Strat 2/4 positions - overrated

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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 31573
    jpfamps said:

    Just the 3 pickup settings.

    Didn't Blackmore have the middle pickup disconnected?
    Yes. As far as I know his guitars are wired (modern) Tele-style.
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  • thebreezethebreeze Frets: 837
    I like all the positions for various reasons, my favourite being neck and middle together. I would say I use middle on it’s own the least probably (although remain undecided as to whether I prefer playing Sultans of Swing on middle and bridge or just middle on it’s own...).

    As ever, in relation to OP’s current observations, I would say don’t underestimate the tonal effect of different amps.  Some amps can really bring out the richness or subtleties of the pickups whereas another amp may tend to make some sound muddier or non-descript.
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  • NeillNeill Frets: 372
    Jimmie Vaughn say positions 2 and 4 are for wimps.  That's good enough for me.
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  • LebarqueLebarque Frets: 807
    Wot no mention of Knopfler yet?
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  • LebarqueLebarque Frets: 807
    I use a superswitch so that there is no tone pot on the 'in between' positions. It gives them the little kick in volume and presence they need. 'Scott Henderson' wiring I believe.
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  • lukedlblukedlb Frets: 168
    Get some axis bold as love lp tones with 2 and 4. I reckon you’ve either got poor pickups or their heights are wrong. You can go more robert cray if you increase the middle height. 
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  • clarkefanclarkefan Frets: 414
    For me the bridge/middle sound is the only sound Strats bring to the table, it's unique and fantastic.  The others are doable better elsewhere or useless.  

    I never got the middle pickup only thing but Gary Moore used it a lot so what do I know :)
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2391
    Damn, just realised I've been getting things the wrong way around with Strats. I though Bridge and Middle was Position 2 and Neck and Middle was Position 4. I also thought that H.S.S meant Humbucker in the Bridge, but that is S.S.H?

    Or am I still wrong?
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  • AlnicoAlnico Frets: 4155
    edited February 14
    Damn, just realised I've been getting things the wrong way around with Strats. I though Bridge and Middle was Position 2 and Neck and Middle was Position 4. I also thought that H.S.S meant Humbucker in the Bridge, but that is S.S.H?

    Or am I still wrong?
    Shops and manufacturers describe it as "HSS" because we look at them from the front, so left to right make sense that way.
    Players call the switching the other way around because they look down on the guitar and call it from left to right as they see it.

    At least that's what I always just assumed.
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  • VoxmanVoxman Frets: 1981
    ICBM said:
    Does your Strat have the ‘Delta Tone’ hotter-wound bridge pickup? If so that’s why the bridge/middle sound is muddy.

    Normally it’s horribly thin and clicky :).

    I’m not normally much of a fan either, but they do have their uses so I do have a 5-way switch on my Strat-type.

    In particular you need them (with a RWRP middle pickup) if you’re playing anywhere with a lot of electrical noise ;).
    I have a Strat with Delta Tone and the bridge/middle position isn't muddy at all.  
    I started out with nothing..... but I've still got most of it left (Seasick Steve)
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2391
    Alnico said:
    Damn, just realised I've been getting things the wrong way around with Strats. I though Bridge and Middle was Position 2 and Neck and Middle was Position 4. I also thought that H.S.S meant Humbucker in the Bridge, but that is S.S.H?

    Or am I still wrong?
    Shops and manufacturers describe it as "HSS" because we look at them from the front, so left to right make sense that way.
    Players call the switching the other way around because they look down on the guitar and call it from left to right as they see it.

    At least that's what I always just assumed.
    Makes sense @Alnico ; I'll probably not be able to change the habit of calling Bridge Pos 1 though  B)
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 754
    I'm fairly sure that position 2 is bridge and middle.

    To the OP - if you watch some Strat demos on YouTube you'll be able to tell if it's just your guitar or if the sound in general is just not to your taste.

    Personally I love all 5 switch positions on a Strat and I love the neck + middle at least as much as the others too!
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  • BucketBucket Frets: 7601
    Sorry for the shameless self-promotion, but I've always loved the sound I can get from positions 2 and 4 on my Strat:

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    4:


    - "I'm going to write a very stiff letter. A VERY stiff letter. On cardboard."
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 18373
    edited February 14
    Bucket said:
    Sorry for the shameless self-promotion, but I've always loved the sound I can get from positions 2 and 4 on my Strat:

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    Tbh - with your ability, I’d be promoting it at every opportunity. Lovely playing, mate
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  • BucketBucket Frets: 7601
    Bucket said:
    Sorry for the shameless self-promotion, but I've always loved the sound I can get from positions 2 and 4 on my Strat:

    Tbh - with your ability, I’d be promoting it at every opportunity. Lovely playing, mate
    You're too kind! :)
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  • martmart Frets: 2714
    Bridge+neck for the win - all the warmth from the neck with all the clarity from the bridge. I cannot understand why this is not standard.
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  • mal1971mal1971 Frets: 10
    The neck/middle combination played through compression, detune, trichorus and delay/reverb is the sound of 80s pop.  I love that sound.  It was the sound of the LA session musicians like Landau and Dan huff, David Williams, etc and all over 80s hits.... 
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  • paulnb57paulnb57 Frets: 1128
    edited February 14
    ICBM said:
    jpfamps said:
    I have a 3 way on my strat.
    Ah, but what settings does it have?

    I've done a couple which go neck/neck+middle/bridge+middle for customers who want their favourite Strat sounds and not the others.
    @ICBM I would appreciated a sketch of this wiring diagram please?
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 31573
    paulnb57 said:

    @ICBM I would appreciated a sketch of this wiring diagram please?
    Sorry, I don’t have one - it’s dead easy to work out though, the switch has two poles so you can turn on any one or two pickups in any position. (With both rotors connected to the volume control as normal.)

    The tricky bit is the tone controls - the easiest way is to use two tone caps, then connect the neck tone control to the unused neck-position terminal so it’s only active there, and the other one to the middle pickup, so it works in the other two positions. You can then use different cap values if you prefer, a .047uF for the neck pickup and a .022 for the middle seems to work well.
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  • ClashmanClashman Frets: 142
    I picked my Strat up today and my ears still prefer my Telecaster.
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  • LebarqueLebarque Frets: 807
    clarkefan said: no
    For me the bridge/middle sound is the only sound Strats bring to the table, it's unique and fantastic.  The others are doable better elsewhere or useless.  

    I never got the middle pickup only thing but Gary Moore used it a lot so what do I know :)
    C'mon now. The sound of a strat neck pickup is iconic.
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3616
    I have a no-load tone pot connected to the bridge and middle pickup, so I can get the spiker sounds if I want, but if I turn it down to 9 then I get it in the circuit.

    I've also got a push-push pot on the other tone control to add the neck pickup to any switch setting.  I mainly use that for bridge and neck together - which is really useful.  I use it more than positions 2 and 4.

    Just for good measure there is a baseplate on the bridge pickup which does seem to beef it up slightly as well.
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  • prowlaprowla Frets: 898
    Bridge & middle = Smoke On The Water.
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5337
    Pickups make a big difference. Lace Sensor Golds in 2&4 give the archetypal in-between sound to me, whereas my BKP Apaches are much less pronounced in 2&4.
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  • chris45chris45 Frets: 45
    Many thanks for all comments - will experiment some more and probably investigate some pickup and or wiring changes.  Any recommendations for pickups for a pop / indie sound appreciated (I have other options for classic rock)
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  • noisepolluternoisepolluter Frets: 175
    edited February 15
    I’m a big fan of Richard Thompson who uses the bridge/middle setting a lot.

    Does take a bit of judicious tweaking of various volume and tone controls when switching from neck or bridge to in-between though - still getting used to this. On a tele I find it much easier for some reason.
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 10528
    I love 2 & 4. They are both in my top five strat pickup selector positions.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8320
    Funny, Richard Thompson probably single-handedly put me off. Great musician, but his guitar sound is almost as annoying as his Mick McCarthy singing. 
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 18373
    p90fool said:
    Funny, Richard Thompson probably single-handedly put me off. Great musician, but his guitar sound is almost as annoying as his Mick McCarthy singing. 
    You’re just trying to wind me up, aren’t you? :)
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8320
    p90fool said:
    Funny, Richard Thompson probably single-handedly put me off. Great musician, but his guitar sound is almost as annoying as his Mick McCarthy singing. 
    You’re just trying to wind me up, aren’t you? :)
    Haha, is it working? :)

    Actually, because of my screen resolution on the main page I saw there'd been a reply from "richard...", and thought "Fuck,he hasn't joined?!"

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