Possibly the worst sound on record?

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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8994
    edited May 24
    Chris Squire's bass sound on the Yes albums strikes me as being a bit tinny

    I wonder if the musicians (or the engineers, or the producers) just have different ideas about what sounds "good" or "right". IMO there's not a lot wrong with El Clappo or even JoBo but if you don't like that sort of thing there's still a lot of other people who do.

    EDIT I'm not a great fan of Pat Metheney's guitar sound either
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  • HHwarnerHHwarner Frets: 71
    edited May 24
    Any English vocalist who sings with a strong American accent. You wouldnt sing with say a French or German accent would you so why American?????
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  • girya32girya32 Frets: 8
    anything Brian May ever played on, horrible tinny sound
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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8994
    HHwarner said:
    Any English vocalist who sings with a strong American accent. You wouldnt sing with say a French or German accent would you so why American?????
    It sells more records?
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7196
    HHwarner said:
    Any English vocalist who sings with a strong American accent. You wouldnt sing with say a French or German accent would you so why American?????
    It sells more records?
    There's three basic arguments as I understand it: 

    - it's potentially more commercial

    - you sing based on what you've heard so it self propigates to some extent ( the history of modern popular music largely having it's roots in the USA ). 

    - that a 'mid Atlantic' accent is quite neutral and to sing fast or more complex passages it's actually quite hard to maintain a strong regional accent. Some singers dip in and out of what appears to be an Americanised accent depending on the part of the song. It may not even stand up as an American accent, it's just not as English. If you were singing a song form not associated with American accents such as traditional English you'd tend to lean towards an accent that fits that better. 

    Adopting a strong French or German accent when singing in English wouldn't really fit into any of those three categories. 
    Dum dum dum, dum dum de dum, dum dum dum, dum dummmm.
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2118
    Grime.

    In particular, street grime.

    Giving barely literate, completely inarticulate English teenagers that think they're black American gangsters a Samsung smart phone to record their particular brand of shite on is one thing. Letting them then upload the results to soundcloud so my students can stream it in the car is inexcusable and should result in the death penalty. 
    Conversation in my car with a student listening to said shite the other day: 

    Student: "This guy's inside now" 

    Me: "I'm not surprised, I wouldn't get away with passing this off as English either"

    Student: "Fuck you! You're just old and don't understand street language. He's doing 15 years for stabbing someone" 

    Me: "So he's tried two careers; music and crime, and been bloody awful at both of them. What do you think he'll try next?" 

    Student : "Fuck you" 

    Me : *sniggers* 
    What are they studying exactly?

    You could tell them it isn't being old it's being middle class, there are old people who know street language but they are the ones who TOLD him to stab someone...
    Warning: this post may contain overtly affectionate references to Mary Spender
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  • HHwarnerHHwarner Frets: 71
    HHwarner said:
    Any English vocalist who sings with a strong American accent. You wouldnt sing with say a French or German accent would you so why American?????
    It sells more records?


    I’m thinking very strong American accent. Like comedians who should stick to comedy and not recording albums :-)
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1212
    ICBM said:
    Dopesick said:
    Jagger.
    FTFY
    FTFY
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1212
    bbill335 said:
    Jeff Healey's biggest secret was that he was deaf and blind. That's the only way to excuse his naff shred-blooz  
    Woah. Just WOAH!
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • AlexCAlexC Frets: 1352
    Van Halen’s extremely dated brand of cock rock. Terrible songs with excruciating lyrics. EVH’s guitar makes high pitched squealing noises... there’s no flow or emotion or, heaven forbid, melody. Dave Lee Roth fancies his teacher (how old was he at the time?) and can’t sing for shit. And Hager wasn’t much better: “Hello baaaaaaaby”, - cue squealing guitar. Just embarrassing. And every guitar magazine of the 80s featured these clowns every bleeding issue. 
    And the bass player had a bass that looked like a whisky bottle. Sounded like it too.
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  • SeshSesh Frets: 866
    ICBM said:
    Lodious said:

    Any acoustic guitar recorded with Pizo pickup
    There is a lot of truth in that. I've given away two 90s live albums (Indigo Girls' 1200 Curfews and Warren Zevon's Learning To Flinch) because the 'acoustic' guitar sounds made them unlistenable.
    As much as I like Warren Zevon, Learning to Flinch was disappointing. The guitar sound doesn't irk me that much but the vocals being too low in the mix does.
    Can't sing, can't dance, can handle a guitar a little.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32822
    Sesh said:

    As much as I like Warren Zevon, Learning to Flinch was disappointing. The guitar sound doesn't irk me that much but the vocals being too low in the mix does.
    I think it's probably a combination of the two, which basically ends up with the album just sounding like "ziiiiinnnnnggggg" from one end to the other (apart from Roland Chorale, which is the best bit on it). If the vocals had been louder I might have been able to live with the guitar sound... although if it hadn't been an Ovation it may also have helped :).
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8538
    Axl Rose. From the very first opening line I heard I honestly thought it was a joke, and I'm still not sure now. 
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  • HarrySevenHarrySeven Frets: 3349
    edited May 25
    +1 for Metal Machine Music

    Can I also submit the third disc of Neil Young's live album "Arc" which I believe was called "Weld" which is a compilation of feedback, guitar noise and vocal fragments.

    Have to disagree there...I absolutely love Weld.

    Particularly this...




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  • HarrySevenHarrySeven Frets: 3349
    beed84 said:

    I’ve always found Paloma Faith unbearable.

    FTFY.


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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 4941
    I had the misfortune to catch a couple of Cranberries songs yesterday, with that horrible howling vocal.
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  • TrudeTrude Frets: 321
    Perdix said:
    Keith Richards solo on sympathy for the devil. Feels like an ice pick jabbing in my ears.
    That's why it's good! How else would you expect the devil to sound?
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  • TrudeTrude Frets: 321

    The electric guitar on T.Rex's Electric Warrior LP is pretty dire as well.
    I'm not having that! That album was what made me pick up an electric guitar. The songs, grooves and tones are top drawer. He may have been more of a poser than a player, but he made up for it with sheer creative abandon.
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  • lasermonkeylasermonkey Frets: 1047
    scrumhalf said:
    I had the misfortune to catch a couple of Cranberries songs yesterday, with that horrible howling vocal.
    I hate to speak ill of the dead and all that, but every time I hear her voice, it feels like my ears want to vomit. It's really quite an unpleasant sensation.
    My wife asked me to stop singing Wonderwall.
    I said maybe.....
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32822
    I love her voice.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • pmbombpmbomb Frets: 397
    Edith Piaf screeching like someone's fingernails dragged down a blackboard.
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  • StageStruckStageStruck Frets: 76
    edited May 26
    The close miked, heavily reverbed snare drum sounds that ruined many rock records during the mid-late 80s. 

    While we're at it, any 80s guitar sound that's been overdone with Chorus pedal effects.
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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8994
    Trude said:

    The electric guitar on T.Rex's Electric Warrior LP is pretty dire as well.
    I'm not having that! That album was what made me pick up an electric guitar. The songs, grooves and tones are top drawer. He may have been more of a poser than a player, but he made up for it with sheer creative abandon.
    It was the tones I didn't like. the songs/grooves are in my take-it-or-leave-it department. It was the Bluesbreakers' Beano album that made me pick up the electric guitar, I think that once you've listened to it any other use of the LP doesn't really come close until you start considering what happens when you use FX (and then you need to start listening to Andy Latimer). But hey, you're as entitled as me to like what you like and dislike what you don't.
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  • impmannimpmann Frets: 7390
    Paloma Faith is pretty ropey, but nothing like as terrible live as Emeli Sande.

    Metal Machine Music is just unlistenable nonsense.

    Neil Young sounds like a doddery old fucker in the corner of a pub singing incoherent bollocks whilst drunk, whilst someone attacks a badly tuned guitar with blunt spanners, plugged into an amplifier that has been run over by Motorhead's road crew. Dreadful, deadful, dreadful. Just. Make. It. Stop.

    Zappa's lyrics. Just. No. NOT funny or clever. Most of got over that shit when we were 15.





    Never Ever Bloody Anything Ever.

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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32822
    impmann said:

    Metal Machine Music is just unlistenable nonsense.
    I really must get this - I've never heard it, but given how much I like most of the stuff everyone here hates, it will probably be in my top ten albums of all time...

    :)

    impmann said:

    Neil Young sounds like a doddery old fucker in the corner of a pub singing incoherent bollocks whilst drunk, whilst someone attacks a badly tuned guitar with blunt spanners, plugged into an amplifier that has been run over by Motorhead's road crew. Dreadful, deadful, dreadful. Just. Make. It. Stop.
    Exactly ;).

    Probably the best gig I've ever been to - Neil Young and Crazy Horse at the SECC about five years ago.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • SeshSesh Frets: 866
    Talk boxes. 
    Can't sing, can't dance, can handle a guitar a little.
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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8994
    Sesh said:
    Talk boxes. 
    I don't like them either. Or guitars through a Leslie.
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  • AlexCAlexC Frets: 1352
    I dislike talk boxes through Leslies.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32822
    ICBM said:
    impmann said:

    Metal Machine Music is just unlistenable nonsense.
    I really must get this - I've never heard it, but given how much I like most of the stuff everyone here hates, it will probably be in my top ten albums of all time...
    So, I have now listened to Metal Machine Music. (Yes, all of it .)

    It's not the worst thing I've ever heard. But it is very difficult to listen to, and I have no real desire to again. The problem isn't so much the sound - I find screaming metal vocals far more grating (as well as Roy Buchanan's Telecaster ) - but the relentless, almost structureless drone of it. And I should say that I do have other examples of 'noise as music' - not just Neil Young's Arc - which I actually like.

    As an art concept I think it makes sense, and I think it's important that someone did it. As music... probably not so much.
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  • vasselmeyervasselmeyer Frets: 2336
    Has anyone said Yoko Ono yet?
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