Football - a sport that accepts cheating?

axisus

I was thinking about that annoying git Neymar with his antics, and I was wondering, is Football a sport that openly accepts cheating? I can't (off the top of my head) think of any other sport that actually does nothing about cheats.

Personally I'd like to see retrospective bans to stamp out the play acting. 

ourmaninthenorth

Personally I'd leave it in, for it's comedic element alone. 

I do love to see balloons going down....

stimpsonslostson

Yes. Football seems to accept a certain level of cheating as “part of the game”... but then I was always told “the rules are what you can get away with” on the hockey/lacrosse/rugby pitch. We never tried to con the ref though. It’s the dissent that bothers me most. 

Other sports aren’t immune- missing weight in MMA is rife and the fights still seem to happen. The heavier fighter almost always wins. 

Cycling seemed to to have a culture of doping until very recently. 

guitarfishbay

If there’s something worth winning some people will try whatever they can. 

Rocker

One way of fixing the feigning injury cheating is to have an off pitch seat where the 'injured' player has to sit for 60 seconds while he is examined by a medic. A Health & Safety requirement of course but it would eliminate the antics of Neymar etc, as the game would go on without the 'injured' player.

BigLicks67

In the days of Pele and Bobby Charlton players were getting their legs broken on a weekly basis. Pele himself was kicked out of a World Cup. By the 1974 world cup p!ayers were over exaggerating injury to attract the attention of the referee, to sometimes systematic targeting of star players. Anyone who has ever spent 90 minutes being kicked up in the air by a large brute of a centre back will have some sympathy with this approach.

thecolourbox

Rocker said:

One way of fixing the feigning injury cheating is to have an off pitch seat where the 'injured' player has to sit for 60 seconds while he is examined by a medic. A Health & Safety requirement of course but it would eliminate the antics of Neymar etc, as the game would go on without the 'injured' player.

They do have to leave the pitch now if treated by physio, the problem is whether they can walk off (or whether they would be able to walk off if their fake injury were real) and also the fact that they NEVER go off to the nearest touchline if they fall over next to one, they always seem to go to the furthest

Clarky

use VAR to verify and then book them for bringing the game into disrepute

crunchman

They need a citing process like they have in rugby.  Faking injury would be one of the items that the citing officer should look at.

octatonic

axisus said:

I was thinking about that annoying git Neymar with his antics, and I was wondering, is Football a sport that openly accepts cheating? I can't (off the top of my head) think of any other sport that actually does nothing about cheats.

Personally I'd like to see retrospective bans to stamp out the play acting. 

Bodybuilding kinda does.
Many of the competitions ignore the use of steroids.

thecolourbox

Maybe with other sports you don't see the cheating. Are we meant to believe that sand paper cricket ball thing was a one off?

octatonic

thecolourbox said:

Maybe with other sports you don't see the cheating. Are we meant to believe that sand paper cricket ball thing was a one off?

The point is though that if you get caught then you get punished.
In football there isn't much in the way of a penalty for the carrying on that occurs.

guitarfishbay

I think one solution is to replay obvious diving/play acting on the big screens with the curb your enthusiasm theme tune playing over the PA.

Hattigol

Don't forget professional cycling. A sport based wholly upon having the best scientists to help you evade detection. 

strumjoughlamps

Clarky said:

use VAR to verify and then book them for bringing the game into disrepute

I was thinking that last night when watching the game. If VAR is going to be in the modern game then it should be used in the Neymar incident and he should be carded.

ewal

Hattigol said:

Don't forget professional cycling. A sport based wholly upon having the best scientists to help you evade detection. 

Don't forget football either - a sport that has done next to nothing to combat the scourge of performance enhancing drugs. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/world-cup-2018-russia-doping-football-olympics-state-sponsored-vitaly-mutko-euro-2008-a8425006.html

https://www.dw.com/en/doping-in-football-dont-act-so-surprised/a-18290893

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-01/russian-world-cup-squad-contains-at-least-one-drug-cheat/9823498

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/06/24/russia-england-refuse-reveal-many-drugs-tests-have-undergone/

ETA: I believe that one day this will catch football up and we will see that they are just as bad as all other professional athletes.

earwighoney

ewal said:

Hattigol said:

Don't forget professional cycling. A sport based wholly upon having the best scientists to help you evade detection. 

Don't forget football either - a sport that has done next to nothing to combat the scourge of performance enhancing drugs. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/world-cup-2018-russia-doping-football-olympics-state-sponsored-vitaly-mutko-euro-2008-a8425006.html

https://www.dw.com/en/doping-in-football-dont-act-so-surprised/a-18290893

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-01/russian-world-cup-squad-contains-at-least-one-drug-cheat/9823498

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/06/24/russia-england-refuse-reveal-many-drugs-tests-have-undergone/

ETA: I believe that one day this will catch football up and we will see that they are just as bad as all other professional athletes.

Pep Guardiola was suspended for doping and there have been allegations of his teams doping as well, and IMO there are some slightly suspicious moments for example when he became manager of Barcelona he very quickly appointed the doctor who was in charge of Lance Armstrong's team's doping. 

JAYJO

There is  Cheating and There is Cheating . Its not as if someone is injecting the ball with ready mix cement before  a penalty is taken.Unlike the cheating Cricketers sanding a ball. Cmon Englund do what ever it takes just bring it home we dont care if you use RSJs  a Digger or 50 tons of scaffolding just win....

kaypeejay

thecolourbox said:

Maybe with other sports you don't see the cheating. Are we meant to believe that sand paper cricket ball thing was a one off?

Well Michael Atherton was accused of it in 1994. Said he had dirt in his pocket to dry his hands!!

Guitar_Slinger

Football rules change to remove any advantage tried to be gained by cheating, such as officials on the touchline, goal-line technology and VAR to review stuff like offside goals, penalties or red card offences (such as the Neymar stamping incident).

Other sports also change their rules to remove advantages (cheating), such as F1 - https://jalopnik.com/the-ten-most-ingenious-f1-cheats-ever-1465111260

ewal

earwighoney said:

ewal said:

Hattigol said:

Don't forget professional cycling. A sport based wholly upon having the best scientists to help you evade detection. 

Don't forget football either - a sport that has done next to nothing to combat the scourge of performance enhancing drugs. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/world-cup-2018-russia-doping-football-olympics-state-sponsored-vitaly-mutko-euro-2008-a8425006.html

https://www.dw.com/en/doping-in-football-dont-act-so-surprised/a-18290893

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-01/russian-world-cup-squad-contains-at-least-one-drug-cheat/9823498

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2018/06/24/russia-england-refuse-reveal-many-drugs-tests-have-undergone/

ETA: I believe that one day this will catch football up and we will see that they are just as bad as all other professional athletes.

Pep Guardiola was suspended for doping and there have been allegations of his teams doping as well, and IMO there are some slightly suspicious moments for example when he became manager of Barcelona he very quickly appointed the doctor who was in charge of Lance Armstrong's team's doping. 

The whole Operation Puerto saga has been a complete fiasco. Fuentes has more or less admitted he worked with both tennis and football players (and teams). Yet still there have been no names released. Wada took custody of the blood bags in 2016, yet as far as I am aware we are still waiting.