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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    TTony said:
    I'd love to play.

    I'm part way through a load of Udemy courses on mixing, production, et al because I realised how much I didn't know about those dark arts.

    When I'm done, I'll play.
    :)
    Files sent!..

    Hang on... I assume it's Mac only... Never mind then 
    Both those plugins are pc and Mac!...
    just had a look, my headphones are AKG K275.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3251
    some great additional grooves in there. 
    Lovingly stolen from Eric Persing of Spectrasonics Incorporated.

    The plug-in software Instrument is named Stylus RMX but the loops I used were all drawn from the Metamorphosis library. (So old that it is now only offered as a special order Legacy Product.) 

    In Host Sync mode, Stylus RMX locks into the project tempo and transport controls. It truly does play itself. Subtle use of randomisation controls keeps it from sounding too samey. The human artefacts of The Chicken Thieves' performance kinda float around the strict tempo electronic beat.



    Meanwhile, I can now safely reveal that the tremolo-like effect on the Clean Riff Guitar part is actually a step filter. It must have been either the first or second factory preset on the pull-down menu. I immediately liked what it did so, I kept it. The only parameter that I altered was the wet/dry balance. This was because the effect was being used as an Insert rather than on an Aux buss.

    The auto-wah effect on the clean strummed chords track came from Apple Logic Pedalboard. I had to run it through the Pedalboard A/B mixer to balance the proportion of filtering effect to the dry signal. 

    I am reluctant to write out enormous lists of what I did because, for the most part, I was just mucking about until something that I found interesting happened. For some reason, it is far easier to behave in this way towards the recordings of others than it is on one's own.


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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    Funkfingers said:

    for the most part, I was just mucking about until something that I found interesting happened. For some reason, it is far easier to behave in this way towards the recordings of others than it is on one's own.

    I wouldn't know. I would respect the source material at all times and resist all temptation to edit it to the point it was unrecognisable...  ;)

    Great result though. Kudos 
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3251
    flying_pie said:
    I would respect the source material at all times and resist all temptation to edit it to the point it was unrecognisable...  ;)
    Thread starter invited down and dirty danceable remixes.

    I melded the bitcrusher distortion of Trent Reznor with the wilful, "try it anyway" semi-randomness of Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt's Oblique Strategies. (I do not possess any of the actual card sets. I disagree with those who rigidly follow the instructions on the cards. I just steal the notion of throwing in ideas that conventional thinking says will not work.) 

    If I attempt another remix in a few days, it will probably be different again. If I could be arsed, I would cut up the music and vocal phrases so that they could be manipulated even further. 
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5432
    I'd like to have a go too and get some feedback, although it won't be until the later part of the week. 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    I'd like to have a go too and get some feedback, although it won't be until the later part of the week. 
    Files sent!
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  • bingefellerbingefeller Frets: 5432
    Thanks @poopot.  I had a look and may be over my head here!  
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    Thanks @poopot.  I had a look and may be over my head here!  
    Should be ok dude!... not the best recording to listen too over and over tho’! :)
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  • IMC1980IMC1980 Frets: 22
    Is there a time limit on this? Still finishing off my cover...

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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    IMC1980 said:
    Is there a time limit on this? Still finishing off my cover...
    I wouldn't have thought so. 

    I only finished the first challenge last Friday night... 
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  • spark240spark240 Frets: 917
    ChrisRG said:
    OK, noob questions alert...... I imported all the tracks into Studio One and then kind of didn't know where to start.  Are there any "standard" or "best practice" approaches to the basics?  I know it's not an exact science but if anyone would share their approach that would be awesome.

    I've played around with EQ, cutting freq to see if it helps separate the tracks a bit.  Came across this which looks quite useful,
    http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

    With the left and right guitars, I just panned them accordingly.

    @poopot how did you know to remove stuff at 500hz?  Experience or analysis?

    Thanks in advance.

    Dude...Im jüst doing this is S1 now !...Oddly I started with the vocal....try the Fat channel a few things...


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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    After the last remix I decided to respect this song.  I made the bass a bit heavier and a bit of compression, EQ and reverb to the drums and vocals.



    Oh, and I removed all the original guitar (sorry @poopot) and replaced it with something different. There are now 7 songs instead of just the one. A point for the first person to name them all. 

    Listen to Se7en Chicken Army by TheFlyingPie #np on #SoundCloud
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    @flying_pie  this is driving me nuts!!!!!
    Ive got:
    aint talking about love,
    raining blood
    and
    backstreet boys!!!!!

    if the drummer hears this he’ll have us doing a 20 minute party mashup!!!!! ;)
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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    edited May 16
    Sounds like I'd get on well with your drummer. I love mashups.

    I didn't play Ain't Talking About Love 

    The other two are correct.

    This might be tricky as it was a one evening project and it assumes I've played stuff correctly enough to be recognised. 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    Sounds like I'd get on well with your drummer. I love mashups.

    I didn't play Ain't Talking About Love 


    Yep, my bad... first riff is similar tho’
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3251
    poopot said:
    if the drummer hears this, he’ll have us doing a 20 minute party mashup!!!!!
    Talking Heads' Psycho Killer would fit.

    poopot said:
    We originally recorded just the drums with bass and a guide vocal in his ears along with a click track.
    a quick render with a click attached.



    it should be bang on 120bpm
    Thank you for including this. I finally got around to listening to it. Very revealing. ;)

    I was reminded of a comment made by Neil Peart in one of his DVDs (probably Taking Center Stage). Some sections of the Rush 2010/11 Time Machine Tour required the synchronisation of MIDI sequencers, video animation and the live drumming. Peart was required to play to a click, blended into his in-ear monitor mix. If the click that represented the one was not masked by the kick drum, Peart knew that he was out of synch.

    The Chicken Thieves drummer seems to land the one in reaction to the click guide rather than absolutely right on it.



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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    poopot said:
    if the drummer hears this, he’ll have us doing a 20 minute party mashup!!!!!
    Talking Heads' Psycho Killer would fit

    I hadn't considered that. Pretty much any funk in E riff would work. I decided to go more for Alternative/Pop to make it different from @poopot 's original funky guitar track.

    Superstition / Play that funky music would probably fit. As might Always On The Run by Lenny Kravitz. 

    Hmmm.... Sounds like we could put our brains together and come up with 17 Nation Army :)
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    poopot said:
    if the drummer hears this, he’ll have us doing a 20 minute party mashup!!!!!
    Talking Heads' Psycho Killer would fit

    I hadn't considered that. Pretty much any funk in E riff would work. I decided to go more for Alternative/Pop to make it different from @poopot 's original funky guitar track.

    Superstition / Play that funky music would probably fit. As might Always On The Run by Lenny Kravitz. 

    Hmmm.... Sounds like we could put our brains together and come up with 17 Nation Army :)
    Already said “ain’t talking about love” could prolly shoehorn “beat it” in there!. “Good times” by chic?
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226


    The Chicken Thieves drummer seems to land the one in reaction to the click guide rather than absolutely right on it.



    That was a midi click put on after the recording in logic... we’re all slightly behind that one... can’t find the original click tbh!
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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    edited May 16
    Beat It should definitely fit well as it finishes on B probably at the exact same time the bass hits it.

    Nothing Else Matters by Metallica should fit and would be a mind fuck to play over the bass and drums. And Creeping Death would fit harmonically but sound really weird at 120bpm (I don't fancy trying it at 240bpm).

    Then there's the G A 2 bar sequence to play with too. Obviously I doubled it to G G A A 4 bars to fit in a punk classic. 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    Beat It should definitely fit well as it finishes on B probably at the exact same time the bass hits it.

    Nothing Else Matters by Metallica should fit and would be a mind fuck to play over the bass and drums. And Creeping Death would fit harmonically but sound really weird at 120bpm (I don't fancy trying it at 240bpm).

    Then there's the G A 2 bar sequence to play with too. Obviously I doubled it to G G A A 4 bars to fit in a punk classic. 
    Perhaps a “mashup” challenge... put together a 4/4 drum track along with a pedalled bassline in the key of “?” And let people put whatever guitar riffs over the top!... most shoehorned in inside of two minutes wins!
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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    @poopot that could be good fun.   As long as you don't choose the I-V-vi-iv sequence. The Axis of Awesome have that one covered
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    @poopot that could be good fun.   As long as you don't choose the I-V-vi-iv sequence. The Axis of Awesome have that one covered
    Was thinking along the lines of no chord sequence, just a constant bass note playing with the drums at a fixed tempo... riff away over the top...
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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    I'd be more fun to have a bass line inferring chord sequences. You can choose whether it's root/3rd/5th or a passing note or whatever as far as the riff relates to the bass. 

    And all this talk has reminded me I need to finish the Ghost/Foo Fighters mashup I started work on last month.
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  • spark240spark240 Frets: 917
    Nice challenge....check it out...Studio One .



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  • spark240spark240 Frets: 917
    This is a public track?...whats going on with soundcloud?



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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3251
    edited May 18
    Could be a Permissions settings issue. 

    Also, SC is about to bring in new T&Cs and privacy policies.
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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    I'd expect private links to still function when you post them. I sometimes email them so friends can listen to my mixes through their own stereos and comment on the mix. 

    This is my ROTM entry on my own soundcloud set to private. I'd expect the rest of you to be able to access it now through this link 

    Listen to Demo by TheFlyingPie #np on #SoundCloud
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    @spark240 & @flying_pie ;
    neither of those links work! Have to launch soundcloud app and find your username to listen.
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  • flying_pieflying_pie Frets: 419
    Okay.  That means it must be permissions and the way the forum deals with links.

    Those private links work fine through Messenger or WhatsApp but obviously not here. 
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