Line 6 Helix type effects unit leaked....

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  • See for me, I still think pound for pound the m series sounds better/more guitar fx like than helix.

    Don't get me wrong as recording device I really do like my helix a lot. It's been unbelievably handy. Unfortunately I'm just not liking the drives, they just don't sound right to me. The delays don't have the charm of the dl-4. I do think the mods are better on the helix than the mm4 but I'm not a big mod fan and I will always use my moogerfoogers for recording mod sounds. Pitch... Bless it, tracking is not it's strong point. 
    I really hope the fm4 gets ported over.

    I will acknowledge that the firmware updates have improved the helix no end. I got a first release one and really didn't like it. I'm confident it will keep improving and I am interested to see whats in the next update
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 5638
    I'm different again. Love helix delays. As good as any. Had good results with the drives. Think mod and reverb are the weakest though perfectly functional. 
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  • @Teetonetal Patrick fella, what drives do you use? I find the klon is about the only usable one and tend to tweak a driven amp instead.

    Might just be me but I do struggle for a nice crunch and alot of the amps seem to be geared for Uber gain?
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 12804
    I like the Rat into the Matchless for crunch.
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • simonksimonk Frets: 1084
    Plexi Bright crunches up nicely... sprinkle with Kinky Boost, Minotaur and 808 to taste.
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 5638
    edited January 21
    @meltedbuzzbox I'm more or less using the box ac 30 sim for everything except higher gain stuff. It's set to be a bit clean with SC or crunchy with HB - then I've had good results with using the pedal sims to push it.  Had good results with Stupor, Compulsive and also the KWB (my favourite). I've not liked the Klon ( I think because I use a soul food) or the valve driver. I'm not a RAT guy at all, so never go there.

    I really use helix much the same way as I do real amps - I prefer getting the drive out of the amp then pushing with ODs for more crunch or gain.
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  • @meltedbuzzbox I'm more or less using the box ac 30 sim for everything except higher gain stuff. It's set to be a bit clean with SC or crunchy with HB - then I've had good results with using the pedal sims to push it.  Had good results with Stupor, Compulsive and also the KWB (my favourite).

    I really use helix much the same way as I do real amps - I prefer getting the drive out of the amp then pushing with ODs for more crunch or gain.
    Ok. Intend to start with a sparkly clean hiwatt or ac30 so I guess that could explain the gritty, almost harsh sound I get from the pedals
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 7017
     I would say (my opinion and mine alone) that Line 6 have always geared towards more guitar fx rather than studio. 
    Ironic considering where Marcus started... (for those that don't know, he was behind the Alesis Midiverb, Microverb, Quadraverb etc).

    I'll be honest - this does look interesting. The M13 is the best box Line6 ever made IMHO (then I would say that, wouldn't I?) and my (prototype!!) still gets taken to jams and gigs where I may be slightly out of my normal comfort zone... its a great swiss army knife.


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  • Daved756Daved756 Frets: 73
    I want one 
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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 1649
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
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  • Digital_IglooDigital_Igloo Frets: 223
    edited January 27
    sweepy said:
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
    Now all one needs to know is... what it is and what its capabilities are.
    Chief Product Design Architect, Yamaha Guitar Group / Line 6
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  • handsomerikhandsomerik Frets: 523
    Doesn’t seem like too much to me when you consider where it sits alongside helix and helix lt. Also considering the price of a single strymon and how much more this (probably) has. 
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    sweepy said:
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
    You don't know how much it is yet. 

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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 1649
    sweepy said:
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
    You don't know how much it is yet. 
    I thought that that was mentioned earlier $599 ?
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    sweepy said:
    sweepy said:
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
    You don't know how much it is yet. 
    I thought that that was mentioned earlier $599 ?
    That's what GC have it for. Remember, MAP is used in the US but not here. Depending on what retailers decide to sell it for, it could be £599 or it could be £399 or it could be £435 etc etc. Let's see what happens Thursday. If it's a thing of course! ;-)

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  • sweepy said:
    sweepy said:
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
    You don't know how much it is yet. 
    I thought that that was mentioned earlier $599 ?
    That's what GC have it for. Remember, MAP is used in the US but not here. Depending on what retailers decide to sell it for, it could be £599 or it could be £399 or it could be £435 etc etc. Let's see what happens Thursday. If it's a thing of course! ;-)

    I'll offer you £30 and all my leftover mince pies from Christmas?
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    sweepy said:
    sweepy said:
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
    You don't know how much it is yet. 
    I thought that that was mentioned earlier $599 ?
    That's what GC have it for. Remember, MAP is used in the US but not here. Depending on what retailers decide to sell it for, it could be £599 or it could be £399 or it could be £435 etc etc. Let's see what happens Thursday. If it's a thing of course! ;-)

    I'll offer you £30 and all my leftover mince pies from Christmas?
    Pigs in blankets or no deal. 

    I play guitar and take photos of stuff. I also like beans on toast.

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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 11568
    sweepy said:
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
    As I've said elsewhere...there is no official UK pricing yet, but given that the LT is $999 and £685, that would imply that this will be around the £410 mark.

    So...are you saying it's not expensive enough? :D
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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 377
    Fair play at that price! 
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1205
    As Ross said, we don't really know what it is yet, it looks to me like Line 6s answer to. FX8, if it's anything like the suggested price,  that looks cheap to me.  That said, I hope I'm wrong and it's the mini Helix I 'need'
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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 1649
    It might lead to a fire sale of interesting pedals as there was when the Axe-Fx and Helix were released
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  • SloojSlooj Frets: 8
    I had the Helix LT for a while but didn’t like any of the drive models that much. Currently I own a Fractal FX8 which I guess is the direct comparison to this Line6 offering. The drive pedals in the Fractal are superior to the Line6 imho. However, if you’re just after a multi fx without a massive amount of presets and can live with its arcane interface, check out the TC Nova System. It has arguably better reverbs and delays than both Line6 and Fractal, it’s pitch block is unarguably miles better than the FX8 and it’s overdrive and distortion block is all fantastic sounding analog goodness. If it had more presets or something similar to Fractal’s scenes or Line6’s snapshots, I wouldn’t have bothered with the LT or the FX8. They’re cheap as chips too and loads of them around. 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 12804
    sweepy said:
    Still far too much money for what it is, £425 and it would clean up
    Have you see the full specs yet?

    If not it seems early to judge "what it is"?
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • CabicularCabicular Frets: 2161
    Slooj said:
    I had the Helix LT for a while but didn’t like any of the drive models that much. Currently I own a Fractal FX8 which I guess is the direct comparison to this Line6 offering. The drive pedals in the Fractal are superior to the Line6 imho. However, if you’re just after a multi fx without a massive amount of presets and can live with its arcane interface, check out the TC Nova System. It has arguably better reverbs and delays than both Line6 and Fractal, it’s pitch block is unarguably miles better than the FX8 and it’s overdrive and distortion block is all fantastic sounding analog goodness. If it had more presets or something similar to Fractal’s scenes or Line6’s snapshots, I wouldn’t have bothered with the LT or the FX8. They’re cheap as chips too and loads of them around. 
    Having owned both I couldn’t disagree more
    i liked the FX8 but I really struggled with the drives
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  • guitargeek62guitargeek62 Frets: 1586
    Even at the basic level, I would be happy to pay £400 for Helix-quality effects, the scribble strips, and some basic IO options - a loop or two, amp control, exp input perhaps. My upper limit is probably £550, because at that point you may as well buy an LT, so I won’t be surprised if it comes out at closer to £400, and any less than that will have me pre-ordering one without even reading the specs.
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  • FiftyshadesofjayFiftyshadesofjay Frets: 458
    edited January 22
    The unknown price is definitely far too expensive considering it’s feature set, which nobody actually knows yet. Love the internet!

    In my opinion this thing will be ace with my Kemper, definitely keeping an eye on it. 
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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    I have a fairly intensive rehearsal Thursday but I will do my best to be on hand to answer any questions about what may or may not be released. 

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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    Same goes for the Yamaha stuff. 

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  • rossyamaharossyamaha Frets: 1522
    And they’re not even fucking paying me for it!! 

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  • And they’re not even fucking paying me for it!! 
    Me neither, brother. Does this rehearsal imply that you're not at NAMM this year?
    Chief Product Design Architect, Yamaha Guitar Group / Line 6
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