Line 6 Helix type effects unit leaked....

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Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 377
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/new-line-6-hx-effects-multieffect.1904280/

Nice and compact! 

I wasn’t sold on the Helix effects but I can see this being popular. 
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    Sssh. ;-)

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  • BGGBGG Frets: 382
    If it's real sign me up.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 15382
    More info ...


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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 2585
    edited January 20
    Loops? What a time to be alive for a guitar player.
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 261
    edited January 20
    WANT

    Looks spot on. If there’s nothing outrageous in the spec and it’s not obscenely expensive then you’ll likely see my pedal collection on the forum classifieds very shortly...

    Edit: would $600 put it at £550ish?? That is a lot...
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 8886
    But is the Whammy model still shite? (assuming it's available with an exp pedal, obviously)
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  • WANT

    Looks spot on. If there’s nothing outrageous in the spec and it’s not obscenely expensive then you’ll likely see my pedal collection on the forum classifieds very shortly...

    Edit: would $600 put it at £550ish?? That is a lot...
    It is and it isn't. 
    It's no more expensive than a h9. 

    However... I don't think the effects are good enough personally. That could change in time though
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • dindudedindude Frets: 5199
    WANT

    Looks spot on. If there’s nothing outrageous in the spec and it’s not obscenely expensive then you’ll likely see my pedal collection on the forum classifieds very shortly...

    Edit: would $600 put it at £550ish?? That is a lot...
    The LT seems to be $999 in the US, so considering the LT can be had for under £700 here, I have higher hopes of £400 - £450.
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  • The full fat Helix is fantastic in terms of form and function, and the M series was beautifully intuitive. This looks like an awesome combination of both. If I ever ditch my Helix and go back to the traditional setup I'll be having one of these.
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 261
    edited January 20
    WANT

    Looks spot on. If there’s nothing outrageous in the spec and it’s not obscenely expensive then you’ll likely see my pedal collection on the forum classifieds very shortly...

    Edit: would $600 put it at £550ish?? That is a lot...
    It is and it isn't. 
    It's no more expensive than a h9. 

    However... I don't think the effects are good enough personally. That could change in time though
    Interesting that you don't consider the effects up to much. I came to the conclusion that I'd been far too arsey in the past about having an effect that was 'good enough'. I miss my M9 and having a cheapo Zoom Multistomp recently put my snobbery in ts place. I'll be keeping my Timmy and El Capistan, but everything else is on the block once I've have a chance to play them side by side...

    Edit: and the H9 has never even crossed my consciousness as a possible purchase, solely because of the price!
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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 377
    Does it have loops like the Boss MS3?
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  • sgosdensgosden Frets: 584
    Id be very surprised if this didn't have some midi capability and pre/post for 4CM.
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 6822
    The idea of a Helix FX/ Helix level replacement for the M series got mooted about five minutes after the original Helix was released. Be interesting to see and I’m already looking forward to the Headrush equivalent at NAMM 2019. 
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  • guitargeek62guitargeek62 Frets: 1586
    edited January 21
    Pretty stoked about this one - I loved my Helix but because I basically use one amp sound 99% of the time it always felt like overkill. Similarly, there were some effects that it didn't have, and I felt a bit silly having the Helix plus one or two stomps for a simple home-rig!

    Given the updates and additions to the HX firmware since I sold mine, I could quite happily go down to this unit plus an expression pedal and an amp, and be incredibly content. 

    *edit* If it's got power out/daisy-chaining then that would be even more amazing...

    *edit2* Presumably we'll see an HX Amps unit at some point too, if not an actual Line 6 amp with HX modelling inside
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 5638
    The idea of a Helix FX/ Helix level replacement for the M series got mooted about five minutes after the original Helix was released. Be interesting to see and I’m already looking forward to the Headrush equivalent at NAMM 2019. 
    Is headrush still a thing? Thought it had sunk without trace, it's hardly ever mentioned.
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2137

    I don’t think £550 is overly expansive when compared to single units like the timeline at £430, or the 1-effect-at-a-time H9, which costs more.

    Also note new reverbs are due any time soon which could bring the overall average effect quality up a step also.
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  • Are the helix effects top notch?

    I bagged a M9 a couple of years back and thought the effects were a bit naff so sold it on quickly 

    I had several of the tone core series pedals and the echo park and verbzilla were great. The M9 delays and verbs were naff. 

    Is the Axe fx version a better option?
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  • Are the helix effects top notch?

    I bagged a M9 a couple of years back and thought the effects were a bit naff so sold it on quickly 

    I had several of the tone core series pedals and the echo park and verbzilla were great. The M9 delays and verbs were naff. 

    Is the Axe fx version a better option?
    What are your needs? I’ve got an Axe FX2 and the Helix plugin.

    For me the delays are great on both.

    Currently the reverbs are stronger on Fractal but the L6 stuff is usable.

    I’m not much a user of modulation so I’m not your guy for answering that.

    I prefer almost all distortion and overdrive from Fractal, the fuzzes seem ok on both though I don’t use them much. The only exception is bass sounds - better range on the L6 and it sounds good too.

    The FX8 has some routing limitations compared to a Helix though it’s not clear what the routing capabilities of the new L6 effects unit will be.

    All IMO YMMV etc
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 6822
    The idea of a Helix FX/ Helix level replacement for the M series got mooted about five minutes after the original Helix was released. Be interesting to see and I’m already looking forward to the Headrush equivalent at NAMM 2019. 
    Is headrush still a thing? Thought it had sunk without trace, it's hardly ever mentioned.
    They still seem to exist, although they don't seem to get much mention on here. I think the idea was that Headrush would be a line of products and not just the one big box so a Headrush FX seems possible. 
    I feel the warm, healing, liquid presence of God’s genuine cold-filtered grace. 
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  • Are the helix effects top notch?

    I bagged a M9 a couple of years back and thought the effects were a bit naff so sold it on quickly 

    I had several of the tone core series pedals and the echo park and verbzilla were great. The M9 delays and verbs were naff. 

    Is the Axe fx version a better option?
    What are your needs? I’ve got an Axe FX2 and the Helix plugin.

    For me the delays are great on both.

    Currently the reverbs are stronger on Fractal but the L6 stuff is usable.

    I’m not much a user of modulation so I’m not your guy for answering that.

    I prefer almost all distortion and overdrive from Fractal, the fuzzes seem ok on both though I don’t use them much. The only exception is bass sounds - better range on the L6 and it sounds good too.

    The FX8 has some routing limitations compared to a Helix though it’s not clear what the routing capabilities of the new L6 effects unit will be.

    All IMO YMMV etc

    I just use delays and verbs really but need to be quality fx. I just use the other effects ever now and then for ideas 
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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1340
    Looks interesting :)
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1205
    I love my Helix so much I sold all my amps, so have no use for this.  However, the FX on the Helix are IMO excellent and there's zillions of them, if I were still using an amp I'd definitely buy one.  What I want is a mini Helix, 1 CPU, less flexibility but this footprint, looks like I'm still waiting :(
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  • I don’t think £550 is overly expansive when compared to single units like the timeline at £430, or the 1-effect-at-a-time H9, which costs more.

    Also note new reverbs are due any time soon which could bring the overall average effect quality up a step also.
    The h9 doesn't do one effect at a time. Multiple algorithms have multiple effects.
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2137

    I don’t think £550 is overly expansive when compared to single units like the timeline at £430, or the 1-effect-at-a-time H9, which costs more.

    Also note new reverbs are due any time soon which could bring the overall average effect quality up a step also.
    The h9 doesn't do one effect at a time. Multiple algorithms have multiple effects.
    All multi fx units do to be fair, even the zoom units do.  Difference with this is you will be able independently switch each effect on a unit like this.  Eventide do have some pretty interesting algorithms with multiple effects so I'm not knocking them, but you can build equally interesting effects up in the Helix.

    As for quality of effects, like most mfx, some are better in one area and some in another.  The Helix definitely need more interesting ambient verbs, which I hope are coming in the next firmware upgrade.  
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 6822
    The idea of a Helix FX/ Helix level replacement for the M series got mooted about five minutes after the original Helix was released. Be interesting to see and I’m already looking forward to the Headrush equivalent at NAMM 2019. 
    Is headrush still a thing? Thought it had sunk without trace, it's hardly ever mentioned.
    They still seem to exist, although they don't seem to get much mention on here. I think the idea was that Headrush would be a line of products and not just the one big box so a Headrush FX seems possible. 
    Sorry, just warming to my own theme - if I had been in charge of Headrush ( in what bizzare scenario I don't know) I might have tried to beat Line 6 on the draw to this. Clearly they haven't. 
    I feel the warm, healing, liquid presence of God’s genuine cold-filtered grace. 
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 261
    edited January 21
    I’m surprised so many people are asking for it with all the amps etc installed, the LT is less than £700 - the point of this is to replace a pedal board and nothing more. Also surprised that people are expecting it to have so many loops and midi etc - I’d be surprised if it had any more than two loops (or one stereo loop) and midi must be a requirement of such a small proportion of the guitar playing community that it would make sense to force them up toward either the higher end full fat helix options. 

    Just my opinion, of course!

    Edit - this post is as much a vent after having read multiple pages of the TGP thread on the subject. Boy do those guys know how to be dicks about a cool new product. As you were. 
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    Thursday isn't far away. ;-)

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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1205
    I’m surprised so many people are asking for it with all the amps etc installed, the LT is less than £700 - the point of this is to replace a pedal board and nothing more. Also surprised that people are expecting it to have so many loops and midi etc - I’d be surprised if it had any more than two loops (or one stereo loop) and midi must be a requirement of such a small proportion of the guitar playing community that it would make sense to force them up toward either the higher end full fat helix options. 

    Just my opinion, of course!

    Edit - this post is as much a vent after having read multiple pages of the TGP thread on the subject. Boy do those guys know how to be dicks about a cool new product. As you were. 
    It's the footprint I like, the Helix is great, but we play some tiny pubs where it gets trampled on.  Also for most gigs I'd ba happy with less flexibility, just a few basic sounds.  It wouldn't replace my Helix, just provide an option for smaller gigs, 
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  • I don’t think £550 is overly expansive when compared to single units like the timeline at £430, or the 1-effect-at-a-time H9, which costs more.

    Also note new reverbs are due any time soon which could bring the overall average effect quality up a step also.
    The h9 doesn't do one effect at a time. Multiple algorithms have multiple effects.
    All multi fx units do to be fair, even the zoom units do.  Difference with this is you will be able independently switch each effect on a unit like this.  Eventide do have some pretty interesting algorithms with multiple effects so I'm not knocking them, but you can build equally interesting effects up in the Helix.

    As for quality of effects, like most mfx, some are better in one area and some in another.  The Helix definitely need more interesting ambient verbs, which I hope are coming in the next firmware upgrade.  
    I have to say owning both a h9 and a helix I personally feel eventide have absolutely battered line 6 in terms of quality effects. All opinion I know but so far I don't ever really find myself using the inbuilt effects on the helix because they've been quite disappointing. 
    Still love the h9
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    I would agree that the H9 is better at cleaner studio style effects but I couldn't ever get mine to sound like what I was used to. Eventide, Lexicon and the like are fantastic at the crystal clear delays and reverbs but thats not what you would get from a Memory Man, Echoplex or even a DD3. They have a charm which Line 6 have always managed to capture for good and for bad. Yes there are straight digital delays and reverbs but I would say (my opinion and mine alone) that Line 6 have always geared towards more guitar fx rather than studio. What the update will do for this I don't know. I've never had any problem with the fx but my needs are really simple. 

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