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WolfetoneWolfetone Frets: 1100
I am curious to discover why Microsoft is so aggressively insistent upon my having their updates? There has been a nag screen come up every day about restarting my computer and it hasn't been convenient as I have been working. They started off by the usual 'start now' or 'remind me later' malarkey but just now, they upped the ante by asking me to nominate a time or restart now.

This is a real intrusion into my workflow and I was wondering if Microsoft have another darker reason for their insistence? I think I can safely assume that MS don't give a flying frig about me as an individual and, as most corporations do, would only consider their own well being.

I'm probably being stupidly paranoid and seeing a conspiracy where there is none. I always keep my tech up to date but I like to do it when I decide.
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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 9334
    Once upon a time a Windoze "update" totally knacked up my machine. These days I only install updates if I think they are going to keep me out of trouble.
    "Working" software has only unobserved bugs. (Parroty Error: Pieces of Nine! Pieces of Nine!)
    Seriously: If you value it, take/fetch it yourself
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 11798
    Turn them off. Switch your internet settings to 'metered connection' and you don't get the auto updates. 

    Not all of the updates are due to Microsoft software flaws. Remember the ol' Intel problems...

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/12/patch_tuesday_microsoft_june_2018/


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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2407
    edited June 14
    Because unpatched workstations are a security threat. If you care about your data, you would update your machines. If you care about your data on other peoples machines, you should want those updated too.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 18325
    Beware .. they can screw your system up. We lost two PC's. Had to have a clean install of the OS.
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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 3611
    Imagine how long Microsoft would last if they didn't bother patching security issues as soon as they're made aware of them. There are entities constantly trying to find a new ways of hacking the OS, if Windows didn't get any more updates because Microsoft were afraid it annoyed people they'd be obliterated.

    That's not to say some updates aren't annoying. Anyone else got the sudden appearance of a new drive partition that Windows insists on telling you is running out of disk space every 5 minutes?
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  • PabloPablo Frets: 21
    The big change to Windows Update with Windows 10 is the use of "Feature Updates" every 6 months. These are effectively a re-install of Windows. Instead of future installs requiring 150+updates or service packs, it will simply "update" to the newest version.

    That's why they're aggressively pushing them - to keep as many people as possible on a minimum viable version. There are exceptions, but that's the gist of it.

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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1541
    I’m sure they do it just to specifically piss you off.

    Can’t think of any other reasons why a software provider would bother pushing patches for one of its products, no sir, none at all.
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2407
    Pablo said:
     Instead of future installs requiring 150+updates or service packs, it will simply "update" to the newest version.


    It isn't such a big change. Service Packs contained feature updates too, but people use to disable/ignore them.
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  • Axe_meisterAxe_meister Frets: 2268
    It is MS pushing us to a cloud subscription model. Notice how functionality of a lot of app in windows has reduced (media players with local content, lack of DVD support).
    But also security holes that are being found that nobody could have foreseen.
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  • mudslide73mudslide73 Frets: 1720
    I'm a system admin and I'm glad they bother to patch their stuff. 
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 3662
    The trouble is there’s a lot that can go wrong during an update ...  permissions can become corrupt, services can refuse to start, drivers can be updated to incompatible versions. The shop I work for gets around 20 machines a week screwed by Win 10 updates ... I’m pleased for the owner as it pays his mortgage but when I have to actually cover the shop and sort that shit out myself it’s mind numbingly boring and makes me want to throw the machines out the window. 
    I don’t activate my own version of 10 it seems to install a lot less updates if you don’t activate it 
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  • WolfetoneWolfetone Frets: 1100
    PC_Dave said:
    I’m sure they do it just to specifically piss you off.

    Can’t think of any other reasons why a software provider would bother pushing patches for one of its products, no sir, none at all.
    Haha, no I'm certain they're not and I can certainly see the value in keeping security patches up to date but a lot of time it'll be a new screensaver or a game they've added.

    What I need is a 'feck off and don't bother me again with this shit' button. 
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 18325
    Wolfetone said:
    What I need is a 'feck off and don't bother me again with this shit' button. 
    Switch off the update service.
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13808
    You could always install XP instead.  You won't get bothered about updates for that.

    You'll probably have half of the world poking around your hard drive within a week, but hey... No updates !
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
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  • themeinsidethemeinside Frets: 173
    Almost lost a whole PC thanks to a recent update- got away with only losing system settings etc.- basically just a reset of the OS but preserving personal files. Scared the living b'Jezuz out of me though. Never liked being coerced into updates- now i'm doubly careful!
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  • siremoonsiremoon Frets: 577
    edited June 15
    Turn them off. Switch your internet settings to 'metered connection' and you don't get the auto updates.

    Depends what Win10 build you have.  MS changed it (in build 1703 I think) so that certain updates will still occur even with a metered connection.  Needless to say it's MS who decide which updates that applies to.
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 11798
    siremoon said:
    Turn them off. Switch your internet settings to 'metered connection' and you don't get the auto updates.

    Depends what Win10 build you have.  MS changed it (in build 1703 I think) so that certain updates will still occur even with a metered connection.  Needless to say it's MS who decide which updates that applies to.
    Windows 10 Pro here. The metered connection non-update trick did get reset by the last feature update, which was 1803, but a a simple click back to metered connection sorted that. 


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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2386


    Sounds just like my iphone, new IOS every few weeks, I always end up rushing for something and then have to put my code in and tell it when It needs to be updated.  Pretty much all modern tech needs this, Windows just has a much bigger task covering a multitude of different make and spec machines.

    Currently looking for a new decent laptop, threads like this put me off windows but then again whilst MAC OS might be much more stable, I'd end up with the worry that if a MacBook pro key goes it would cost £600 to repair.

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  • gavin_axecastergavin_axecaster Frets: 230
    edited June 15
    Has MS sorted the conflict that W10 had with the OS being on an SSD but other connected drives being disk drives? That broke my system (I think on the first anniversary update?) and I rolled back to W7.
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  • meltedbuzzboxmeltedbuzzbox Frets: 7856
    It is MS pushing us to a cloud subscription model. Notice how functionality of a lot of app in windows has reduced (media players with local content, lack of DVD support).
    But also security holes that are being found that nobody could have foreseen.
    Are you being sold a vdi solution?
    No you're not.

    Ms media player has never supported DVD play back. At least I don't recall it on 98/2000/2003/XP and possibly Vista. Just use vlc player 
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  • WolfetoneWolfetone Frets: 1100
    Update - Today for example, I was on with a client in New Zealand and I had just got up. My 6:30 was his 17:30.

    During the conversation I had to access a photo on my computer and FRIG ME, the stupid computer had done an over night update and started asking me endless questions about my permissions. This went on to be about seven or eight screens that I couldn't exit out of until I had answered the inane questions about sending back diagnostic info etc.

    I told my customer that I would send the file along later but it was really annoying as MS had removed my choice as to whether I wanted to answer their questions or access my data in a hurry.
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  • Danny1969Danny1969 Frets: 3662
    It is MS pushing us to a cloud subscription model. Notice how functionality of a lot of app in windows has reduced (media players with local content, lack of DVD support).
    But also security holes that are being found that nobody could have foreseen.
    Are you being sold a vdi solution?
    No you're not.

    Ms media player has never supported DVD play back. At least I don't recall it on 98/2000/2003/XP and possibly Vista. Just use vlc player 
    Media Player supported DVD, then it didn't unless a codec was installed due to legal reasons then it did again in later releases. 
    Buy yeah, VLC player is the dogs, plays anything !
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 4080
    Has MS sorted the conflict that W10 had with the OS being on an SSD but other connected drives being disk drives? That broke my system (I think on the first anniversary update?) and I rolled back to W7.

    I've got 2 machines with SSD for OS and a conventional drive for data.  Haven't had any problems with either.
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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 3611
    edited June 15
    crunchman said:
    Has MS sorted the conflict that W10 had with the OS being on an SSD but other connected drives being disk drives...

    I've got 2 machines with SSD for OS and a conventional drive for data.  Haven't had any problems with either.
    No issues here either, that's been my situation for the last 4 years, and upgraded win 7 to win 10 on one of my machines about 2 years ago when the free upgrade badgering train was rolling through town.
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 4080
    crunchman said:
    Has MS sorted the conflict that W10 had with the OS being on an SSD but other connected drives being disk drives? That broke my system (I think on the first anniversary update?) and I rolled back to W7.

    I've got 2 machines with SSD for OS and a conventional drive for data.  Haven't had any problems with either.

    Was thinking about this a bit more.  Was the one you had problems with one that came with lots of bloatware from whoever made your machine?  Both of mine were installs I did myself with an ISO.
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  • ClashmanClashman Frets: 167
    I had problems with a freezing screen Winows 10 but recently it seems to have been cured ,possibly
    by an update ..
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  • crunchman said:
    crunchman said:
    Has MS sorted the conflict that W10 had with the OS being on an SSD but other connected drives being disk drives? That broke my system (I think on the first anniversary update?) and I rolled back to W7.

    I've got 2 machines with SSD for OS and a conventional drive for data.  Haven't had any problems with either.

    Was thinking about this a bit more.  Was the one you had problems with one that came with lots of bloatware from whoever made your machine?  Both of mine were installs I did myself with an ISO.
    No, mine was an upgrade from a fresh W7 Pro installation. i was running 10 for a while then the anniversary update borked it. I had to reinstall W7 from scratch
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13808
    So.... just how many of you are still running Windows 7 then ?
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
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  • Tone71Tone71 Frets: 293
    I've actually got so sick of windows that have just bought a mac, have never been on the iTrain and have always had windows since '98, 10 was driving me nuts

    So far my software life is 100% easier
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  • 57Deluxe57Deluxe Frets: 6006
    edited June 17
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