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mark123mark123 Frets: 189
Not naming, but agreed to buy something on the classifieds ,messaged seller saying i will take them.
I had just finished a 12hr shift ,went to sleep, woke up, and now item has been sold to someone else because i didnt get back to them!
I would have thought" i will take them" means "i will take them "..not even 10 hrs given to reply 
if it was a couple of days fair enough but 10 hrs  =)
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  • meltedbuzzboxmeltedbuzzbox Frets: 7295
    edited June 6
    There are a lot of people that fuck about and drag things out and go quiet. 
    I can totally understand from a sellers point of view if they go for the first person that presents actual cash
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1340
    Had a guy recently on here asked me to hold a pedaltrain for him until the following weekend as he definitely wanted it, after chasing he finally got back to me to say he didn't need it any more.  Maybe a 'I'll have it, but just been on night shift so going to bed' might have swung it, but understand if someone comes up with the cash then it's difficult to say no.

    I lost out on a house for the same reason ;)
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  • mark123mark123 Frets: 189
    10hrs  :o =) not a week or 2 weeks is it ?
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 18418
    I think unless you arrange to make payment - and do so quickly - ‘I’ll take it’ is little more than an expression of interest.

    The number of times I’ve e-mailed pictures and answered potential buyers’ questions - only to have them go silent - has made me a tad cynical....
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  • mark123mark123 Frets: 189
    I think unless you arrange to make payment - and do so quickly - ‘I’ll take it’ is little more than an expression of interest.

    The number of times I’ve e-mailed pictures and answered potential buyers’ questions - only to have them go silent - has made me a tad cynical....
    sorry mate I'll take them in my language means i will take them ...
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 683
    If I’m selling the item goes to the first person to send payment, who is not necessarily the first to say they’ll have It. That’s just the way it is.

    In the same way I won’t commit to buying something if I’m not ready to make immediate payment.
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 18418
    mark123 said:
    I think unless you arrange to make payment - and do so quickly - ‘I’ll take it’ is little more than an expression of interest.

    The number of times I’ve e-mailed pictures and answered potential buyers’ questions - only to have them go silent - has made me a tad cynical....
    sorry mate I'll take them in my language means i will take them ...
    In the interests of clarity, I’m not suggesting it didn’t - what I’m saying is there are lots of tyre-kickers around, so for many sellers - until the money’s in the bank, the deal’s not done. Not ideal - but I can understand it.


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  • TeyeplayerTeyeplayer Frets: 647
    Been said many a time here: cash is king.

    In many ways, so is time. However it is worth having an equal awareness that we all suffer from chronic GAS on here and therefore are likely to suffer varying degrees of buyer or seller remorse (I know I do).
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  • sweepysweepy Frets: 1713
    I always say if I’m interested in something and I haven’t got the cash to hand that if someone else offers cash etc then take it  etc
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 1814
    “I’ll take it!” Followed with “pm me your payment details” is deal done. “I’ll take it” followed by silence doesn’t look great tbh. Unless I get paid within a few message exchanges with a buyer the item is still fair game.
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  • bgmartinsbridgebgmartinsbridge Frets: 771
    So here's one for you.
    When I sold my R8 cheap a while back I had two buyers email me saying they'd have it, within five mins of listing. 
    One paid me within ten mins and one got a little disgruntled as he didn't get it... 

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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13248
    mark123 said:

    sorry mate I'll take them in my language means i will take them ...
    The seller isn't obligated by what you say or what you mean. It's first to pay that gets it, not first to call dibs. 
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 3744
    mark123 said:
    I think unless you arrange to make payment - and do so quickly - ‘I’ll take it’ is little more than an expression of interest.

    The number of times I’ve e-mailed pictures and answered potential buyers’ questions - only to have them go silent - has made me a tad cynical....
    sorry mate I'll take them in my language means i will take them ...
    Yep, Im with you Mark... our forum, imho, is based on intergrity. But there’s a lot of good good people on here
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  • robgilmorobgilmo Frets: 1098
    edited June 6
    If I were to sell something, and someone said ''Ill take it'' I would at least give them first dibs by sending them a message asking them if they were still interested while letting the next potential buyer know what was happening, but things do have to move in the right direction.
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  • JerkMoansJerkMoans Frets: 1390
    People actually buy stuff on here? Really?!
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  • mikeyrob73mikeyrob73 Frets: 1973
    What @robgilmo said 
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  • mark123mark123 Frets: 189
    lonestar said:
    “I’ll take it!” Followed with “pm me your payment details” is deal done. “I’ll take it” followed by silence doesn’t look great tbh. Unless I get paid within a few message exchanges with a buyer the item is still fair game.
    i pmed him to send me his paypal details ....
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  • TTonyTTony Frets: 14342
    edited June 6
    mark123 said:
    I think unless you arrange to make payment - and do so quickly - ‘I’ll take it’ is little more than an expression of interest.

    The number of times I’ve e-mailed pictures and answered potential buyers’ questions - only to have them go silent - has made me a tad cynical....
    sorry mate I'll take them in my language means i will take them ...
    Yep, Im with you Mark... our forum, imho, is based on intergrity. But there’s a lot of good good people on here
    I think that's where we started.

    Back in the day, the Classifieds was a useful add-on to the community that allowed people to buy/sell/trade as part of being in the community.

    That's changed.

    The seller in this instance isn't really a member of the community.  He's a freeloader who happily uses the platform to sell stuff, but contributes nothing to any other aspect of the community, so - I would conclude - has little interest in the community or its (original) values.  

    In that world, cash is indeed king, and he satisfies his objectives in using the forum by selling stuff.  A quick sale is (I'm assuming) what he wants.  

    So, he's not being underhand or unfair or any other negative - he's just using the forum in the way that he wants to and the rules allow him to, albeit in a way that's at odds with the expectations of some who've been here a while and are genuine members of the wider community.  Different strokes for different folks.


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    The above probably sounds more critical of him that he deserves - there's no rule here that says you *must* contribute to other sections and we freely allow people to freeload.  It sounds more critical because my personal view (whether idealistic, naive or whatever) is that the community should be wider than the Classifieds alone, and because the freeloading approach doesn't sit comfortably with me.
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  • mark123mark123 Frets: 189
    mark123 said:
    I think unless you arrange to make payment - and do so quickly - ‘I’ll take it’ is little more than an expression of interest.

    The number of times I’ve e-mailed pictures and answered potential buyers’ questions - only to have them go silent - has made me a tad cynical....
    sorry mate I'll take them in my language means i will take them ...
    Yep, Im with you Mark... our forum, imho, is based on intergrity. But there’s a lot of good good people on here
    cheers i thought i was going mad ....
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 6907
    Sporky said:
    mark123 said:

    sorry mate I'll take them in my language means i will take them ...
    The seller isn't obligated by what you say or what you mean. It's first to pay that gets it, not first to call dibs. 
    I’m pretty much with Sporky here though what I do as a seller if I get multiple lines of interest is give people time frames. eg I’ll tell first interested party they have X amount of time to pay before I offer it to the other interested party, and tell second interested party I will contact them after X amount of time either to confirm the first person bought it, or that I can now sell to them. I feel like a day is reasonable. Though I don’t feel like sellers are obliged to do it.

    As a buyer I always try to pay instantly or if I can’t then give a time frame to do so - eg I will pay tomorrow before 9am. I feel like if you’d done this you’d have grounds to complain if the seller had agreed to those terms but then sold it anyway.

    Most people will honour their word but honestly until you’ve proved it to a person then they don’t have to believe you. If you sell enough gear someone will stand you up or pull out of a deal after you’ve waited... just because you know you’re not like that doesn’t mean the seller knows too
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 683
    mark123 said:
    lonestar said:
    “I’ll take it!” Followed with “pm me your payment details” is deal done. “I’ll take it” followed by silence doesn’t look great tbh. Unless I get paid within a few message exchanges with a buyer the item is still fair game.
    i pmed him to send me his paypal details ....
    If he ignored that request you have every reason to feel miffed but if he did send PayPal details and had then heard nothing from you several hours later I’m not surprised he sold to ano. Unfortunately there are too many time wasters replying to classifieds so it’s easy to get tarred with that brush if you delay responding, no matter how genuine your interest is.
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  • mli3mli3 Frets: 42
    There has to be a certain level of trust in this place though right? Ive been both a buyer and seller here, both times sending / receiving money to/from a complete stranger that in theory could happily pocket your dough and you’d have absolutely zero recourse.
    I do get the whole cash is king argument, but given that implied trust due to unverified sending of cash, maybe you could wait a bit if someone has committed... just my 2p worth 
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  • John_PJohn_P Frets: 1581
    Imo it’s bad form not to give the person who said they want it some time to complete.   If someone else shows an interest then explain you are waiting for payment and ask them to give you time to message the first buyer.   
    I understand the arguments about first to pay etc but at least give people a chance - not weeks but a day or so is ok isn’t it? 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13248
    edited June 6
    mark123 said:
    lonestar said:
    “I’ll take it!” Followed with “pm me your payment details” is deal done. “I’ll take it” followed by silence doesn’t look great tbh. Unless I get paid within a few message exchanges with a buyer the item is still fair game.
    i pmed him to send me his paypal details ....
    Ah - that's different.

    For what it's worth I've generally given people a day or so  but equally I've had people say "I'll have that for" under the asking price and then get uppity when someone else offers full whack and I sell to the person not haggling...

    I do find phrases like "I'll have that"  Or "I'll take that" a bit rude and presumptuous.
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • pintspillerpintspiller Frets: 513
    I've missed out a few times on stuff here. And felt a bit miffed at the time. But I got over it.

    As the wife says, "what meant for you won't go by you".
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  • As a seller I would always send the first guy a message saying "do you defo want this?,as I've other interest?" And if he doesn't respond,well then he can't complain. A bit of courtesy really.
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 6907
    Sporky said:
    mark123 said:
    lonestar said:
    “I’ll take it!” Followed with “pm me your payment details” is deal done. “I’ll take it” followed by silence doesn’t look great tbh. Unless I get paid within a few message exchanges with a buyer the item is still fair game.
    i pmed him to send me his paypal details ....
    Ah - that's different.

    For what it's worth I've generally given people a day or so  but equally I've had people say "I'll have that for" under the asking price and then get uppity when someone else offers full whack and I sell to the person not haggling...

    I do find phrases like "I'll have that"  Or "I'll take that" a bit rude and presumptuous.
    I'm probably butchering the law here but my understanding is it's the seller's choice to sell over the buyer's choice to buy (with the usual caveats about not discriminating etc)
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  • SkippedSkipped Frets: 2093
    Language is important.
    "I'll take them" means "sold".
    I don't see how there can be any misunderstanding about that .

    Others on the thread seem to be saying: "Yes but......experience has shown us that people who say "I'll take it" often do not  follow through".
    OK. Lets discuss that then. Why do buyers do that?

    A couple of years ago I sold a pair of high end monitors (Harbeth) on Wigwam. A poster pm'd me saying "I'll take them. Will pick them up next week"
    I asked him: "Are we shaking hands on a deal"?  He said yes.
    Language is important. This exchange of words told me that the speakers are now sold.
    The next day the buyer messaged me with an astonishing and tragic story about a series of events that had all taken place in 24 hours. This included him suddenly becoming insecure in his job, but there was a whole list of  reasons why he was backing out.
    There were so many excuses that I concluded that the buyer had the same clear understanding of the phrase "shaking hands on a deal" as I do.

    A couple of days later another buyer agreed to buy the Monitors and would "collect at the weekend". He also backed out with a story running into several paragraphs.
    And it then happened a third time.

    How do we explain this behaviour? An adult male sees an item that he desires and decides that he must have it before basic considerations such as - does he need it or does he have the means to buy. I am looking for the word and I believe the word is Childish.
    I cannot recall any woman I have known behaving like this.  =)


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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1117
    Skipped said:


    How do we explain this behaviour? An adult male sees an item that he desires and decides that he must have it before basic considerations such as - does he need it or does he have the means to buy. I am looking for the word and I believe the word is Childish.
    I cannot recall any woman I have known behaving like this.  =)

    No, a woman will just whack it on the credit card, never wear or use it and sling it in the back of a wardrobe only to take it to the charity shop amongst all the stuff YOU actually need and use when she decides you don’t need or use it!.
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  • mbembe Frets: 560
    I saw a 2017 Epi Dot for sale on Gumtree for £100. Ad had been on an hour. I replied offering to buy it same day for asking price.

    Got an email back saying 'sold, somebody coming to look at it tomorrow". I decided not to press the seller as I would have only flipped it.

    Later that week, the same guitar reappeared on Gumtree for £220. Different seller. I knew that would happen, not because I am clairvoyant or anything.

    I have seen countless threads on FB music gear selling pages. "I'll take it". Then guitar still for sale the following week and no obvious impediment to a straight sale.
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