Fender Tweed Champ or Fender Princeton 68

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shaunmshaunm Frets: 893
Two very different amps. I know this but I am thinking about an amp to get as a plug and play at home amp. 

Ive played both and love them both for different reasons. 

What do you guys think? If you had to pick one of these which would it be for a plug and play amp.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1427
    I think the fender 57 tweed champs are too much for what they are.  I bought a fender champion 600 used for £100 had a 5F1 switch fitted and recovered in tweed, sounds amazing total spend maybe £300.

    Some boutique makers make tweed champs for less than fender, I think there was a tweed rift on here recently not sure if its still there.

    I haven't played the princeton but most amps I have played over 5watt are too loud and (in my case) too physically big for home use.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1427
    I would add @Danny1969 I think sells a device which would give a master volume to a Deluxe reverb I think if that floats your boat.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8331
    As a living room amp I'd go Princeton every time. I built a Tweed Champ clone and it sounds great, but the softer midrange and reverb make the Princeton a much more usable home amp. 
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32270
    Given that the Champ is actually more expensive than the Princeton it's not even a close call - Princeton. So much more amp for the money, and the bigger speaker, reverb and EQ make it much more usable at home volume even though it's more powerful.

    I had an original '59 Tweed Champ, and it *did* sound nice at home volume, but it needed pedals to get anything more than a slightly boxy clean tone.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • shaunmshaunm Frets: 893
    @ICBM said:
    Given that the Champ is actually more expensive than the Princeton it's not even a close call - Princeton. So much more amp for the money, and the bigger speaker, reverb and EQ make it much more usable at home volume even though it's more powerful.

    I had an original '59 Tweed Champ, and it *did* sound nice at home volume, but it needed pedals to get anything more than a slightly boxy clean tone.
    @icbm what if you were going to use it to record also?
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32270
    shaunm said:

    @icbm what if you were going to use it to record also?
    Still the Princeton unless the Champ was much cheaper, or you specifically want that 'trumpety' midrange tone of the Champ when it's cranked and nothing else.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • Modulus_AmpsModulus_Amps Frets: 562
    No brainer - Princeton

    Champs are cool, but they are not desert island amps
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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1379
    No brainer - Princeton

    Champs are cool, but they are not desert island amps

    If I was on a desert island I'd get the loudest amp possible, it's more likely that somebody will hear it and rescue me.
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  • BluesyDaveBluesyDave Frets: 303
    Definitely Princeton.  Reverb and trem....you can't go wrong.
    No Darling....I've had that ages.
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  • fandangofandango Frets: 1083
    Another vote for the Princeton.

    As others have said, its a no-brainer and you can’t go wrong.

    If you need to dirty up the tone, add an 805 Overdrive and/or a Veteran Germanium. Then sprinkle a little Vapor Trail into the mix, a side helping of Caverns, and Bob’s you uncle.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1427
    Right firstly I put blood sweat and tears into my little champ you insensitive bunch : )

    Secondly have you seen the feeler for the Swart AST in the for sale threads?
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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3251
    Any opinions for or against these?


    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3127
    Any opinions for or against these?


    That was what I fancied when I ended up buying the '68 because the only reasonable priced one I found was too far to drive! On paper they sound like they very much fix the problems I dislike about the 68

    And if there's anything good about me, I'm the only one who knows

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  • handsomerikhandsomerik Frets: 538
    I have a Princeton 68 and it’s perfect for home use. Brilliantly useable taper on the volume knob from whisper quiet all the way up and it won’t really get to the nasty overdrive levels at home or even pretty loud usage. Reverb and tremolo are brilliant on it too. Also takes pedals very well indeed. 
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  • brooombrooom Frets: 213
    Or... a silverface champ/vibrochamp
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  • AnchorboyAnchorboy Frets: 101
    Princeton .. and if you can get one go for a Recording model. 

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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3127
    I have a Princeton 68 and it’s perfect for home use. Brilliantly useable taper on the volume knob from whisper quiet all the way up and it won’t really get to the nasty overdrive levels at home or even pretty loud usage. Reverb and tremolo are brilliant on it too. Also takes pedals very well indeed. 

    You must have a bigger room than me then! Never been able to get it quiet enough to play at home. Reverb and trem are nice apart from the hum and ticking that prevents you using half the dial...

    And if there's anything good about me, I'm the only one who knows

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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8331
    The Princeton tremolo shouldn't tick.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1427
    I realise Andertons isn't universally liked but interesting video where Lee Anderton plays at the actual volume he plays in his office and admits a princeton would be no good at that level even with pedals and sticks with his vox modeller.

    Everyones home levels are different, I play my THR at whisper volumes at home, my champ is no good at that volume.
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2258

    This is what my Princeton sounds like at home levels, much prefer it to the THR I had at any volume.


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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3775
    shaunm said:
    @ICBM said:
    Given that the Champ is actually more expensive than the Princeton it's not even a close call - Princeton. So much more amp for the money, and the bigger speaker, reverb and EQ make it much more usable at home volume even though it's more powerful.

    I had an original '59 Tweed Champ, and it *did* sound nice at home volume, but it needed pedals to get anything more than a slightly boxy clean tone.
    @icbm what if you were going to use it to record also?
    Download the free version of Amplitube.  Will probably give you better results than mic'ing an amp is likely to.

    For the cost of an SM57 to mic things with, you could download the Scuffham stuff.
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  • algroves1algroves1 Frets: 14

    This is what my Princeton sounds like at home levels, much prefer it to the THR I had at any volume.


    That clip sounds great!  Mind me asking what pedals you're running through there?
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2258
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    algroves1 said:

    This is what my Princeton sounds like at home levels, much prefer it to the THR I had at any volume.


    That clip sounds great!  Mind me asking what pedals you're running through there?
    Thanks.  Think it was just a Sweet Honey Overdrive.

    EDIT:  Sorry, obviously the looper as well, was a Zoom G3.
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  • mistercharliemistercharlie Frets: 324
    My Princeton Reverb has a master volume mod that lets me run it quieter. Also consider turning the amp, up to around 5, and turning the volume down on the guitar. It sounds way better than the other way around. 
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8331

    This is what my Princeton sounds like at home levels, much prefer it to the THR I had at any volume.


    That sounds very nice @menamestom ;
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32270
    p90fool said:

    This is what my Princeton sounds like at home levels, much prefer it to the THR I had at any volume.
    That sounds very nice @menamestom ;
    I find it surprising that anyone can't get a usable tone out of an amp like this at home levels - and I don't mean loud, I mean TV volume. The pot taper is very nice on them.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2258
    p90fool said:

    This is what my Princeton sounds like at home levels, much prefer it to the THR I had at any volume.

    That sounds very nice @menamestom ;
    Thanks!  I'm currently thinking I need to get those pickups back, why did I sell them :s 

    ICBM said:

    I find it surprising that anyone can't get a usable tone out of an amp like this at home levels - and I don't mean loud, I mean TV volume. The pot taper is very nice on them.

    Exactly, TV volume.  Nice clean base tone, no background noise, decent sized speaker for home, takes pedals well.
    It's all you really need.  Just a bit of gain from a pedal to add some hair to the sound.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1427
    See now you chaps have me thinking about selling my tweedie champ and getting a used princeton to mod with a master volume.  Its not tweed but built in fender tremolo and reverb.  hmmm.
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  • shaunmshaunm Frets: 893
    munckee said:
    See now you chaps have me thinking about selling my tweedie champ and getting a used princeton to mod with a master volume.  Its not tweed but built in fender tremolo and reverb.  hmmm.
    Dibs
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1427
    shaunm said:
    munckee said:
    See now you chaps have me thinking about selling my tweedie champ and getting a used princeton to mod with a master volume.  Its not tweed but built in fender tremolo and reverb.  hmmm.
    Dibs
    If I can bear to part with it you will have first shout mate.

    Anyone close to Portsmouth area care to lt me try a Princeton?

    @thecolourbox I thought the 68 was supposed to be better due to more gain, but watched a couple of videos and I think I would definitely prefer the 65, which means spending a bit more and no break up and house volume unless I got it modded.
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