Bass for acoustic oriented gigs?

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  • BigLicks67BigLicks67 Frets: 528

    @BigLicks67 - not sure it’s about being man enough - more about not wanting a big heavy thing to carry about that could wreck your fingers or squash me ;)
    Fair enough, I thought I was a red meat eating real man when I got mine years ago, turns out 4 years later I realised I was cheese eating surrender monkey, at which point I sold it. : >
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332

    @BigLicks67 - not sure it’s about being man enough - more about not wanting a big heavy thing to carry about that could wreck your fingers or squash me ;)
    Fair enough, I thought I was a red meat eating real man when I got mine years ago, turns out 4 years later I realised I was cheese eating surrender monkey, at which point I sold it. : >
    Hah! I’m happy to avoid having to prove manliness if it means my poor back won’t suffer :D
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 34006
    I'm not even close to manly enough...

    I tried playing a double bass in public for the first time at a folk jam a couple of years ago - all the guitars were taken already, and the chap in charge asked what else I played, so I said 'bass'... and was handed a double bass that was taller than me (I think). I really struggled to get anything even vaguely musical out of it - it was like playing a tree with telegraph wires on, the neck was about 2" from front to back and I could barely hold down the strings.

    Leo Fender: the greatest musical instrument genius who ever lived.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • GSPBASSESGSPBASSES Frets: 1210
    I suggest, you put a fretless neck on your chambered 52 P-Bass, preferably with a rosewood fingerboard, low action so you get a bit of rattle ( the equivalent of fret buzz ). This will give you a pretty good imitation of a double bass, couple with a Pog2. Seymour Duncan do an on-board preamp specifically for fretless basses that have magnetic pickups. And if you're really brave go for a 35" long scale neck.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    GSPBASSES said:
    I suggest, you put a fretless neck on your chambered 52 P-Bass, preferably with a rosewood fingerboard, low action so you get a bit of rattle ( the equivalent of fret buzz ). This will give you a pretty good imitation of a double bass, couple with a Pog2. Seymour Duncan do an on-board preamp specifically for fretless basses that have magnetic pickups. And if you're really brave go for a 35" long scale neck.
    That would require some serious man-trouser wearing!! So I’d need someone to make a 35” scale lined fretless neck.... hmmm.... 
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  • pintspillerpintspiller Frets: 578
    I would continue to use what you've already done. I find rolling back on the tone knob on the bass can sometimes sound more like a double bass.

    Although a acoustic bass might look the part, I don't like the sound.
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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 3447
    I think a Mark Bass or Hartke combo or small head and one cab would suit all options.  Or an old Gallien Kruger - they seem popular with upright/acoustic bassists.

    I have a tatty GK MB100, to go with my Yamaha BEX4 (pickup & piezo) for occasional forays into bass playing - with Django/Swing acoustic players.



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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 34006
    Another thing that's worth trying is to *play* the bass like an upright - Bill Wyman style :). That might sound odd, but try it... hold the bass as near to upright as you can, and play over the end of the fingerboard with your thumb on the side of the neck. I'm not sure if it's because of the picking position or the way the strings resonate differently when they're vertical rather than horizontal, but it really does change the sound - even on a fretted bass.

    That's why old Fender basses have a strap button on the back of the headstock.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    edited May 12
    ICBM said:
    That's why old Fender basses have a strap button on the back of the headstock.
    This suggestion pretty much obliges Bridgehouse to play his old Fender Precision ... which is probably what he was going to do all along. :-p 
    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    I would continue to use what you've already done. I find rolling back on the tone knob on the bass can sometimes sound more like a double bass.

    Although a acoustic bass might look the part, I don't like the sound.
    The Ibanez does the job (except for a small combo for when not going through the PA) so I guess I’m checking options just in case
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332

    Jalapeno said:
    I think a Mark Bass or Hartke combo or small head and one cab would suit all options.  Or an old Gallien Kruger - they seem popular with upright/acoustic bassists.

    I have a tatty GK MB100, to go with my Yamaha BEX4 (pickup & piezo) for occasional forays into bass playing - with Django/Swing acoustic players.



    Small combo def looking like an option.

    I really like the look of those BEX4’s but they are pretty rare and they probably won’t get me anything that the Ibanez will.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332

    ICBM said:
    Another thing that's worth trying is to *play* the bass like an upright - Bill Wyman style :). That might sound odd, but try it... hold the bass as near to upright as you can, and play over the end of the fingerboard with your thumb on the side of the neck. I'm not sure if it's because of the picking position or the way the strings resonate differently when they're vertical rather than horizontal, but it really does change the sound - even on a fretted bass.

    That's why old Fender basses have a strap button on the back of the headstock.


    Though of course you are right about the button on the back of the headstock... I’ve tried it. It’s about as comfortable as reading a thread on vintage guitars on here.


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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    ICBM said:
    That's why old Fender basses have a strap button on the back of the headstock.
    This suggestion pretty much obliges Bridgehouse to play his old Fender Precision ... which is probably what he was going to do all along. :-p 
    Funnily enough, it isn’t perfect for everything. With the old Chromes on it it does a brilliant full fat dull P bass thud. But I’m not sure it’s idea for an acoustic set. Maybe it is. 
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 34006
    I suppose what you really need is a vintage Gibson EB-1, with the proper 'cello spike' they originally came with fitted.

    Or a Rickenbacker...










    Electric Upright Bass, from 1936 :).

    http://www.carlsguitarcorner.com/links/Resources/RickEbassviol.jpg
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    ICBM said:
    I suppose what you really need is a vintage Gibson EB-1, with the proper 'cello spike' they originally came with fitted.

    Or a Rickenbacker...










    Electric Upright Bass, from 1936 :).

    http://www.carlsguitarcorner.com/links/Resources/RickEbassviol.jpg
    You know, I’d love an original eb-1 or even a reissue (which nobody has ever done)

    Maybe I should get somebody to build me one. Or build one myself. Lol.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    Bridgehouse said:
    You know, I’d love an original eb-1 or even a reissue (which nobody has ever done)
    Warwick made a pretty convincing lookalike for Jack Bruce. As seen on the Cream 2005 reunion DVD.

    Bridgehouse said:
    Funnily enough, [the vintage Fender P] isn’t perfect for everything. With the old Chromes on it it does a brilliant full fat dull P bass thud. But I’m not sure it’s idea for an acoustic set. Maybe it is. 
    One pair of pliers x twenty minutes = problem solved, innit? ;)

    ICBM said:
    Rickenbacker.
    Bless you. 
    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    edited May 12
    @Funkfingers  - I’m disappointed that you aren’t encouraging the purchase of more basses to be honest.

    You are losing your touch...
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    You are losing your touch...
    Like the Glove in Yellow Submarine?
    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    You are losing your touch...
    Like the Glove in Yellow Submarine?
    Now now don’t be coy - I’m actually surprised you haven’t tried to flog me a semi acoustic Gibson ;)
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    As far as I know, that is still in the West Midlands - either in the vaults of you know who or with an instrument retailer who frequents this forum. 

    I have refrained from tagging you know who into this thread because, if he still has the Gibbo, he will start touting it again.
    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    As far as I know, that is still in the West Midlands - either in the vaults of you know who or with an instrument retailer who frequents this forum. 

    I have refrained from tagging you know who into this thread because, if he still has the Gibbo, he will start touting it again.
    No I believe it was traded with another forum member who has now entered it into the next Gardiner Houlgate auction - yep, just checked and it’s listed...
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    Phew! Looks as if we both escaped that one. ;)
    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    Phew! Looks as if we both escaped that one. ;)
    Estimate is £1.5k - £2k

    Way too rich to fill an acoustic short scale hole....! I’d stretch to an old yammy bex4 but...


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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    Back on topic, Ashbory? 


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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    I do have a custom gspbasses 51P semi acoustic body and neck that I need to build...

    I wonder if a choice pickup might do the job...?
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    This has the makings of a possible - but 51P single coils tend to be quite rowdy...
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    Lindy Fralin noise-cancelling '51 P style replacement? Piezo bridge?

    If I were after your money, I would suggest my Yamaha Attitude Custom - piezo, Precision and mudbucker pickups. 

    Speaking of Yamaha, whatever happened to your refinished hardboard project?
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    Lindy Fralin noise-cancelling '51 P style replacement? Piezo bridge?

    If I were after your money, I would suggest my Yamaha Attitude Custom - piezo, Precision and mudbucker pickups. 

    Speaking of Yamaha, whatever happened to your refinished hardboard project?
    The Lindy Fralin split coil was on my list I have to admit.. a piezo bridge might work, but I have that on the Ibanez, and I’m not sure it’s the piezo sound I’m after - if I was mad I’d buy a Harmony H22 - I’m looking for that hollow thud, and I’m hoping the above body might get me some way there. 

    Not seen an attitude custom before. Will have a look on t’internet.

    As for the project - turns out I learned the hard way that power tools and balsa don’t mix. We live and learn 
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 34006
    Bridgehouse said:

    You know, I’d love an original eb-1 or even a reissue (which nobody has ever done)
    Gibson did, in 1970 - Felix Pappalardi had one, not an original. A friend of mine has one too. Splitting hairs? :)

    There's an Epiphone one as well, although from what I understand it's pretty rare...

    https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3690/11123162444_14b792608f_b.jpg

    I think it even came with the cello pin - the rear strap button doesn't look normal.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    ICBM said:
    Bridgehouse said:

    You know, I’d love an original eb-1 or even a reissue (which nobody has ever done)
    Gibson did, in 1970 - Felix Pappalardi had one, not an original. A friend of mine has one too. Splitting hairs? :)

    There's an Epiphone one as well, although from what I understand it's pretty rare...

    https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3690/11123162444_14b792608f_b.jpg

    I think it even came with the cello pin - the rear strap button doesn't look normal.
    True - I forgot about the reissue - but the only one I’ve seen listed is £4.5k  - for a 70s Gibson bass... yeah, right...
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