Line 6 Helix HX effects unit leaked....

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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1413
    Thanks for that and all your updates. They've been very useful.

    So do you perceive that if you don't have an Effects Loop and just plug straight into the front of your valve amp, all should be ok?

    Sorry, I don't know too much about this side of things and I've used effects loops in the past without any issues (plugged in a Quadraverb, Intellifex into a Boogie - told you it was a while back) but for quite a few years now, I've gone through the front end and clean channel of most amps I've had, not utilising the amp overdrive and done things solely via my pedalboard.
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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 40

    Kebabkid It should be ok. I'd suggest trying it out with your amp or using distance selling regs to try it.

    It is a bit annoying though. The HX is designed to be used with an amp. It has to be used with an amp!. Line 6 spout off about 4 cable and 7 cable method but haven't provisioned for the problems that are inherent with these setups. I'm happy to try and solve it and the added cost is negligible but it means it is no longer a one box solution and I fear a lot of people will be put off.

    Even if its not a fault of the unit, I imagine many would expect it to work as advertised without using workarounds.

    After all that it still sounds phenomenal

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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1413
    Cheers :)
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 3874
    I must say, having owned the Helix LT and Full Fat, I think this new HX looks interesting....

    I was never that impressed with the amp modelling but the fx were always good, but the routing was the helix strength.

    Closer to £400 and this looks like a LOT of gear for the money
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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 40
    Noise update for anyone who is interested....
    The Behringer Hum Destroyer arrived today and sorts out all the noise meaning that as I suspected it is not the HX itself that is producing noise but ground loops from what it is connected to. I know Behringer isn't exactly renowned for 'tonal integrity' or haunting mids but I didn't notice any sound change or tone loss with it and it gives you  a balanced out to go into a daw for direct recording.
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    edited March 10
    So, I went to try a HX this morning and went back and forth with my main pedals and the equivalents in the HX.

    I could get the Teemah to sound very similar to my Timmy, though the model was a bit brighter and grittier and the pedal a bit thicker sounding - I might have slightly preferred the Teemah to the real deal but I could generally dial one in to sound like the other. Stacking them was awesome! The Vermin model wasn't a patch on my WF Rat, no contest the 'real deal' won out there - a lot more definition, thicker mids and more 'natural'. The HX model was also very noisy compared to my pedal. The transistor tape delay was nice but the El Capistan had something extra for certain - everything was richer and the El Cap obviously has more flexibility.

    Some of the other effects sounded great however there was more tweakability here than the m-series modellers I've used, however it misses out on the straight 'plug and play' aspect of the M9, for example. I guess that's what comes with such flexibility and power! No extra noise or anything and the unit was solid.

    Overall, this thing was great and very flexible. However, I didn't buy it. Very close, but for 90% of what I use, i.e. the Timmy, Rat and El Capistan, I'm going to stick with what I've got for the time being. Interested to hear others' opinions .
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  • Hjellybelly said:
    So, I went to try a HX this morning and went back and forth with my main pedals and the equivalents in the HX.

    I could get the Teemah to sound very similar to my Timmy, though the model was a bit brighter and grittier and the pedal a bit thicker sounding - I might have slightly preferred the Teemah to the real deal but I could generally dial one in to sound like the other. Stacking them was awesome! The Vermin model wasn't a patch on my WF Rat, no contest the 'real deal' won out there - a lot more definition, thicker mids and more 'natural'. The HX model was also very noisy compared to my pedal. The transistor tape delay was nice but the El Capistan had something extra for certain - everything was richer and the El Cap obviously has more flexibility.

    Some of the other effects sounded great however there was more tweakability here than the m-series modellers I've used, however it misses out on the straight 'plug and play' aspect of the M9, for example. I guess that's what comes with such flexibility and power! No extra noise or anything and the unit was solid.

    Overall, this thing was great and very flexible. However, I didn't buy it. Very close, but for 90% of what I use, i.e. the Timmy, Rat and El Capistan, I'm going to stick with what I've got for the time being. Interested to hear others' opinions .
    Having owned a Helix and El Cap at the same time I would ask in which way you think the El cap had more flexibility?

    Tone wise I used to agree with you but having had time to live with the Helix model I think I now get better results with it
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    Hjellybelly said:
    So, I went to try a HX this morning and went back and forth with my main pedals and the equivalents in the HX.

    I could get the Teemah to sound very similar to my Timmy, though the model was a bit brighter and grittier and the pedal a bit thicker sounding - I might have slightly preferred the Teemah to the real deal but I could generally dial one in to sound like the other. Stacking them was awesome! The Vermin model wasn't a patch on my WF Rat, no contest the 'real deal' won out there - a lot more definition, thicker mids and more 'natural'. The HX model was also very noisy compared to my pedal. The transistor tape delay was nice but the El Capistan had something extra for certain - everything was richer and the El Cap obviously has more flexibility.

    Some of the other effects sounded great however there was more tweakability here than the m-series modellers I've used, however it misses out on the straight 'plug and play' aspect of the M9, for example. I guess that's what comes with such flexibility and power! No extra noise or anything and the unit was solid.

    Overall, this thing was great and very flexible. However, I didn't buy it. Very close, but for 90% of what I use, i.e. the Timmy, Rat and El Capistan, I'm going to stick with what I've got for the time being. Interested to hear others' opinions .
    Having owned a Helix and El Cap at the same time I would ask in which way you think the El cap had more flexibility?

    Tone wise I used to agree with you but having had time to live with the Helix model I think I now get better results with it
    The ability to affect tape age, low end contour, tape bias and the spring reverb get quite a few subtle differences whereas the line 6 was simpler - perhaps better for it in some cases! The detail with things like the wow and flutter was definitely there in the repeats of the El Cap, and it degraded in a nicer way. Hard to explain exactly but I can absolutely see why the HX tape delay might be preferable - it was clearer and on the bright side - I had to set the tape age below 9 o’clock on the El Cap for similar EQ and clarity.  Hope that helps!
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  • Hjellybelly said:
    So, I went to try a HX this morning and went back and forth with my main pedals and the equivalents in the HX.

    I could get the Teemah to sound very similar to my Timmy, though the model was a bit brighter and grittier and the pedal a bit thicker sounding - I might have slightly preferred the Teemah to the real deal but I could generally dial one in to sound like the other. Stacking them was awesome! The Vermin model wasn't a patch on my WF Rat, no contest the 'real deal' won out there - a lot more definition, thicker mids and more 'natural'. The HX model was also very noisy compared to my pedal. The transistor tape delay was nice but the El Capistan had something extra for certain - everything was richer and the El Cap obviously has more flexibility.

    Some of the other effects sounded great however there was more tweakability here than the m-series modellers I've used, however it misses out on the straight 'plug and play' aspect of the M9, for example. I guess that's what comes with such flexibility and power! No extra noise or anything and the unit was solid.

    Overall, this thing was great and very flexible. However, I didn't buy it. Very close, but for 90% of what I use, i.e. the Timmy, Rat and El Capistan, I'm going to stick with what I've got for the time being. Interested to hear others' opinions .
    Having owned a Helix and El Cap at the same time I would ask in which way you think the El cap had more flexibility?

    Tone wise I used to agree with you but having had time to live with the Helix model I think I now get better results with it
    The ability to affect tape age, low end contour, tape bias and the spring reverb get quite a few subtle differences whereas the line 6 was simpler - perhaps better for it in some cases! The detail with things like the wow and flutter was definitely there in the repeats of the El Cap, and it degraded in a nicer way. Hard to explain exactly but I can absolutely see why the HX tape delay might be preferable - it was clearer and on the bright side - I had to set the tape age below 9 o’clock on the El Cap for similar EQ and clarity.  Hope that helps!
    Yeah I’ll agree with most of that. I liked the El Cap in isolation more than the Transistor Tape but I had to eventually admit to myself that the Line 6 actually sounded better in a band context.


    Can you mot change the tape age on the Line 6? I thought you could. I’m sure it has high and low cuts as well. Remember that you can mix in parallel with an eq and reverb, run two tape delays in parallel, or several in series 

    both awesome effects although the Strymon is more immediately satisfying 
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  • thomasw88thomasw88 Frets: 748
    extremely tempted by this, and the size of it looks great compared to the whales of the other floor helix's.


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  • thomasw88thomasw88 Frets: 748
    even by my standards that was crap will power...

    ordered one last night (no alcohol involved).

    FIrst multi FX since a fruitless adventure with the fractal FX8 ( just over a year ago.)

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  • I've got one coming this week, hopefully get it up and running for my gig on Saturday.
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  • thomasw88thomasw88 Frets: 748
    it arrived today.  will give it a blast through tonight, tho will have to be into a line 6gx/laptop headphones jobs as I have no amp here.

    hoping this will be the one to declutter the pedalboard!
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  • thomasw88thomasw88 Frets: 748
    had a play for a couple of hours tonight.   Compared to the FX8 its a piece of piss to dial in sounds, so much easier interface.  

    Drives sound genearlly ok,  delays are good, modulations - not so sure it'll replace my strymon mobius at the moment, but we'll see, too early to tell.
    Reverbs, and compressions are good.

    big test for me is playing it in a band environment, thats why I got rid of the FX8 as I was spending all my time fiddling with the damn thing.

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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 40
    So The HX is going back.
    It's a real shame but the ground loop noise is a real downer. I've had it before with other units, I don't think its the HX's fault but having to have a transformer isolation box and the a di box on the pedal board is about the same size and weight as my old pedalboard and to have to factor in the wall wart as well.......


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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 477
    I decided to stick with normal pedals and bought two Thorpyfx pedals instead.
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 6980
    So The HX is going back.
    It's a real shame but the ground loop noise is a real downer. I've had it before with other units, I don't think its the HX's fault but having to have a transformer isolation box and the a di box on the pedal board is about the same size and weight as my old pedalboard and to have to factor in the wall wart as well.......
    The Orchid Iso boxes are pretty small if you haven’t seen them before. I’ve got a couple of them, they’re useful.



    http://orchid-electronics.co.uk/trans.htm
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 11762
    So The HX is going back.
    It's a real shame but the ground loop noise is a real downer. I've had it before with other units, I don't think its the HX's fault but having to have a transformer isolation box and the a di box on the pedal board is about the same size and weight as my old pedalboard and to have to factor in the wall wart as well.......
    The Orchid Iso boxes are pretty small if you haven’t seen them before. I’ve got a couple of them, they’re useful.



    http://orchid-electronics.co.uk/trans.htm
    Yep, I've got one of the singles and one of the doubles. Whether I'm gigging or recording, I always have one with me...proved useful a few times, especially with shared backlines.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • newi123newi123 Frets: 343
    I'm liking it so far, straight into amp so no noise issues. First gig tomorrow night.

    It does take 2 attempts to boot sometimes tho!
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  • Does make you wonder if really would have been that hard to put in a ground lift switch 
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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2184
    Does make you wonder if really would have been that hard to put in a ground lift switch 
    I can’t think of a multi fx that does
    probablt because in a standard guitar lead there isn’t really a ground to lift
    I suppose building galvanic isolated sockets would be too bulky 
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  • Cabicular said:
    Does make you wonder if really would have been that hard to put in a ground lift switch 
    I can’t think of a multi fx that does
    probablt because in a standard guitar lead there isn’t really a ground to lift
    I suppose building galvanic isolated sockets would be too bulky 
    When a device is designed for 4cm or even 5cm it’s weird they haven’t done it. I’m still running around with an EbTech Hum eliminator to gigs which weighs the same as a house brick and there £15 DI boxes out there with ground lifts. Don’t get it
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  • newi123newi123 Frets: 343
    edited March 29
    So I returned mine. 

    After the joys of updating It, it still didn't boot reliably every time. Frequently had to start it 2 or 3 times to get it to load. Also some noise on occasion in use. Seemed random. Overall didn't inspire confidence as a 1 stop gig solution. Was impressed by the overall sound tho.

    Other issue I had is the buttons are surprisingly close together. Enought so to hit the wrong one whilst playing and singing - and I only have size 9s 

    So figured that if I'm only going to use it as a pedal board, i'd prob stick to a basic pedal board!
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  • mattismetalmattismetal Frets: 40
    It can be done. The venerable digitech gsp1101 was designed for 4 cable method and I never got any noise on the balanced or unbalanced ins and outs.
    boss gt100 has a ground lift on the send/return. Again no noise
    fractal have the hum buster system thing.not tried it.
    the fact these other companies have included these shows that they acknowledge the potential for ground loops.
    the hx was horrendously noisy with my orange amp. Unusable without workarounds which is a shame as I thought the interface and sounds were spot on.

    The difference with these other units is obviously the size.

    There’s some grounding problem somewhere imo. At least with my unit. Whenever I touched one of the foot switches there was an audible buzz even on a clean sound.
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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 477

    Noise issue - response on TGP from Line 6:

    "Ok guys on the hiss issue:
    It’s extremely rare (roughly 0.5%, or 1 out of every 200 HX Effects units sold), but certain specific combinations of HX Effects units populated with out-of-spec parts and amplifiers and/or hookup configurations can manifest notable white noise and/or other unsavory audio artifacts. If your particular setup happens to exhibit this behavior, please contact Line 6 customer support, as we currently have a solution. We have also updated our manufacturing and testing process to ensure no future units exhibit this behavior, regardless of configuration.

    If you’ve already logged a ticket, sit tight—someone will be contacting you.

    And if you’re one of the lucky 99.5%, continue playing as normal. Or depending on your chops, maybe better than normal.

    We apologize for any inconvenience this issue may have caused. The guys will let you know how sorry we/I am and we will make it right for you. Thank you for your patience. I know it seemed like we took a long time and that’s because we did. We wanted to make sure we replicated all the configs and were able to isolate the issue."

     

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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1413
    Fair play
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 3874
    So how many of you have actually bought and kept the Helix HX ?

    Seems a lot of unit for the money if it suits your rig...
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  • thomasw88thomasw88 Frets: 748
    I stil have it. I think its got potential. So far id say drives are more usable than fx8, delays and mods not as good. But the routing and usability of it seem better and its less faffy than the fx8.
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  • nick79nick79 Frets: 142
    Can you load an impulse response into it so you can go straight into a pa or recording software on pc? 
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  • nick79 said:
    Can you load an impulse response into it so you can go straight into a pa or recording software on pc? 
    Yeah it will load IR’s but doesn’t have any amp models
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