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  • strtdvstrtdv Frets: 1161
    Rocker said:
    Is there a machine or a tool/gadget to locate a leak in a water main pipe?
    I vaguely recall something from school about a radioisotope with a short half life and a Geiger counter
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  • rlwrlw Frets: 1536
    Getting back to the hosepipe ban topic, my view is that we live on a fairly rainy island, surrounded by water 24/7/365 which could be turned into drinking water using solar or wind power and there need never be a shortage. 
    The water companies will, however, not invest sufficiently to ensure that we never run out and would rather use the free stuff which falls out of the sky and keeps us supplied most of the time.
    The water companies, through lack of investment in infrastucture, lose more than the consumer consumes each year.
    Thus, if I want to hose the flowerbeds - a not insignificant investment  -  or powerwash the car to get the worst of the dirt off the car, I shall do so without feeling any guilt.
    I am sick of being told that water is a limited resource.  Do we not live on a planet where the surface is 60%+ covered in the stuff.

    Save a cow.  Eat a vegetarian.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 31097
    rlw said:
    Getting back to the hosepipe ban topic, my view is that we live on a fairly rainy island, surrounded by water 24/7/365 which could be turned into drinking water using solar or wind power and there need never be a shortage. 
    The water companies will, however, not invest sufficiently to ensure that we never run out and would rather use the free stuff which falls out of the sky and keeps us supplied most of the time.
    The water companies, through lack of investment in infrastucture, lose more than the consumer consumes each year.
    Thus, if I want to hose the flowerbeds - a not insignificant investment  -  or powerwash the car to get the worst of the dirt off the car, I shall do so without feeling any guilt.
    I am sick of being told that water is a limited resource.  Do we not live on a planet where the surface is 60%+ covered in the stuff.
    71% actually - and 97% of the total amount of water on Earth - but try drinking it and see how long you last...

    *Fresh* water is less than 1% of the total - a much more limited resource, and relatively easy to outstrip supply, even somewhere like England where it rains quite a lot.

    That said, the billions in profits that the private water companies have made while failing to deliver the service they're supposed to is a disgrace. Typical of privatisation.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • DesVegasDesVegas Frets: 3475
    What if the clouds stopped working
    trust me I'm a stomach
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 1680
    Fretwired said:
    ...
    Over the past week, seven square miles of land between Tameside and Oldham have been ablaze, blanketing the area in smoke and ash. About 160 firefighters have been battling the inferno, aided by 100 soldiers from the Royal Regiment of Scotland. The moors, and their wildlife, have been destroyed and thousands of people have had a week of breathing highly polluted air.

    The alleged culprits, however, have not been questioned. Greater Manchester police said the investigation was led by the fire service. Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service said no investigation would start until the fire was out.

    ...
    Wow - if true certainly worthy of investigation.

    I'm not a fan or the aristocracy and their daft sports, but its hardly better to burn wildlife alive than shoot it.
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  • blobbblobb Frets: 802
    Rocker said:
    Is there a machine or a tool/gadget to locate a leak in a water main pipe?
    Drop in water pressure is the big giveaway but they use 'listening sticks' to pinpoint the actual leak.  Then again, water spewing all over the road is another reasonable detection method. Doing something about it is another issue completely.

    Leakage has dropped 1/3rd since the peak, mid-90's I think, and they only have to achieve a 'sustainable economic level' according to Offwat, otherwise they get penalised. And they do get penalised.

    Lot's of leakage is supply side i.e. homeowner responsibility to fix. but most companies will do you a favour and fix the first leak for you.

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  • GarthyGarthy Frets: 1643
    edited July 1
    Entitled this, selfish prick that...

    You’re everything that’s wrong with this forum. 
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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 6033
    DesVegas said:
    What if the clouds stopped working
    back up to USB?

    I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.

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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 1680
    Something tells me this thread is going to head south quickly...

    Shame the water doesn't eh?
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 15748
    On BBC News - helicopter spots another two twats lighting fires .... unbelievable.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 15748
    ICBM said:
    rlw said:
    Getting back to the hosepipe ban topic, my view is that we live on a fairly rainy island, surrounded by water 24/7/365 which could be turned into drinking water using solar or wind power and there need never be a shortage. 
    The water companies will, however, not invest sufficiently to ensure that we never run out and would rather use the free stuff which falls out of the sky and keeps us supplied most of the time.
    The water companies, through lack of investment in infrastucture, lose more than the consumer consumes each year.
    Thus, if I want to hose the flowerbeds - a not insignificant investment  -  or powerwash the car to get the worst of the dirt off the car, I shall do so without feeling any guilt.
    I am sick of being told that water is a limited resource.  Do we not live on a planet where the surface is 60%+ covered in the stuff.
    71% actually - and 97% of the total amount of water on Earth - but try drinking it and see how long you last...

    *Fresh* water is less than 1% of the total - a much more limited resource, and relatively easy to outstrip supply, even somewhere like England where it rains quite a lot.

    That said, the billions in profits that the private water companies have made while failing to deliver the service they're supposed to is a disgrace. Typical of privatisation.
    Easy to turn seawater into drinking water but we don't need to.

    The UK needs more water storage facilities. Water collected in the Midlands and the north, which is wetter, could be pumped into canals and rivers and syphoned off and stored in the south. This solution was proposed after the 1976 heatwave before Thatcher privatised the industry. Wales has more water than it needs. Water could become the new oil if they could find a way of selling it to the English .. :-)
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  • MtBMtB Frets: 395
    With net migration of 240,000 last year and England needing 300,000 new homes a year, this situation isn't going to improve anytime soon.
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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8591
    DesVegas said:
    What if the clouds stopped working
    Maybe you should stop shouting at them?
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 535
    blobb said:
    Chalky said:
     Some connection to the water industry maybe? 
    Yes, I worked for Severn Trent and Thames water. I now work for a Tier one contract partner so I am heavily involved with the capital investment programme. I've seen this from the inside, for over 20 yrs. When their sewage works go tit's up it's me they call - how about you?

    Don't get me wrong, my daily grind involves bashing my head against the wall with stupid investment decisions. I berate the businessman ethic all the time and as @Fretwired points out, the unsustainable debt situation must come to a head at some point, but there has been major improvements from the local authority days since privatisation.

    My gripe is with idiotic contract designers who follow audit trail design procedures. The guys that run the works do a great job, if they didn't you would soon know about it.

    To answer your question:
    How about a simple question. As a percentage of average total water consumption, domestic and industrial, how much does a hosepipe ban typically save?
    Severn Trent estimates that 66% of unmetered households own an outside tap and use it for 0.89 times/day. On average they use 47l/household.day. This is normal consumption budgeted into their water resource plan, in hot dry weather this increases significantly. Hosepipe bans (more correctly, Temporary Use Bans or Non Essential Use Bans) are triggered when resources fall into 'Zone E' on the drought trigger zone of a particular reservoir (graded A-F, F being the worst)

    If you want more information, and I'm pleased that people are taking an interest in the subject, here's some more information.

    https://www.severntrent.com/content/dam/stw/ST_Corporate/About_us/Docs/AppendixB-What-is-the-likely-demand-for-water.pdf
     
    https://www.severntrent.com/about-us/future-plans/water-resource-management/final-wrmp-documents/

    Other water Co's are available.



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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 535
    Rocker said:
    Is there a machine or a tool/gadget to locate a leak in a water main pipe?
    There's a sniffer dog that they use. And when I say a sniffer dog, I mean just one. In the whole country.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/11/britains-first-water-sniffing-dog-hired-pinpoint-leaks-broken/

    So as you can see, there is genuine investment by these water companies and it's not like they are taking the money and laughing at us. Definitely not.
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • strtdvstrtdv Frets: 1161
    If I'm ever in a position to move to the country I'd be very tempted to go off grid with a well, solar panels/Tesla battery combo and either ground pump heating or a warmed/cooled air solution.
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2613
    Hattigol said:
    Rocker said:
    Is there a machine or a tool/gadget to locate a leak in a water main pipe?
    There's a sniffer dog that they use. And when I say a sniffer dog, I mean just one. In the whole country.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/11/britains-first-water-sniffing-dog-hired-pinpoint-leaks-broken/

    So as you can see, there is genuine investment by these water companies and it's not like they are taking the money and laughing at us. Definitely not.
    So the area around the Winalot factory is leak free???
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 535
    Rocker said:j
    Hattigol said:
    Rocker said:
    Is there a machine or a tool/gadget to locate a leak in a water main pipe?
    There's a sniffer dog that they use. And when I say a sniffer dog, I mean just one. In the whole country.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/11/britains-first-water-sniffing-dog-hired-pinpoint-leaks-broken/

    So as you can see, there is genuine investment by these water companies and it's not like they are taking the money and laughing at us. Definitely not.
    So the area around the Winalot factory is leak free???
    Yes, so a Chum of mine tells me and he is normally a reliable lead.
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • NiteflyNitefly Frets: 2029

    Another gem from 1976:  we had a Minister for Drought (Denis Howell if I remember aright).  His main contribution was the tasteful rhyme, concerning not flushing the loo, to save water:

    "If it's yellow, let it mellow!
    If it's brown, flush it down!"

    Can you see any of today's lot bettering that? 

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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2613
    Hose pipe ban in all areas of ROI starting tomorrow. Makes sense really as households, hospitals, farm animals and industry needs water. No point in wasting a precious resource in during a very hot spell...
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 1680
    Nitefly said:

    Another gem from 1976:  we had a Minister for Drought (Denis Howell if I remember aright).  His main contribution was the tasteful rhyme, concerning not flushing the loo, to save water:

    "If it's yellow, let it mellow!
    If it's brown, flush it down!"

    Can you see any of today's lot bettering that? 

    Don't flush down your massive shit,
    We need it to plan Brexit...
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2613
    It is becoming necessary to get more than one use from the water that comes forth from our taps. Waste water (grey water) from whb, sinks, showers, washing machines etc can be collected and used to water lawns and flower beds for example. In chez Rocker, we keep a couple of buckets and collect the water used to wash veg and dishes also water that was used for cooking. In our house this is close to two bucketfulls each day. Helps the environment in a very small way. The roses are thriving as are the bedding plants. Worth the effort IMHO
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8591
    @Rocker my mum noticed that water containing soap or detergent isn't that good for vegetation, but from your examples yes I'd re-use as much water as possible eg that used for washing veg can be used to water veg still growing! Water used to cook veg -> gravy!

    My mum also found the lav u-bend blocked with black sludge after a few years of using soapy water to flush it with.
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2613
    Thanks @Phil_aka_Pip grey water recovery systems are expensive but likely to be used more in future house builds. Our roses and bedding plants are thriving on grey water. Reuse of water simply has to be considered these very hot days if plants and flowers are not to be left to die in the ground. 
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  • BigMonkaBigMonka Frets: 1498
    Grey water recycling should (and will) be way more common in new builds over the next few years.
    The whole idea of us flushing our toilets with water that's good enough for drinking is just crazy!
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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8591
    BigMonka said:
    Grey water recycling should (and will) be way more common in new builds over the next few years.
    The whole idea of us flushing our toilets with water that's good enough for drinking is just crazy!
    Agreed, I'd like to see it happen, and the cost of conversion kits for older houses come down as well.
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  • Phil_aka_PipPhil_aka_Pip Frets: 8591
    "Working" software has only unobserved bugs. (Parroty Error: Pieces of Nine! Pieces of Nine!)
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  • fields5069fields5069 Frets: 1333
    Hmmm, I think to myself. Washing and cooking, drinking coffee etc., versus letting my garden wilt a bit.

    Anyway Welsh Water waste all that money printing letters and leaflets in Welsh, so surely that's a green flag to me to wantonly waste water. Surely? What is that Welsh stuff anyway? All consonants it is, evil bastards.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 15748
    Nitefly said:

    Another gem from 1976:  we had a Minister for Drought (Denis Howell if I remember aright).  His main contribution was the tasteful rhyme, concerning not flushing the loo, to save water:

    "If it's yellow, let it mellow!
    If it's brown, flush it down!"

    Can you see any of today's lot bettering that? 

    He was a hero. Was only in the job for 24 hours when the heavens opened and it started to rain.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13563
    Now I’m not one to jump in (lol) but that’s not exactly the deepest river in the country - the dried out stretches can be walked across in heavy flow and you’d struggle to get a paper boat to float on it usually..
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