGChrisRG Frets: 31
    These are the screws I used.  They haven't budged so far.
    http://www.diy.com/departments/fischer-nylon-multipurpose-plug-pack-of-10/1639008_BQ.prd

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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13033
    I use them. 

    Here's a salutary lesson for you - a friend of mine fitted brackets that were closer to the wall. He had a wheelie chair in his room and was a bit too enthusiastic with his wheeling back one time - clipped the guitar which in turn clattered into the wall. As the chair applied more pressure it snapped the headstock. He was quite annoyed.

    I am a clumsy oaf and I like the fact they stick out and thus don't bash into the wall at all if I knock them.

    The mechanism is absolutely rock solid.

    And no matter what I buy I don't use stock provided screws - I use a plug and screw appropriate to the wall type - the instructions even says this 
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1202
    What wall are you fixing these too and what plugs did you use?  Got mine on a brick wall with decent plus and I could happily swing on them
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  • PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 677
    Sure, I could use better screws and rawlplugs, but the fact is I hate the way it sticks out, I hate the locking mechanism and I've ordered something else with 4 screws. Thanks for the feedback, guys, I guess we all have different needs and opinions. B)
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  • Screw mountings are a strange thing 
    We underestimate the shear force required to break a screw , but are more likely to come unstuck drilling into walls and plaster that end up being the consistency of cream cheese instead of solid brick. Getting a good drill/rawl plug /screw size match is the secret

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  • I've hung guitars that weigh the same as a small man on a Hercules hanger with no issue what so ever. As stated a lot above you just use some turbo golds and some good plugs. Simples
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 7011
    15 years using Hercules here... no issues with nitro marking, mechanism failure etc. In fact the mechanism is brilliant in that it is nigh on impossible to knock a guitar off - useful when cleaning, or with small children or being drunk etc. As for sticking out too far... hmmm, never bothered me. Each to their own etc.
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  • LegionreturnsLegionreturns Frets: 4261
    edited January 12
    I used 80mm screws and heavy duty plus to fit mine to a solid brick wall. They're going nowhere. I suspect that, like most things supplied with screws, they assume that you're going to use whatever is appropriate for the surface you're fixing to and just supply cheap ones. I knew I binned them straight away. 

    I like the distance off the wall, it stops the bottom of the guitar clattering against the wall. 


    There is nothing wrong with the product, you just don't like the design. That's fine, but it works as designed. 

    By the way, if the screw came out when you pulled on it, you either drilled the hole too big, or fitted it to a wall that wasn't the right wall for that plug / screw combination. 

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  • PhiltrePhiltre Frets: 677
    you just don't like the design.

    Yes, I think we got that. As I've made very clear. More than once. =)

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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 631
    Philtre said:
    thegummy said:
    ennspek said:
    I like the Hercules personally.
    I really like them.

    I don't think the thread title is reasonable at all; there's nothing wrong with the product, it's just that the op doesn't like that the guitar isn't held closer to the wall. The part about not trusting the screws or mechanism is just a blind guess that doesn't seem to match with the experience of users who have had them a while.

    So people researching these will find a "these suck!" thread title, yet it's not based on anything other than disliking a design feature.
    I strongly dislike the design feature, it looks silly. And I just tested the strength by pulling down on it - the top screw came out. You're right, it doesn't suck - it really sucks.
    Possibly when you re-attached it to the wall solely to "test" it, you didn't put it in properly.

    Especially when many others have used them for years with no problem what so ever.

    There's the world of difference between something "sucking" and you just personally preferring it to look neater than to be protected from being bashed against the wall. 
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  • DiscoStuDiscoStu Frets: 2767
    I'm just about to fit my Hercules hangers. I've got 60mm screws going in to the joists. If I happen to hit a hollow space then I've got tons of screw in plasterboard fixings I can use.
    I fit blinds for a living and those fixings keep even the heaviest blinds up, even with 30mm screws.

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  • WolfetoneWolfetone Frets: 918
    I thought you wanted an 'electric', guitar hanger. I thought to myself, well, there'd be a thing!


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  • musicman100musicman100 Frets: 926
    I don' like the hercules ones at all I think their crap n infact I gave three away on here. 
    I just use the cheap ebay ones mounted to a wooded rail. I've had no bother at all
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  • NiteflyNitefly Frets: 1982
    I have 6 of the Konig & Mayer ones, mounted on a masonry wall:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Konig-Meyer-16280-000-95-Holder-Guitar/dp/B003XNI1YS/ref=sr_1_23?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1515847073&sr=1-23&keywords=konig+meyer

    They've been up for 10 years or more now, still rock solid.  Also no ill-effects with nitro finishes.

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  • spark240spark240 Frets: 859
    I use Hercules slat wall hangers...no issues so far.


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  • I don' like the hercules ones at all I think their crap n infact I gave three away on here. 
    I just use the cheap ebay ones mounted to a wooded rail. I've had no bother at all
    No one cares about gretsch guitars though :-P
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  • NeilMcGNeilMcG Frets: 55
    Rule 1 of DIY: Never use the screws that come with a wall-mounting thing.

    My wife still makes me laugh by reminding me of my first ever bit of DIY when we bought our first flat back in the 80's. I put up a 4-way coathook in the hall and used the two screws that were supplied with it. Looked great and we happily loaded it up with all our coats. Sadly it fell off the wall overnight when the wallplugs pulled out of the plaster.

    I learned my lesson that day and now I always use the largest possible screws I can when fixing anything to a wall. Nothing else has ever fallen off :-)

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