Hosepipe ban

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strtdvstrtdv Frets: 1161
edited June 29 in Off Topic
Hosepipe ban just came into effect this evening, which has made watering the garden a nuisance as I'm having to do it with watering cans. 
I don't think I was using lots of excess water with the hose anyway, so I reckon the savings there are pretty small.
I'm clearly not just going to let all the plants and the lawn die.

What irritates me is that the what had precipitated (excuse the pun) this ban is the increase in water use from about 160 litres a day to 200 litres a day, which in a population of 1.8 million is 72 million litres a day, when leaks in the mains supply accounts for over 160 million litres a day.

I don't see why I should not water my garden when NI water cant be bothered to fix their leaks.

It's the equivalent to having the fuel line leaking in my car so under hard acceleration the engine is starved of fuel, and suggesting the solution is to avoid accelerating.

Obviously leaks can't be reduced to 0, but that's 37% of our water wasted in leaks, a figure which doesn't appear to have improved since 2002. Even worse, NI water regard this as "hitting their target" as we're only wasting 161 million litres a day rather than 167 million.

(Figures from NI water public accounts publications)

We live in a country where it rains 50% of the year, surely water shortages in summer are avoidable?
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2621
    As I understand it, a hose pipe ban means not using mains water: to water the lawn or flower beds, not washing the car, not washing the windows or external doors etc. If you have a private well or a water harvesting system, it does not apply to you. Same if you bring water from a river or lake to do those jobs. Filling a watering can from the mains is no different than using a hose pipe. IMHO of course.
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 4043
    edited June 29
    We are serviced by Severn Trent - about a week ago they told us no ban required - Plenty of water and showed a reservoir at a decent level - Such a big point was made of this no ban required that you feel there is a BUT !!!!!! - Almost like a vote of confidence in a football manager who has lost 10 on the trot

    Took the dog for a walk across the park today and starting to look like the summer of 76 now
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  • strtdvstrtdv Frets: 1161
    Rocker said:
    As I understand it, a hose pipe ban means not using mains water: to water the lawn or flower beds, not washing the car, not washing the windows or external doors etc. If you have a private well or a water harvesting system, it does not apply to you. Same if you bring water from a river or lake to do those jobs. Filling a watering can from the mains is no different than using a hose pipe. IMHO of course.
    Apparently not, it's only using a hosepipe in any of those activities, although obviously if you have your own private water supply you can do what you like.
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 18183
    Inevitable after a couple of weeks of hot weather in this country....
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  • DougDoug Frets: 103
    +1 @strtdv fix the F*^%$"£ leaks!!
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  • blobbblobb Frets: 803
    edited June 29
    Severn Trent reservoirs are at 88%, it's the service reservoirs that are starting to run low as people draw them down too fast (they can only refill at a certain rate). Then again, ST have plenty of reservoir capacity compared to the South East.

    https://www.stwater.co.uk/about-us/reservoir-levels/raw-water-storage-levels-18-june-2018/

    Last time Thames tried to build a new reservoir the locals went nuts, citing the leakage argument. The majority of Thames water leaks are underneath London, if they dig London up to fix the ageing Victorian pipes then they get grief from road users. It's a tough problem to solve - esp. with their, at times, (cough) dodgy accounting practices.

    At the end of the day, it's hot and in hot weather grass dries out. The water that people waste on keeping their lawns looking lush is good enough quality that you can feed it to your baby.

    I don't think it's too much of an ask to manage this precious resource as much as possible.

    I don't know the NI situation but I guess they are not a big enough entity to have massive resources to work with.


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  • jdgmjdgm Frets: 51
    Wait until August.
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  • usedtobeusedtobe Frets: 2398
    I’m on a meter. I use what I’m prepared to pay for.
     so if you fancy a reissue of a guitar they never made in a colour they never used then it probably isn't too overpriced.

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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8625
    Seen on the blackboard outside a pub in Maidenhead during a hosepipe ban in the late 1990s:

    "Due to the water shortage all beer will be sold at full strength"

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  • 57Deluxe57Deluxe Frets: 5514
    is pissing on your plants good for them??
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  • vasselmeyervasselmeyer Frets: 2231
    I was 8 years old in 1976, and I still remember it. This summer is beginning to feel like it. Despite all the complaints, our water system is in a much better state now than in the 1970s. It's unlikely we'll get stand pipes and bowsers. I remember having to take a bucket along to a stand pipe so we could flush the toilet once per day.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 17576
    57Deluxe said:
    is pissing on your plants good for them??
    Depends on how hydrated you are.
    I am the juice of four limes.
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  • SimonCSimonC Frets: 664
    57Deluxe said:
    is pissing on your plants good for them??
    As long as you’re not drinking from a hosepipe.
    More Cowbell !
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  • sev112sev112 Frets: 371
    In the past week we’ve had 2 invasions of ants - once in the bathroom (on the upstairs floor!) and once in the kitchen, both cases they appear to be looking for water- anyone ever come across this before ? 
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2182
    usedtobe said:
    I’m on a meter. I use what I’m prepared to pay for.
    Metering water is the best way to encourage thrifty usage. Since moving to an area where metering is in use (and water  expensive) I've become much more thoughtful about my use. But the real wake up call for me was spending a year in Africa and seeing young children having to carry water daily for all their domestic needs -  makes you realise how priviliged we are and how thoughtless.
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  • ronnybronnyb Frets: 459
    Apparently it isn't because there is a shortage it's because the water companies can't supply the increased usage fast enough.
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  • DefaultMDefaultM Frets: 1869
    So now I'm paying £53 a month for water I'm not allowed to use? Nice.
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  • roundthebendroundthebend Frets: 346
    sev112 said:
    In the past week we’ve had 2 invasions of ants - once in the bathroom (on the upstairs floor!) and once in the kitchen, both cases they appear to be looking for water- anyone ever come across this before ? 
    We've had ants in our upstairs bathroom too. Though they were more interested in the spilled Listerine mouthwash than water, it seemed.

    Doesn't look like there's a hosepipe ban for Anglian Water currently, so I'll give our back garden desert a soak this evening. 
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  • vasselmeyervasselmeyer Frets: 2231
    I know the utility companies need to get their act together to fix leaks, but the number of self-entitled pricks I've heard saying, "I pay for it so I'll use it how I want" is pissing me off.

    Use electricity as much as you want as there's rarely a shortage of that, but water is a completely different matter and it needs to be carefully conserved when we're asked.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13757
    I hate hosepipe bans. I can’t have a piss for weeks...
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2192

     Watering my lawn is something I never usually do, but this morning I had the hose pipe handy so started sprinkling the parched areas.  Then I thought, the pressure is low, demand is probably massive and the heat is almost unprecedented, so I stopped and though.  Does it really matter if my lawn is green?  Especially since fires are raging 15 miles away on the moors.


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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5256
    Let's be clear.  Water companies LIKE hosepipe bans. It allows them to act like they are the victim to the regulator and critics.  "We are doing great, its the wasteful public who are the problem".
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  • sev112sev112 Frets: 371
    I’ve decided that having the grass long and green just encourages the b^^^^^^ ants to dig it all up in their massive colonies,

    so im letting them get parched by keeping it short and dry, at the same time as ant powdering the perimeter of the house.

    im not even gonna pour boiling water on them - I reckon they’ll drink it up and welcome it !


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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2182
    Chalky said:
    Let's be clear.  Water companies LIKE hosepipe bans. It allows them to act like they are the victim to the regulator and critics.  "We are doing great, its the wasteful public who are the problem".
    That's a stretch. Logic would say they don't like them, esp if they meter their customers, as they'll make less profit.
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 565
    sev112 said:
    In the past week we’ve had 2 invasions of ants - once in the bathroom (on the upstairs floor!) and once in the kitchen, both cases they appear to be looking for water- anyone ever come across this before ? 
    What was about the ants' demeanour that made you conclude this? Were they just looking very very thirsty?
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • sev112sev112 Frets: 371
    Hattigol said:
    sev112 said:
    In the past week we’ve had 2 invasions of ants - once in the bathroom (on the upstairs floor!) and once in the kitchen, both cases they appear to be looking for water- anyone ever come across this before ? 
    What was about the ants' demeanour that made you conclude this? Were they just looking very very thirsty?
    That most of them were around the sinks and shower / bath rather than any obvious food, crumbs etc
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  • WezVWezV Frets: 8398
    Chalky said:
    Let's be clear.  Water companies LIKE hosepipe bans. It allows them to act like they are the victim to the regulator and critics.  "We are doing great, its the wasteful public who are the problem".
    How much time do people actually spend criticising water companies?

    I would place a safe bet that 99.9% of the criticism they receive only occurs in times of water shortage.
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  • blobbblobb Frets: 803
    Chalky said:
    Let's be clear.  Water companies LIKE hosepipe bans. It allows them to act like they are the victim to the regulator and critics.  "We are doing great, its the wasteful public who are the problem".
    Guff.

    Those that have the resources available are investing multiple millions of pounds on continuity of supply projects to divert water from plentiful areas into the ones that go short. Why? Because hosepipe bans are a massive public relations disaster and the regulatory model penalises poor customer service (have you ever tied to call BT?). Just remember, every time you moan about water companies you are moaning about real people with jobs who work around the clock under extreme pressure to make sure the water you get is safe and as available as it can be. by all means have a dig at the businessmen who have swamped the industry in recent times but their job is to make profit, 'cos profit makes the world go round.

    ..and they take all your shit away too - including all your cotton buds, condoms & sanitary towels (put them in the bin!) - for peanuts in real cash terms.
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  • Jez6345789Jez6345789 Frets: 880
    I think there is a big difference between now and 76 and that’s now water is in private ownership owned by large corporations.

    So when I see some stupid corporate mouth piece telling me we need to all work together or get a free egg timer for the shower to time and reduce my water usage my answer is F you.

    in certain places privatisation may of been a good thing in utilities it was not.

    its been the worst excess of state sanctioned corporate greed. fat cats and big dividends funded off the land assets transferred to private ownership.

    so usual 6 minute shower for me.

    rant over 







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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5256
    blobb said:
    Chalky said:
    Let's be clear.  Water companies LIKE hosepipe bans. It allows them to act like they are the victim to the regulator and critics.  "We are doing great, its the wasteful public who are the problem".
    Guff.

    Those that have the resources available are investing multiple millions of pounds on continuity of supply projects to divert water from plentiful areas into the ones that go short. Why? Because hosepipe bans are a massive public relations disaster and the regulatory model penalises poor customer service (have you ever tied to call BT?). Just remember, every time you moan about water companies you are moaning about real people with jobs who work around the clock under extreme pressure to make sure the water you get is safe and as available as it can be. by all means have a dig at the businessmen who have swamped the industry in recent times but their job is to make profit, 'cos profit makes the world go round.

    ..and they take all your shit away too - including all your cotton buds, condoms & sanitary towels (put them in the bin!) - for peanuts in real cash terms.
    I'm sensing a bias there ("...moaning about real people with real jobs working round the clock under extreme pressure...").  Some connection to the water industry maybe?  Or just a bit of hyperbole?  You make water workers sound more dedicated than firemen, paramedics, police, nurses, A&E staff and doctors all rolled into one.

    How about a simple question. As a percentage of average total water consumption, domestic and industrial, how much does a hosepipe ban typically save?
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