Buying a Cheapy Bass...

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darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2117
Seen a bit of this video from Andertons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUd9TBYKXf0

Always fancied me a Bass to noodle on, could one of these be a cheapy candidate?

If I bought one, and kept the volume down, could I play them through a Katana 50 without blowing it up?

Thoughts...?
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3322
    Five strings and slap? What will Bridgehouse say?
    could one of these be a cheapy candidate?
    Those Sire instruments are reputed to be excellent value for money. Certainly as good as the Squier Vintage Modified series - just without the backup of The Big F.

    If I bought one, and kept the volume down, could I play them through a Katana 50 without blowing it up?
    Your risk. The loudspeaker(s) in the Katana might not be able to take the excursion required for low notes - especially on the low B. I would get dedicated bass amplification.


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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2117
    Five strings and slap? What will Bridgehouse say?
    could one of these be a cheapy candidate?
    Those Sire instruments are reputed to be excellent value for money. Certainly as good as the Squier Vintage Modified series - just without the backup of The Big F.

    If I bought one, and kept the volume down, could I play them through a Katana 50 without blowing it up?
    Your risk. The loudspeaker(s) in the Katana might not be able to take the excursion required for low notes - especially on the low B. I would get dedicated bass amplification.


    Thanks - what's a good budget Bass amp?

    Is there a range where you get built in FX and so on?
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  • jakzekjakzek Frets: 54
    If it's just home use then the Fender Rumble 15's are great value, really impressive sound for the money IMO
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  • hobbiohobbio Frets: 3280
    The Mrs has a Fender Rumble 40, it's a great little thing. Aux in, footswitchable OD channel, decent eq, buttons for a more vintage tone etc. Light as a feather and it was about £240 new.

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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1421
    I've just mentioned on another post that the Sire V3s should be in Andertons by April and will come in at £243.

    As for a bass amp with fx, the Roland Bass Cubes (available in various wattages) are good value. If you don't need an amp but want amp models and fx to play through, look at a Zoom B3 unit.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15709
    We could have a look at some basses tomorrow mate and I'll play a few for you?
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  • StrangefanStrangefan Frets: 2832
    We could have a look at some basses tomorrow mate and I'll play a few for you?
    But you refuse to slap so how will he know it's any good? :D
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15709
    We could have a look at some basses tomorrow mate and I'll play a few for you?
    But you refuse to slap so how will he know it's any good? :D
    I'll slap you in a minute :)
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2117
    We could have a look at some basses tomorrow mate and I'll play a few for you?
    Thanks very much that would be fun. :)
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15709
    We could have a look at some basses tomorrow mate and I'll play a few for you?
    Thanks very much that would be fun. :)
    Ok no problems. Should be there mid afternoon 
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  • thermionicthermionic Frets: 4828
    For just playing around at home you can get a great little bass amp for about £100 now (although prices are rising). The Fender Rumble always gets most recommendations but I went for an Ampeg and have been very pleased with it. Orange Crush is another option with a similar range of models.
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2117
    I tried a couple of basses and the new rumble studio amp with help from @Bridgehouse in PMT Cambridge yesterday.

    Certainly decided I prefer Ibanez' budget range over Squier, that rumble studio was great but maybe a bit over what I'd buy for bass "experiments". 

    Was kind of an impressive product though, lots of different options for a home bassist, worth a try for anyone wanting a practise amp, but was £350.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3322
    darthed1981 said:
    what's a good budget Bass amp? Is there a range where you get built in FX and so on?
    If you have computer or tablet device multi-track audio recording software, there will probably be suitable amplifier and effect modelling plug-ins lurking in that. Just add headphones.

    Rumble studio was great but maybe a bit over what I'd buy for bass "experiments". 
    You could always investigate pre-owned kit. 

    ... to noodle on...?
    https://www.tcelectronic.com/Categories/Tcelectronic/Bass/Stompboxes/SPECTRADRIVE/p/P0D9D

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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2117
    darthed1981 said:
    what's a good budget Bass amp? Is there a range where you get built in FX and so on?
    If you have computer or tablet device multi-track audio recording software, there will probably be suitable amplifier and effect modelling plug-ins lurking in that. Just add headphones.

    Rumble studio was great but maybe a bit over what I'd buy for bass "experiments". 
    You could always investigate pre-owned kit. 

    ... to noodle on...?
    https://www.tcelectronic.com/Categories/Tcelectronic/Bass/Stompboxes/SPECTRADRIVE/p/P0D9D

    So could you put that pedal straight into active speakers?
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32794
    At home volume the Katana should be fine, even with a 5-string. I'm pretty sure the Katana has an octaver built-in so it's expected to handle low frequencies.

    Use a clean sound, and as long as the speaker isn't sounding obviously stressed it's OK - you'll know about it from the sound if it's likely to be a problem. For home practice it's unlikely you'll be playing at more than a few watts.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3322
    darthed1981 said:
    could you put that pedal straight into active speakers?
    Yes. 

    According to the product description, the tc electronic Spectradrive pedal is the equivalent of the pre-amp stage of their BG Series amp heads.

    Whether this is a good thing is a matter of opinion. I have had many years' dependable service from a tc Staccato '51 and RS210 rig. This (now discontinued) amplifier pre-dates the Behringer buy-out. 

    Generalising horribly, Behringer design ideas are great ... mainly because they are usually somebody else's! :3  The execution is what tends to let the products down. 
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  • LegionreturnsLegionreturns Frets: 5109
    @darthed1981 ; when I bought my steinberger headless bass I got an amp with it that didn't cost loads and it's absolutely brilliant! I'm not using it much though, so if you're still on the lookout for one by the southern jam I could chuck it in the car for you to have a look at / noodle on


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  • LuttiSLuttiS Frets: 1004
    If using through Katana keep an eye on which pick ups you get with the bass.. You should be ok with passive pickups (i toured with a guitar amp + passive pickup bass, was fine) but an active pickup bass one will result in smoke from the amp (again, talking from experience) :)
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2117
    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty, and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.

    It was active the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one, nothing flash but it sounded good and played well.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15709
    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty, and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.

    It was active the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one, nothing flash but it sounded good and played well.
    That fender rumble studio 40 was really good. It sounded great - the modelling was more than usable, and the output good enough for a quiet-ish rehearsal with a drummer. It projected well and it had a nice rounded tone - the majority of the modelled settings used the tone well rather than grating against it. 

    However, the knockout features were its size (Having shoe-horned a 10” and a teeeter/horn in there) and it’s insanely light weight. 

    Would be a really good home practise and rehearsal amp. I’ve always been really impressed with the Rumble amps and they continue to deliver. As @ESBlonde said - the Studio 40 has an air of Markbass about it without the price tag.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3322
    LuttiS said:
    If using through Katana, keep an eye on which pick ups you get with the bass. You should be ok with passive pickups (i toured with a guitar amp + passive pickup bass, was fine) but an active pickup bass one will result in smoke from the amp (again, talking from experience) :)
    If I seemed over cautious earlier, it is because several of my bass guitars have active pickups and I lam into the strings pretty hard.
    It was active, the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one.
    The onboard EQ was active. The pickups would have been passive. 

    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.
    The problem with low wattage bass guitar amplification is that it is disproportionately expensive, too quiet for full band rehearsal or gigs and, possibly, too loud for domestic noodling. It is what parents buy so that their children can learn an instrument but nobody else has to overhear it. 

    The Marshall Bass State combo in Legionreturns 26/03/18 post is based on the feature set of the old Dynamic Bass System series but built from cheaper parts. 




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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7179
    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty, and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.

    It was active the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one, nothing flash but it sounded good and played well.
    That fender rumble studio 40 was really good. It sounded great - the modelling was more than usable, and the output good enough for a quiet-ish rehearsal with a drummer. It projected well and it had a nice rounded tone - the majority of the modelled settings used the tone well rather than grating against it. 

    However, the knockout features were its size (Having shoe-horned a 10” and a teeeter/horn in there) and it’s insanely light weight. 

    Would be a really good home practise and rehearsal amp. I’ve always been really impressed with the Rumble amps and they continue to deliver. As @ESBlonde said - the Studio 40 has an air of Markbass about it without the price tag.
    My son has the Rumble 40. It has been used for a gig with my band and was fine. Bit missing earth shaking lows but certainly audible. I think it cost £120 used. 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15709
    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty, and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.

    It was active the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one, nothing flash but it sounded good and played well.
    That fender rumble studio 40 was really good. It sounded great - the modelling was more than usable, and the output good enough for a quiet-ish rehearsal with a drummer. It projected well and it had a nice rounded tone - the majority of the modelled settings used the tone well rather than grating against it. 

    However, the knockout features were its size (Having shoe-horned a 10” and a teeeter/horn in there) and it’s insanely light weight. 

    Would be a really good home practise and rehearsal amp. I’ve always been really impressed with the Rumble amps and they continue to deliver. As @ESBlonde said - the Studio 40 has an air of Markbass about it without the price tag.
    My son has the Rumble 40. It has been used for a gig with my band and was fine. Bit missing earth shaking lows but certainly audible. I think it cost £120 used. 
    I thought the studio 40 was actually a bit louder than the rumble 40 I have tried before.. 
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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2367
    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty, and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.

    It was active the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one, nothing flash but it sounded good and played well.
    That fender rumble studio 40 was really good. It sounded great - the modelling was more than usable, and the output good enough for a quiet-ish rehearsal with a drummer. It projected well and it had a nice rounded tone - the majority of the modelled settings used the tone well rather than grating against it. 

    However, the knockout features were its size (Having shoe-horned a 10” and a teeeter/horn in there) and it’s insanely light weight. 

    Would be a really good home practise and rehearsal amp. I’ve always been really impressed with the Rumble amps and they continue to deliver. As @ESBlonde said - the Studio 40 has an air of Markbass about it without the price tag.
    I was impressed with the lack of weight the thing had, the amount of volume it could reproduce without farting and the range of sounds available. Add to that the ability to Aux out to a desk/PA and it's even giggable on larger stages with a decent PA. You really could carry it about in one hand without undue fatigue which suggests actual plywood rather than partical board.

    Can't vouch for reliability or the abaility to fix it if it breaks, but it's worth looking at if those features appeal to you. I think @Bridgehouse ; may pop on one in the near future, if so a report will be needed back here.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15709
    ESBlonde said:
    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty, and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.

    It was active the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one, nothing flash but it sounded good and played well.
    That fender rumble studio 40 was really good. It sounded great - the modelling was more than usable, and the output good enough for a quiet-ish rehearsal with a drummer. It projected well and it had a nice rounded tone - the majority of the modelled settings used the tone well rather than grating against it. 

    However, the knockout features were its size (Having shoe-horned a 10” and a teeeter/horn in there) and it’s insanely light weight. 

    Would be a really good home practise and rehearsal amp. I’ve always been really impressed with the Rumble amps and they continue to deliver. As @ESBlonde said - the Studio 40 has an air of Markbass about it without the price tag.
    I was impressed with the lack of weight the thing had, the amount of volume it could reproduce without farting and the range of sounds available. Add to that the ability to Aux out to a desk/PA and it's even giggable on larger stages with a decent PA. You really could carry it about in one hand without undue fatigue which suggests actual plywood rather than partical board.

    Can't vouch for reliability or the abaility to fix it if it breaks, but it's worth looking at if those features appeal to you. I think @Bridgehouse ; may pop on one in the near future, if so a report will be needed back here.
    It’s tempting. Basically it was like a really good Preamp pedal (given the XLR balanced ins and outs) with a 40w amp and 10” driver attached in a lightweight package. 
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2117
    ESBlonde said:
    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty, and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.

    It was active the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one, nothing flash but it sounded good and played well.
    That fender rumble studio 40 was really good. It sounded great - the modelling was more than usable, and the output good enough for a quiet-ish rehearsal with a drummer. It projected well and it had a nice rounded tone - the majority of the modelled settings used the tone well rather than grating against it. 

    However, the knockout features were its size (Having shoe-horned a 10” and a teeeter/horn in there) and it’s insanely light weight. 

    Would be a really good home practise and rehearsal amp. I’ve always been really impressed with the Rumble amps and they continue to deliver. As @ESBlonde said - the Studio 40 has an air of Markbass about it without the price tag.
    I was impressed with the lack of weight the thing had, the amount of volume it could reproduce without farting and the range of sounds available. Add to that the ability to Aux out to a desk/PA and it's even giggable on larger stages with a decent PA. You really could carry it about in one hand without undue fatigue which suggests actual plywood rather than partical board.

    Can't vouch for reliability or the abaility to fix it if it breaks, but it's worth looking at if those features appeal to you. I think @Bridgehouse ; may pop on one in the near future, if so a report will be needed back here.
    It’s tempting. Basically it was like a really good Preamp pedal (given the XLR balanced ins and outs) with a 40w amp and 10” driver attached in a lightweight package. 
    Would you use it in the studio?
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15709
    ESBlonde said:
    I am a little tempted by the Fender one, even at £350, simply on the basis that it is really nifty, and got a good review from one of our experienced Bassists on the day.

    It was active the Bass I liked, an Ibanez Gio one, nothing flash but it sounded good and played well.
    That fender rumble studio 40 was really good. It sounded great - the modelling was more than usable, and the output good enough for a quiet-ish rehearsal with a drummer. It projected well and it had a nice rounded tone - the majority of the modelled settings used the tone well rather than grating against it. 

    However, the knockout features were its size (Having shoe-horned a 10” and a teeeter/horn in there) and it’s insanely light weight. 

    Would be a really good home practise and rehearsal amp. I’ve always been really impressed with the Rumble amps and they continue to deliver. As @ESBlonde said - the Studio 40 has an air of Markbass about it without the price tag.
    I was impressed with the lack of weight the thing had, the amount of volume it could reproduce without farting and the range of sounds available. Add to that the ability to Aux out to a desk/PA and it's even giggable on larger stages with a decent PA. You really could carry it about in one hand without undue fatigue which suggests actual plywood rather than partical board.

    Can't vouch for reliability or the abaility to fix it if it breaks, but it's worth looking at if those features appeal to you. I think @Bridgehouse ; may pop on one in the near future, if so a report will be needed back here.
    It’s tempting. Basically it was like a really good Preamp pedal (given the XLR balanced ins and outs) with a 40w amp and 10” driver attached in a lightweight package. 
    Would you use it in the studio?
    Possibly - depends on what context. A lot of bass is recorded straight into the desk...
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  • funkyfrazfunkyfraz Frets: 73
    @darthed1981 ; when I bought my steinberger headless bass I got an amp with it that didn't cost loads and it's absolutely brilliant! I'm not using it much though, so if you're still on the lookout for one by the southern jam I could chuck it in the car for you to have a look at / noodle on


    They amps are great by the way! I had a loan of one for a while and loved the tone. 


    My 2p worth regarding playing through a guitar amp. It all depends on what you regard as home volume. For me, that's an extremely low volume. Therefore playing through guitar amps are fine. Maybe roll some of the bass off, but it'll be fine and sound perfectly usable. 
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  • meltedbuzzboxmeltedbuzzbox Frets: 7654
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • pintspillerpintspiller Frets: 548
    The Rumbles and Bass Cubes look great. Or you could just buy a bass cab for noodling (1x10 should do)
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