Volume issues - it's peeing me off

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TravisthedogTravisthedog Frets: 1605
edited July 2 in Amps
I'm getting hacked off with being told to turn down in my band.

I have a 30w egnater rebel that can be switched down to 1w but I mostly run it at 20w. We aren't a quiet band by any stretch but I'm always being told turn down. It's usually running on 1 or 2 on the master volume. I rarely play any clean but I struggle with drive pedals as every time I step on one the volume goes through the roof, even when they are turned down (strymin sunset and spark boost, way huge fuzz)

I can't get a lower powered amp, well I suppose I could but need to find a way to balance it all up. Our other guitarist seems to just turn up plug in and play, where as all my levels are different all the bloody time, I'm sure the knobs keep getting moved about in the pedal case.

I also have to stand right on top the a.o a lot of the time which can't help being g able to hear it

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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 997
    Who’s telling you to turn down?
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  • TravisthedogTravisthedog Frets: 1605
    The band but usually our drummers wife who stands out from with the iPad doing the sound 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 997
    So your bass player and other guitarist who I’m guessing are both stood right in front of their own amps tell you to turn yours down?

    it could just be that they can hear yours clearly but can’t hear their own because they’re stood on top of them.




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  • smigeonsmigeon Frets: 73
    When you get it right (assuming it’s right sometimes!) use your camera to take a photo of where your knobs are.
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  • LebarqueLebarque Frets: 792
    edited July 2
    Tilt it so that it's pointing at your head, but nobody else's. Let the PA take care of the sound out the front.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 31142
    Raise the amp up and/or tilt it back so you can hear it properly, and point it somewhere other than out front - even fully sideways. Guitar speakers can be very directional.

    Are you using the pedals as actual overdrives or boosts to push the amp harder? If the latter, do the former - it’s much more controllable, even though it’s not the current fashion/received wisdom.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • timmysofttimmysoft Frets: 1640
    Tell them to turn up and stop being pussies 
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 7988
    +1 on the cleaner amp/dirtier pedal balance, it's a lot more predictable. 

    Do you have an effects loop? If so, bung a volume pedal in it so you can self mix.

    It may not be your fault at all, I depped with a band on Saturday with a bassist who was deafening on his favourite songs and inaudible on most others, making ME feel I was too loud or too quiet a lot of the time.
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1724
    I'm getting hacked off with being told to turn down in my band.

    ... I'm always being told turn down. 

    How does it sound to you? ie. are you aware of your volume being inconsistent each time you set up to play?
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  • TravisthedogTravisthedog Frets: 1605
    robinbowes said: no
    I'm getting hacked off with being told to turn down in my band.

    ... I'm always being told turn down. 

    How does it sound to you? ie. are you aware of your volume being inconsistent each time you set up to play?
    Yes very inconsistent
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  • John_PJohn_P Frets: 1550
    Might be worth looking at a multi-effect where you can save you settings.  Occasionally you’ll need to tweak for the room but amp we will usually be fine.  

    I love pedals and I’m slowly building up a board of separates but for gigging I much prefer having something ready to go as well as the reduced tap dancing.    
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1724
    robinbowes said: no
    I'm getting hacked off with being told to turn down in my band.

    ... I'm always being told turn down. 

    How does it sound to you? ie. are you aware of your volume being inconsistent each time you set up to play?
    Yes very inconsistent
    OK, so that's the issue you need to address.

    There is a saying we use in IT:
    First reduce the standard deviation, then increase the mean
    Or, more colloquially:
    Make it the same, then make it better.
    You should figure out how have your rig sound the same every time you set it up, then you should be able to adjust it louder or quieter as required.

    The suggestions others have made about positioning your cab will also apply.

    R.
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  • 57Deluxe57Deluxe Frets: 5502
    is "being told to turn down" constantly maybe not  symptomatic of other underlying politics in the band...??
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  • TravisthedogTravisthedog Frets: 1605
    Oh mate @57Deluxe ; you've hit the nail squarely on the head there 
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  • CirrusCirrus Frets: 3439
    In your opening post I thought your language was interesting. Kinda sounded like you're not taking responsibility for your volume - like it's just something that happens and it's not your fault.

    Your pedals are too loud even when you turn them down? How does that work? Pretty much every drive pedal I know can be turned down to totally silent.  :)

    It's your rig. Learn how to operate it, take control.
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  • thomasw88thomasw88 Frets: 719
    edited July 4
    raise the amp up john.  Makes a huge difference.  I use a wickes stand thing that works perfectly.  

    The other problem is that I seem to remember you are a giant so you probably can't hear what is happening below the ozone layer..
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13586
    Oh mate @57Deluxe ; you've hit the nail squarely on the head there 
    I think you possibly need to buy a new pedal.. the "WAG filter"
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  • Zodiac51Zodiac51 Frets: 303
    Other guitarist in our band has an egnator tweeker with cab, the cab is super directional, if you stand right in front of it, it blows you head off, slightly to the side and it's a world of difference. 

    Not withstanding that, try moving around to get an idea how you amp sounds from you band mates perspective. try it on 1w, what your hearing is way different from what's being projected out front where Yoko is.
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  • markblagdonmarkblagdon Frets: 584
    edited July 5
    Can you convert the cab to open back by taking the back panel off? That will allow to you reduce the directionality, and see if that improves the off axis to axis volume issue. Ive just done this with a Marshall 1x12 in a smallish room and it’s improved the sound a lot.
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  • Dan_HalenDan_Halen Frets: 53
    Open back cab preferably and then get it on a stand/box/chair/table and point it at the back of your head. If it's by your feet you will barely hear it but it'll be blasting the front row.

    Some pedals appear to have a lot more volume when a valve amp is turned down low as there will be more headroom available and less natural compression happening. The volume needs to be adjusted accordingly.

    Also, get a long lead and go stand by the moaners to hear what they're hearing and if they're just being twats about it.
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  • meltedbuzzboxmeltedbuzzbox Frets: 7110
    at rehearsal we used to put all our amps at the far end of the room (opposite side to the drummer) for similar reasons. 
    It used to work for us. 
    The Bigsby was the first successful design of what is now called a whammy bar or tremolo arm, although vibrato is the technically correct term for the musical effect it produces. In standard usage, tremolo is a rapid fluctuation of the volume of a note, while vibrato is a fluctuation in pitch. The origin of this nonstandard usage of the term by electric guitarists is attributed to Leo Fender, who also used the term “vibrato” to refer to what is really a tremolo effect.
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2614
    The point is that you might be too loud. The function of the band is to support the lead vocalist. If he/she sounds loud and clear, the band adjust their volumes to suit. Faffing about with pedals is one way to get on everyone's wick due to loudness issued. Ask yourself do you really need to use every pedal on your board. If you do, then put in the hours balancing volume levels. When happy, write the settings down in case something gets accidentally moved. Check the settings against the sheet before every gig.
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13586
    Rocker said:
    The point is that you might be too loud. The function of the band is to support the lead vocalist. If he/she sounds loud and clear, the band adjust their volumes to suit. Faffing about with pedals is one way to get on everyone's wick due to loudness issued. Ask yourself do you really need to use every pedal on your board. If you do, then put in the hours balancing volume levels. When happy, write the settings down in case something gets accidentally moved. Check the settings against the sheet before every gig.
    I both agree and disagree. The band is there to balance and enrich the sound in equal measure, not just to support the lead vocalist - to supplement, complement, broaden and much more.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 7988
    Rocker said:
    The point is that you might be too loud. The function of the band is to support the lead vocalist. If he/she sounds loud and clear, the band adjust their volumes to suit. Faffing about with pedals is one way to get on everyone's wick due to loudness issued. Ask yourself do you really need to use every pedal on your board. If you do, then put in the hours balancing volume levels. When happy, write the settings down in case something gets accidentally moved. Check the settings against the sheet before every gig.
    I both agree and disagree. The band is there to balance and enrich the sound in equal measure, not just to support the lead vocalist - to supplement, complement, broaden and much more.
    For God's sake man, you're on the slippery slope to prog rock there...
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13586
    p90fool said:
    Rocker said:
    The point is that you might be too loud. The function of the band is to support the lead vocalist. If he/she sounds loud and clear, the band adjust their volumes to suit. Faffing about with pedals is one way to get on everyone's wick due to loudness issued. Ask yourself do you really need to use every pedal on your board. If you do, then put in the hours balancing volume levels. When happy, write the settings down in case something gets accidentally moved. Check the settings against the sheet before every gig.
    I both agree and disagree. The band is there to balance and enrich the sound in equal measure, not just to support the lead vocalist - to supplement, complement, broaden and much more.
    For God's sake man, you're on the slippery slope to prog rock there...
    Yes.


    (See what I did there?)
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  • JayGeeJayGee Frets: 445
    p90fool said:
    Rocker said:
    The point is that you might be too loud. The function of the band is to support the lead vocalist. If he/she sounds loud and clear, the band adjust their volumes to suit. Faffing about with pedals is one way to get on everyone's wick due to loudness issued. Ask yourself do you really need to use every pedal on your board. If you do, then put in the hours balancing volume levels. When happy, write the settings down in case something gets accidentally moved. Check the settings against the sheet before every gig.
    I both agree and disagree. The band is there to balance and enrich the sound in equal measure, not just to support the lead vocalist - to supplement, complement, broaden and much more.
    For God's sake man, you're on the slippery slope to prog rock there...
    Yes.


    (See what I did there?)
    I think there’s the genesis of an idea in there...
    Don't ask me, I just play the damned thing...
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2614
    Sorry but I don't get the point you are making @Bridgehouse. If you leave aside wedding or corporate gigs, the singer is what punters hear and remember. Sometimes this fact is hard for us guitarists to accept but that is how it is (when you are out there playing gigs).
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13586
    Rocker said:
    Sorry but I don't get the point you are making @Bridgehouse. If you leave aside wedding or corporate gigs, the singer is what punters hear and remember. Sometimes this fact is hard for us guitarists to accept but that is how it is (when you are out there playing gigs).
    I’m not a guitarist ;)

    The word I don’t agree with is “support”

    No. At a wedding, the lead vocalist won’t get the tipsy guests bums wiggling. They won’t get the feet tapping. They won’t get the air guitarists widdling their fingers to their favourite solos. 

    A band is a unit that delivers a sound. The lead vocalist may well be putting the lyrics out there, but on their own they are a completely different proposition.
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  • robinbowesrobinbowes Frets: 1724
    Disagree.

    The singer is the most important element of most bands.

    R.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 13586
    Disagree.

    The singer is the most important element of most bands.

    R.
    Sorry but I’d say Page, Bonham and JPJ were more important than the Wolverhampton crooner. If anything his voice was the (overall) weakest element. 

    I’d draw out a lot more examples but it’s late and meh.
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