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  • hubobuloushubobulous Frets: 2057
    John_A said:
    What’s the price? 
    Powercab 112—$599.99 US street
    Powercab 112 Plus—$799.99 US street
    Anybody want to buy a DXR-10? 
    Interested to know the scenarios you envisage where this new speaker will give you something over the DXR-10. I can see that if people have patches where removing the IR saves important computing usage, there's a benefit. But otherwise for Helix users, I'm not sure I see a massive benefit - but it wouldn't surprise me if I've missed the complete USP of this!!

    I go straight to the PA from my Helix and have an old monitor at my feet. Not sure what else my specific set up would benefit from this. Genuine question and not bashing the product's idea at all.
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    edited April 12
    John_A said:
    What’s the price? 
    Powercab 112—$599.99 US street
    Powercab 112 Plus—$799.99 US street
    Anybody want to buy a DXR-10? 
    Interested to know the scenarios you envisage where this new speaker will give you something over the DXR-10. I can see that if people have patches where removing the IR saves important computing usage, there's a benefit. But otherwise for Helix users, I'm not sure I see a massive benefit - but it wouldn't surprise me if I've missed the complete USP of this!!

    I go straight to the PA from my Helix and have an old monitor at my feet. Not sure what else my specific set up would benefit from this. Genuine question and not bashing the product's idea at all.
    It may not be aimed at you by the sounds of it - Its about getting those who didn’t get on with their sound being processed at the end point ie the cabinet and microphone modelled. This basically allows you to have the Helix but keep the traditional backline guitar amp sound and feel. 

    If it helps, I’d feel much more comfortable with this than an FRFR monitor - this was the element that dissuaded me from getting a Helix 6 months ago, so there’s definitely a market of one for it!
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7123
    John_A said:
    What’s the price? 
    Powercab 112—$599.99 US street
    Powercab 112 Plus—$799.99 US street
    Anybody want to buy a DXR-10? 
    Interested to know the scenarios you envisage where this new speaker will give you something over the DXR-10. I can see that if people have patches where removing the IR saves important computing usage, there's a benefit. But otherwise for Helix users, I'm not sure I see a massive benefit - but it wouldn't surprise me if I've missed the complete USP of this!!

    I go straight to the PA from my Helix and have an old monitor at my feet. Not sure what else my specific set up would benefit from this. Genuine question and not bashing the product's idea at all.
    It may not be aimed at you by the sounds of it - Its about getting those who didn’t get on with their sound being processed at the end point ie the cabinet and microphone modelled. This basically allows you to have the Helix but keep the traditional backline guitar amp sound and feel. 

    If it helps, I’d feel much more comfortable with this than an FRFR monitor - this was the element that dissuaded me from getting a Helix 6 months ago, so there’s definitely a market of one for it!
    Presumably those who would use it for something like a wet dry rig with an existing amp will benefit from the built in speaker modelling as well ? 
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1499
    John_A said:
    What’s the price? 
    Powercab 112—$599.99 US street
    Powercab 112 Plus—$799.99 US street
    Anybody want to buy a DXR-10? 
    Interested to know the scenarios you envisage where this new speaker will give you something over the DXR-10. I can see that if people have patches where removing the IR saves important computing usage, there's a benefit. But otherwise for Helix users, I'm not sure I see a massive benefit - but it wouldn't surprise me if I've missed the complete USP of this!!

    I go straight to the PA from my Helix and have an old monitor at my feet. Not sure what else my specific set up would benefit from this. Genuine question and not bashing the product's idea at all.
    If I'm totally honest it's just an excuse to buy something new :).  Not a great deal of benefit other than it may be better for playing at home, and small gigs where backline is more appropriate than going to the PA.  At the moment I do exactly the same as you, direct to the PA with a little monitor.




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  • hubobuloushubobulous Frets: 2057
    Makes sense. At home, I flit between the Helix and Native, sometimes using headphones, so not sure the home angle gives me anything.

    And I'll be honest that most of my live playing over the last 10yrs has been DI to the PA in one guise or another so I've never become wedded to the backline sound/feel.

    @John_A - if you do decide to take the plunge, let me know as the DXR-10 might be something I'd consider to upgrade my current Laney wedge monitor.
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1499
    @hubobulous ; will let you know, need to try one first
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13590
    impmann said:

    before Line6 there was NO modelling (to speak of)
    The Roland VG-8 was on sale before Line6 even existed. Unless you're using "to speak of" to rule out anything that contradicts your rather overblown claim there.

    I'm not disuputing Line6's importance to the modelling world, but let's not get carried away here.
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 7367
    Sporky said:
    impmann said:

    before Line6 there was NO modelling (to speak of)
    The Roland VG-8 was on sale before Line6 even existed. Unless you're using "to speak of" to rule out anything that contradicts your rather overblown claim there.

    I'm not disuputing Line6's importance to the modelling world, but let's not get carried away here.
    The VG8 was out first - this is true. However, apart from a very small number of folks nobody bought it because 1) it was very expensive, 2) needed a GK pickup and 3) it wasn't very good. No it wasn't very good - I know you are a fan but frankly, there's a reason why millions bought PODs instead, including the early adopters of VG8 (such as Johnny Marr).

    So my claim - there was no modelling (to speak of) holds true as aside from the tiny numbers that bought VG, nobody was using modelling until Line6 made it available to the common working musician.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13590
    Right - so you are indeed using "to speak of" to dismiss anything that contradicts your silly hyperbole.

    As for the VG-8 not being good, that's you posting opinion as fact, even if you put it in bold. How long did it take Line6 to catch up? They still don't have a unit that does everything the VG-8 does, do they?

    As for trying to dismiss my opinion by saying I'm a "fan", I never owned a VG-8. I am simply pointing out that your claim that "before Line6 there was NO modelling" requires a very revisionist view of history.
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    I think we’re off topic guys. 

    I’m really looking forward to giving this a spin “as L6 intended” ie with a Helix, as well as hear how other people who struggled to adapt to an FRFR find it. 
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 16667
    edited April 12
    Sporky said:
    impmann said:

    before Line6 there was NO modelling (to speak of)
    The Roland VG-8 was on sale before Line6 even existed. Unless you're using "to speak of" to rule out anything that contradicts your rather overblown claim there.

    I'm not disuputing Line6's importance to the modelling world, but let's not get carried away here.
    Not quite - Fast-Forward Designs was formed in the late 1980s and became Line 6 in 1996. VG8 was out in 1995 whilst the AxSys 212 modelling amp was released in 1996. Line 6 made the world's first modelling amp. Line 6's amps and the latter POD could be used by anyone with a guitar whilst the VG8 needed a GK pickup attached.



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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13590
    edited April 12
    Fretwired said:
    Sporky said:

    The Roland VG-8 was on sale before Line6 even existed
    Not quite - Fast-Forward Designs was formed in the late 1980s and became Line 6 in 1996. VG8 was out in 1995 whilst the AxSys 212 modelling amp was released in 1996. Line 6 made the world's first modelling amp. Line 6's amps and the latter POD could be used by anyone with a guitar whilst the VG8 needed a GK pickup attached.

    Right - so the VG-8 was out a year before Line6 actually existed - isn't that what I said? Ah, yes, it's what I said there, and you quoted it and put it in bold - thank you.

    And the VG-8 was without question a modelling unit.

    I think we’re off topic guys. 
    Indeed. I think we've clarified that Line6 didn't single-handedly invent modelling though, and weren't even first to market, so we can move on.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 16667
    edited April 12
    Sporky said:
    Fretwired said:
    Sporky said:

    The Roland VG-8 was on sale before Line6 even existed
    Not quite - Fast-Forward Designs was formed in the late 1980s and became Line 6 in 1996. VG8 was out in 1995 whilst the AxSys 212 modelling amp was released in 1996. Line 6 made the world's first modelling amp. Line 6's amps and the latter POD could be used by anyone with a guitar whilst the VG8 needed a GK pickup attached.

    Right - so the VG-8 was out a year before Line6 actually existed - isn't that what I said? Ah, yes, it's what I said there, and you quoted it and put it in bold.

    And the VG-8 was without question a modelling unit.

    I think we’re off topic guys. 
    Indeed. I think we've clarified that Line6 didn't single-handedly invent modelling though, and weren't even first to market, so we can move on.
    I said not quite as Fast Forward Design simply changed its name so development of the world's first modelling amp was well under way before the VG8 was launched. Same people, same building just a different name ... and I didn't say the VG8 wasn't a modelling unit. I gave a reason why Line 6 had an edge.
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 7367
    Sporky said:
    Right - so you are indeed using "to speak of" to dismiss anything that contradicts your silly hyperbole.

    As for the VG-8 not being good, that's you posting opinion as fact, even if you put it in bold. How long did it take Line6 to catch up? They still don't have a unit that does everything the VG-8 does, do they?

    As for trying to dismiss my opinion by saying I'm a "fan", I never owned a VG-8. I am simply pointing out that your claim that "before Line6 there was NO modelling" requires a very revisionist view of history.
    Its only silly because it doesn't fit your particular narrow view point, Spork. We've been here before, haven't we?

    And yes, that is my opinion of VG8. And I *HAVE* owned one. I didn't like it. I don't like the hex pickup system that Roland use, and I don't like Roland/Boss sounds in general. Thats my personal prejudice. Some of the stuff VG8 did was pretty groundbreaking and yes, there was some stuff on there that Line6 have chosen not to get involved with - but thats got more to do with IP than whether or not it was in any way 'better'. How long did it take for Line6 to catch up... well, bearing in mind that everyone bought PODs and very few bought the VG, I'd say "not very long at all", if they were ever "behind".

    As @fretwired states above whilst the VG8 came out first, it was literally only by months - plus as very few people bought it (for *whatever* reason - happy? Unlikely...) there was no modelling to speak of until Line6 came along for the common muso. Not revisionist, just discounting the VG as it really didn't appeal to many folks... and still *doesn't*.

    We can go around in pedantic circles all day, if you want to Spork... I don't care.


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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1499
    Sweetwater demo up, Dont think the L6 rep really knows sells the benefits very well, the video with Paul Hindmarsh is much clearer
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  • SRichSRich Frets: 369
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13590
    edited April 12
    impmann said:

    the VG8 came out first
    Finally. 

    You said something stupid when you claimed that modelling didn't exist before Line 6. At least now you've manned-up and admitted it. 
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    We had a nice thread about the new Line 6 Powercab once upon a time. 
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  • hubobuloushubobulous Frets: 2057
  • SteveFSteveF Frets: 193
    This is all moot anyway. Everyone knows Chuck Norris invented modelling. 
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 7367
    Sporky said:
    impmann said:

    the VG8 came out first
    Finally. 

    You said something stupid when you claimed that modelling didn't exist before Line 6. At least now you've manned-up and admitted it. 

    Rule 1 Spork... don’t be a dick.

    But yet again you are being one. 

    You don’t agree with my POV - fine, I don’t agree with yours. But the difference is, I don’t use insults or negativity and call upon 1st hand experiences - yet you seek to rubbish them, why?  Point scoring is childish, daft and irrelevant to this. Grow up.

    As said above, this was about the new L6 product. As I’ve said, I wish it well - it looks great. I’m stepping away from this, I suggest you do similar chap.

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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    Guys FUCK OFF WITH FUCKING STUPID ARGUEMENT. 

    Feel free to continue it via pm. Don’t involve the rest of us. Nobody cares who wins. 
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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    edited April 13
    Meanwhile, back on topic, I wonder if the plus model will allow for further speaker models to be added, or if there’s a chance this might become a standardised format like IRs. The model list is great but would be good to see stuff like an EV or H-mag Celestion included, as well as some weirder ones like the EMI Cannabis Rex. 
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  • SteveFSteveF Frets: 193
    Wheanwhile, back on topic, I wonder if the plus model will allow for further speaker models to be added, or if there’s a chance this might become a standardised format like IRs. The model list is great but would be good to see stuff like an EV or H-mag Celestion included, as well as some weirder ones like the EMI Cannabis Rex. 
    If it's all digital modelling I don't see why not - they've certainly done that with the helix. 
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  • mr-macmr-mac Frets: 194
    Thing is some things went back the way...  Spider II head i had (and the spider valve) actually produced some really nice useable sounds very quickly - I'll guess models didn't sound anywhere near lime what they were modelling but own flip side they sounded good..  Tried with a pod xt for months to produce similarly nice sounds (not a single one).

    i still find even some of todays modellers have same issue.  By getting too complicated and trying to sound closer to original items they actually took finger off ball on the does it sound properly epic.  With a few exceptions of course.

    if speaker works well could be good for some people. 
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  • CarpeDiemCarpeDiem Frets: 112
    Meanwhile, back on topic, I wonder if the plus model will allow for further speaker models to be added, or if there’s a chance this might become a standardised format like IRs. The model list is great but would be good to see stuff like an EV or H-mag Celestion included, as well as some weirder ones like the EMI Cannabis Rex. 
    I would expect the range to be expanded to give an upgrade path and gain more market share. This would be dependent on how well the initial design sells.
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  • bloodandtearsbloodandtears Frets: 455
    Guys FUCK OFF WITH FUCKING STUPID ARGUEMENT. 

    Feel free to continue it via pm. Don’t involve the rest of us. Nobody cares who wins. 
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    sorry, couldnt resist ;-)

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  • jellybellyjellybelly Frets: 265
    Guys FUCK OFF WITH FUCKING STUPID ARGUEMENT. 

    Feel free to continue it via pm. Don’t involve the rest of us. Nobody cares who wins. 
    argument*

























    sorry, couldnt resist ;-)

    Couldn’t* ;)

    But we digress. Back on topic - I’m keen to see how well this does and is received and if it causes any more pros to move over to using the Helix etc. 


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    Guys FUCK OFF WITH FUCKING STUPID ARGUEMENT. 

    Feel free to continue it via pm. Don’t involve the rest of us. Nobody cares who wins. 
    argument*

























    sorry, couldnt resist ;-)

    Couldn’t* ;)

    But we digress. Back on topic - I’m keen to see how well this does and is received and if it causes any more pros to move over to using the Helix etc. 


    touché pmsl (have a lol)

    I'll be looking at a Line 6 powercab at some point I suspect.. haven't really taken to the powered monitor solution for live (I have an ALTO); the idea of a backline cab seems "normal", Old habits die hard I guess.


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  • matt1973matt1973 Frets: 285
    Well I’m definitely getting one. They’re priced well and promise much - I love modelling but there are aspect of a traditional rig that I still miss. Spoke to Paul Hindmarsh about it briefly and he seems to agree that you’d get a tonal improvement over an L2m (IE the amp in room sound) and it’s a perfectly fine full range wedge in frfr mode.

    Just need to figure out if I need the plus or the standard. 
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