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  • valevale Frets: 1039
    edited June 6
    while i sympathise with your frustration (& have been in that same situation many times), the flipside is people saying 'i'll definitely take it'... while they think about it. 'dog in the manger' time-wasters. there are a lot of them.

    if you are lucky they message back the next evening & say "sorry, something's come up" with an extended excuse, proportional in length & drama to their embarrassment.
    & that's the decent ones who bother to tell you when they have changed their mind. usually they just go quiet.

    as a seller those occasions eat away at your confidence in buyers' expressed intentions. so i know it from both sides. maybe i've become jaded & cynical, but it seems to be common feeling among sellers here.

    on the other hand, i will never say to a buyer 'i will keep it for you' if i don't mean it.
    i don't make promises i don't intend to keep. honour thing. & it pisses me off when others do.
    hofner hussie & hayman harpie. what she said...
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  • mark123mark123 Frets: 303
    so ....
    what do i say if i see something i want in the classifieds?
    yes, yes ,yes ,yes ,deffo 1000000%i will definitley have this ..

    and next time i think ive just  missed out on something i'll fire a message saying i will pay you straight away forget the other bloke who was in before me 

    never thought this was a clicky forum...
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  • valevale Frets: 1039
    i do understand your frustration & have had same. so i didn't mean to sound indifferent or callous in my post.
    & it was more in reference to flakey ebayers, which if you've ever sold on ebay you will know what i mean.
    i've never bought or sold here yet. but generally it seems less flakey than ebay.

    i think it's a case of don't count your chickens. but if someone says 'it's definitely yours' & then let's it go to someone else in a very short space of time... i would be grumpy about that.
    hofner hussie & hayman harpie. what she said...
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  • cpcompanycpcompany Frets: 107
    I am starting to wonder if it’s just a “guitarists” thing. I’ve had a few experiences of people wanting to buy something and then go silent or make a date to collect and cancel late on. I am a fairly laid back lad so it doesn’t concern me much. 

    Yet, I also sell a lot of synths and Eurorack gear and usually I have money in my paypal account buy the second or third email. 
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 2153
    mark123 said:
    lonestar said:
    “I’ll take it!” Followed with “pm me your payment details” is deal done. “I’ll take it” followed by silence doesn’t look great tbh. Unless I get paid within a few message exchanges with a buyer the item is still fair game.
    i pmed him to send me his paypal details ....

    Well that’s different. If you were first in and asked for details then this was poor form. If you weren’t the first to pm about it then I guess you just missed out which is unlucky. 
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 2153
    mark123 said:


    never thought this was a clicky forum...
    Of course it is. Every forum is the same in that respect. Every forum has a sub community.
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1723
    Wouldn't a message saying "I'll take it. PM me your PayPal details and I will pay you - I'm just off nights so it will be in around 10 hours" have prevented the issue from arising?

    The guy has obviously had your message but then heard nothing and got an offer of solid cash in from someone else. He doesn't know you and therefore doesn't know if you are a genuine buyer, I think it's very harsh to blame him for accepting someone else's hard-earned cash. Tough selling market out there. 
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • musteatbrainmusteatbrain Frets: 508
    if it was a forum members with a lot of posts that contributes to the forum more, i’d be annoyed. I usually avoid buying off people without much footprint. That said, I just bought from someone with only 1 post who approached me and he was very honest, helpful and reliable. Item arrived in the original box from years ago and was cheap and well packed. So whilst this place can sometimes be frustrating, it’s usually a lot better than eBay.
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  • NeilNeil Frets: 2353
    TTony said:
    mark123 said:
    I think unless you arrange to make payment - and do so quickly - ‘I’ll take it’ is little more than an expression of interest.

    The number of times I’ve e-mailed pictures and answered potential buyers’ questions - only to have them go silent - has made me a tad cynical....
    sorry mate I'll take them in my language means i will take them ...
    Yep, Im with you Mark... our forum, imho, is based on intergrity. But there’s a lot of good good people on here
    I think that's where we started.

    Back in the day, the Classifieds was a useful add-on to the community that allowed people to buy/sell/trade as part of being in the community.

    That's changed.

    The seller in this instance isn't really a member of the community.  He's a freeloader who happily uses the platform to sell stuff, but contributes nothing to any other aspect of the community, so - I would conclude - has little interest in the community or its (original) values.  

    In that world, cash is indeed king, and he satisfies his objectives in using the forum by selling stuff.  A quick sale is (I'm assuming) what he wants.  

    So, he's not being underhand or unfair or any other negative - he's just using the forum in the way that he wants to and the rules allow him to, albeit in a way that's at odds with the expectations of some who've been here a while and are genuine members of the wider community.  Different strokes for different folks.


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    The above probably sounds more critical of him that he deserves - there's no rule here that says you *must* contribute to other sections and we freely allow people to freeload.  It sounds more critical because my personal view (whether idealistic, naive or whatever) is that the community should be wider than the Classifieds alone, and because the freeloading approach doesn't sit comfortably with me.
    Couldn't agree more and on other forums I post on there is generally a post count/time limit on newbies being allowed into the sales area.

    IMO it does make the sales more equitable without so many chancers who fancy selling their stuff fee free.
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  • ourmaninthenorthourmaninthenorth Frets: 2617
    Depends.

    There are a whole phalanx of buyers out there who express the intent of "I'll take it" , often my first thought is, what, the piss?

    Then there are those that merely nod in my direction, and it's money in the bank.

    One gets a nose for it, and eventually learns to trust it..  
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 4116
    Pedal wise, Ive probably bought and sold as much as most on here... with very few bad experiences. 

    I tend to PM people, especially newbies, to get a ‘feel’ for them. This process tends to reveal the ‘heart’ of the person; from there I decide if the deal is a ‘goer’.

    Im with @downbytheriver here in that you get a sense of who to trust.

    Id like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum; personally, Id also like to think that people who know me, buy from me on this basis too...

    To the OP, mark it as a lesson learnt ar kid :)
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  • miserneilmiserneil Frets: 5280
    The seller has obviously taken the old adage “you snooze, you lose” quite literally in this case...
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  • GagarynGagaryn Frets: 1470
    mark123 said:
    Not naming, but agreed to buy something on the classifieds ,messaged seller saying i will take them.
    I had just finished a 12hr shift ,went to sleep, woke up, and now item has been sold to someone else because i didnt get back to them!
    I would have thought" i will take them" means "i will take them "..not even 10 hrs given to reply 
    if it was a couple of days fair enough but 10 hrs  =)
    10 night time hours and 10 day time hours change perception.
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 12597
    You have to remember that there are a lot of time-wasters and tyre-kickers on here - folk who've said "I'll buy that, send me your details" and then had an attack of slightly-premature buyer's remorse and dragged it out before canning the whole thing.

    In that context, "I'll take it, send me your details" isn't actually "deal done" or anything like it, it's just an expression of interest (as mentioned). The seller doesn't know you, and has no frame of reference for your intent other than the above context.

    So yeah...it's annoying, but it's the price you pay for free and easy classifieds where the prices are usually significantly lower than elsewhere.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • downbytheriverdownbytheriver Frets: 224
    Pedal wise, Ive probably bought and sold as much as most on here... with very few bad experiences. 

    I tend to PM people, especially newbies, to get a ‘feel’ for them. This process tends to reveal the ‘heart’ of the person; from there I decide if the deal is a ‘goer’.

    Im with @downbytheriver here in that you get a sense of who to trust.

    Id like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum; personally, Id also like to think that people who know me, buy from me on this basis too...

    To the OP, mark it as a lesson learnt ar kid :)
    Despite the fact that I think Waz has me confused with @ourmaninthenorth - I completely concur - my first instinct is to trust but you get a nose for it! 

    I have one tale tale that presents a more complex issue but I think I’ll save it for now even if it grates with me daily (for the last twenty odd years!)
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  • lovestrat74lovestrat74 Frets: 411
    edited June 7
    mark123 said:
    lonestar said:
    “I’ll take it!” Followed with “pm me your payment details” is deal done. “I’ll take it” followed by silence doesn’t look great tbh. Unless I get paid within a few message exchanges with a buyer the item is still fair game.
    i pmed him to send me his paypal details ....
    Perhaps he is a Markist 
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 941
    mark123 said:
    so ....
    what do i say if i see something i want in the classifieds?
    yes, yes ,yes ,yes ,deffo 1000000%i will definitley have this ..

    and next time i think ive just  missed out on something i'll fire a message saying i will pay you straight away forget the other bloke who was in before me 

    never thought this was a clicky forum...

    Is it reasonable to call the forum 'clicky' because some don't support your point of view? 'Clicky' suggests some sort of cohorts with the seller but most posting here neither know nor care who the seller is.

    In fairness, most members would like sales and purchases to be conducted as you wish they were. They often are between members who know each other through previous history here but @TTony says that your particular seller is a freeloader, someone who just wants the quickest possible sale. He probably had several offers for a bargain guitar and simply accepted the first to pay. That's business even if it galls.

    What should you say next time? It's not so much what you say as what you do that matters. If you really want something tell the seller and then make sure you get payment off to him without delay, even if it means sitting up for a while when you'd rather be in bed.

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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1723
    Jimbro66 said:
    It's not so much what you say as what you do that matters. 
    This. +1.

    Plus I'm a little surprised at the lack of grammar pedants correcting the word to 'cliquey'. Unless the poster was intending to liken people to metronomes....
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • prlgmnrprlgmnr Frets: 544
    Hattigol said:
    Jimbro66 said:
    It's not so much what you say as what you do that matters. 
    This. +1.

    Plus I'm a little surprised at the lack of grammar pedants correcting the word to 'cliquey'. Unless the poster was intending to liken people to metronomes....
    It didn't even occur to me that that was what he meant to say, I thought he was saying something to do with whoever clicks fastest gets the deal. Or something about clickbait. Not that that makes any sense.
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 4116
    Pedal wise, Ive probably bought and sold as much as most on here... with very few bad experiences. 

    I tend to PM people, especially newbies, to get a ‘feel’ for them. This process tends to reveal the ‘heart’ of the person; from there I decide if the deal is a ‘goer’.

    Im with @downbytheriver here in that you get a sense of who to trust.

    Id like to think that honesty and integrity are still the heart of this forum; personally, Id also like to think that people who know me, buy from me on this basis too...

    To the OP, mark it as a lesson learnt ar kid
    Despite the fact that I think Waz has me confused with @ourmaninthenorth - I completely concur - my first instinct is to trust but you get a nose for it! 

    I have one tale tale that presents a more complex issue but I think I’ll save it for now even if it grates with me daily (for the last twenty 
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 4116
    @ourmaninthenorth @downbytheriver ;

    That’ll teach me to use an iPad on a Turkish beach !! :)


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  • StuartMac290StuartMac290 Frets: 656
    prlgmnr said:
    Hattigol said:
    Jimbro66 said:
    It's not so much what you say as what you do that matters. 
    This. +1.

    Plus I'm a little surprised at the lack of grammar pedants correcting the word to 'cliquey'. Unless the poster was intending to liken people to metronomes....
    It didn't even occur to me that that was what he meant to say, I thought he was saying something to do with whoever clicks fastest gets the deal. Or something about clickbait. Not that that makes any sense.
    I thought it might have been an arthritis reference.
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  • lovestrat74lovestrat74 Frets: 411
    As me old Dad always says; If you think that others think the same as you, you will always be disappointed ..
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16332
    I think the most obvious stuff has been said - depends on whether they are a regular or a classifieds-only type, if they are jaded, and if they have had bad experiences in the past...

    ..however, the classifieds here are a great resource, they are free to use, and you don’t have to jump over a hurdle to get into them like a lot of forums. 

    Itdoesn’t matter where you go, you’ll always get unscrupulous buyers or sellers - that would be nigh on impossible to police. I don’t think it’s any more cliquey here than most online communities.
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 9765
    I think there's maybe a little improvement could be made on both sides of the transaction, but I can definitely understand why OP is a bit miffed. 

    Adding a simple "I'm after a quick sale, so first to pay gets it" or whatever would've made the seller's position much clearer. But then a lot of folks don't invest too much in that sort of forward thinking, or indeed in the community nature of TheFB.
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  • DanDan Frets: 141
    Ive brought and sold on here a fair amount. Generally had really good experiences on here

    When im selling stuff I go for whoever offers asking first or if its an offer and I accept it, its theirs until it completes, they back out or dont respond to PM's. Even if I get a higher offer. Dont even mind if people back out of the sale as long as they tell me.

    If other people are interested, I keep them in the loop and say if it falls through its yours if you want it.

    What I dont like (and whats happened to me on here) is when I ask if they will hold it for me until 'x' amount of time. They agree and I get back to them within that time frame and they say its gone.
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3488
    After a fair few non-sales on this forum, I prefer those who are open enough to communicate the fact that they have changed their minds or found a more agreeable price elsewhere or a shorter trip to view and collect over those who either go silent or lay the sob stories on with a trowel.

    Perhaps, a negative trading feedback timewaster emoticon is called for? 


    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • midlifecrisismidlifecrisis Frets: 1272
    theres in easy answer that will avoid all this.
    simply put in the advert, genuine buyers only, time wasters need not apply.   thats 100% guaranteed to weed em out :) :) :)
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  • DrJazzTapDrJazzTap Frets: 922
    i think its all to do with  language. The Rivera amp I bought, I sent the chap a message saying "I will buy this amp off of you, and I'll be down tomorrow to collect". 
    To me saying "ill take this or those then" is an acknowledgement the deal is done/you're interested in the item and agree to the price. If they dick around afterwards then that's not on. I believe that you just need to be crystal clear and stick to your word. If someone says "i'll take it then" i would give them a few days to come back to me, if I heard no response I would then sell to the next in line. It's what I would want as a buyer.
    I would love to change my username, but I fully understand the T&C's (it was an old band nickname). So please feel free to call me Dave.
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  • SeshSesh Frets: 933
    I see the OP's seller has started a discussion in the main guitar section. I think the suggestion of being a free loader may have touched a nerve. 

    Now, although I don't consider frets as heirachal, they do indicate a level of engagement on the forum. I'd be more worried dealing with a user with only a few frets than someone with more than 1000 as you'd assume a scammer would get banned before amassing a high fret count. Unless they were playing a really long game. Like @?????
    Can't sing, can't dance, can handle a guitar a little.
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