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nick79nick79 Frets: 145
edited July 3 in Amps
I've been after one of these since they got announced earlier this year, and not wanting to miss out i've just made it happen. 
Black Country Customs (Laney) LA30BL. Basically a 30w version of the Supergroup from the late 60's, and pretty much the same amp Tony Iommi used in the early Black Sabbath days (which is mostly why i wanted it..) except it's 30w as opposed to 100w. Which i still think might be too loud but at least i stand more of a chance lol. 

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1770/41366082570_9c8e49698e_z.jpg

Not really had much chance to play with it yet but its loud, bold, punchy and takes pedals really really. 
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  • kreggskreggs Frets: 34
    Congratulations  that thing looks classy! :)
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7288
    Nice. I’m generally underwhelmed by NADs but I’ll make an exception for that! 
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  • nick79nick79 Frets: 145
    Cheers guys, i'm really impressed with it. Its very loud (can just get the gain knob on 1 for 'reasonable' home levels) I did very briefly turn it up and nearly kill the poor hamster who was watching proceedings. Huge bottom end, and so dynamic to play. I've never had an amp quite like this before so it's a very different experience.
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  • JayGeeJayGee Frets: 476
    Now that is properly classy!
    Don't ask me, I just play the damned thing...
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  • BabonesBabones Frets: 901
    I had my eye on these too. I'm guessing a cleanish British midrange base tone, which will take all kinds of dirt pedals well?
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  • Musicman20Musicman20 Frets: 587
    Nice!
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  • pintspillerpintspiller Frets: 566
    Do Laney's generally have more bottom than Marshalls?
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  • nick79nick79 Frets: 145
    edited July 4
    Babones said:
    I had my eye on these too. I'm guessing a cleanish British midrange base tone, which will take all kinds of dirt pedals well?
    Yeah pretty much except it just sounds huge throughout the bass/mids/treble.  Not had chance to turn it up properly yet but it doesnt have a lot of gain even wound up to 10 as far as i can tell from chatting to others that have one. I can get the gain to 1 just about (through a loud 4x12 cab) at home before it becomes a bit much. Even that low though it sounds really really good, and a quick try with some pedals was very encouraging - I can see a Helix HX in my future now...

    Lastly it's definitely got that huge low end thump that i was missing from my Mini Rec, Iommi ran his (admittedly 100w) with everything on 10 apart from bass on 0, i can kind of see why now!
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 33344
    edited July 4
    The Supergroup is essentially a Super Bass copy circuit-wise, but they do sound different from Marshalls - thicker low-end which can be a bit muddy, punchy mids, and a gritty rather than buzzy top-end. More of a 'lo-fi' sound in some ways, and exactly like you would expect from the early Sabbath records, although Iommi used a treble booster as well. They're also if anything slightly louder (ie really very loud), they ran at higher voltages than the equivalent Marshalls and can be hard on valves.

    At least, that's what the originals are like - I'm not sure if the 30W one will be, but I assume fairly similar. (And less hard on valves, since it won't need to run with voltages that high.) It looks a really nice amp, it's clearly well made - probably better than the originals, which are a bit rough!
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • nick79nick79 Frets: 145
    It does appear to be very well made, hand built, turret board, etc etc. At some point i'll take a look at the innards just out of curiosity. I've already got the Ti Boost pedal so hopefully i'm set. Will find out tonight just how loud it is, i've a strong feeling i'll be posting on here about attenuater advice haha.
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  • mburekengemburekenge Frets: 616
    It looks incredible 
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8859
    That looks like a solid bit of kit! 
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  • shaunmshaunm Frets: 940
    I love it, great buy.

    I honestly think Laney are hugely underrated amps. I don’t know why?
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  • nick79nick79 Frets: 145
    Cheers guys. Took it to practise tonight, its loud - very loud. Starts breaking up at about 4 on the gain control, which at that point is probably just past where i would be gigging it. Thats going through a 4x12 with very efficient speakers though, i think a 2x12 with less efficient speakers and it would be more manageable. At 5 it is properly starting to break up and after that it doesnt really get any louder, just breaks up more. 

    I did briefly turn it up to 10 and it was just a huge huge sound - Not a whole lot of  gain on its own but hit it with the TI boost and its pure early Sabbath. Its got an awesome kind of lower octave thing going, i've never heard anything like it. 

    So yeah i love it. But i need an attenuater (ideally one with a load box feature too so i can use it at home into the pc) and i'll look into the possibility of either changing speakers or change cab entirely. 

    Any suggestions gratefully received!
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2553
    Nice Amp and I'm loving the 70's stylisation of the EQ Knobs, it reminds me of some natty 70's stereo system. I didn't know about these but it looks to be a great gigging amp.
    Stupidity is what will kill us all in the end.
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  • HHwarnerHHwarner Frets: 72
    Wow, that is nice. Cant wait to hear it in action
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  • nick79nick79 Frets: 145
    Cheers mate you will, September i think? 
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  • DrJazzTapDrJazzTap Frets: 910
    Lovely looking amp
    I would love to change my username, but I fully understand the T&C's (it was an old band nickname). So please feel free to call me Dave.
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  • Creed_ClicksCreed_Clicks Frets: 66
    Very nice. I've been looking at a Laney 20w or 15w cub head, which are most likely miles away from this, but do Laney not get the love they deserve?
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  • LodiousLodious Frets: 829
    Looks amazing....me like!
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  • nick79nick79 Frets: 145
    edited July 11
    I've had a few days with it now and to me it really does sound fantastic. It's too loud for band practise (but then i thought it would be). About 3 on the gain is perfect gigging volume, and at that point it's crystal clean. Lovely sound, very dynamic and bold and responds so well to picking. 
    Starts breaking up at about 4 (with humbuckers) but again can be controlled so well with just winding back the guitar volume a touch. 
    At 5 it's properly starting to break up and after that doesn't really get any louder, just more break up. 
    At 10 it's starting to go into meltdown (in a good way) and that strange lower octave type effect comes into play. Boosted with the TI boost and it's instant Black Sabbath - not close to it, it really is that sound that i've been after for so long. 

    I've got an attenuater now just to knock off a bit off volume, i think i'll be running it at about 6 or 7 on the gain and hit it with the Ti boost, it seem's happiest about there. 
     
    So overall i'm really enjoying it and it's everything (and more) that i hoped it would be. 
    But there is a fly in the ointment.... 
    According to Laney it's construction is 'turret board that is hand soldered'. They have also made mention of it being constructed with turret board and pcb that is hand populated. 

    https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1788/42557910014_3d6506b2d6_z.jpg


    But it's not. It's all pcb, no turret boards in sight. 
    https://farm1.staticflickr.com/836/42371838035_04fd1e9bb1_z.jpg

    So either someone in Laney's marketing department has got the wrong end of the stick, or they are being dishonest. I would like to think the former.. To begin with i was pretty pissed off and was going to return the amp, but now i've had a few days to think about it (and some very helpful advice) i'm going to keep it. Its a lovely sounding thing, and to be honest i did wonder how Laney could make a handwired turret board amp for less than £900. I do think its out of order how they have marketed it though - If i had known it was all pcb from the start i would still have bought it. 


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  • victorludorumvictorludorum Frets: 217
    I would guess the 100w version is turret board, as that one is a limited edition version (I think), whereas the 30w isn't.
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  • nick79nick79 Frets: 145
    Yes, the 100 is hand wired turret board.
    I just think it's a bit off that people have been misinformed about this one.
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8859
    What are those heatsinks for? 
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  • victorludorumvictorludorum Frets: 217
    nick79 said:
    Yes, the 100 is hand wired turret board.
    I just think it's a bit off that people have been misinformed about this one.

    Can you not post something on that Facebook/Twitter thread to highlight the issue?
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  • kreggskreggs Frets: 34
    p90fool said:
    What are those heatsinks for? 
    Hmm thats intersting looks like a transistor  mounted to it. Wonder if that's  part of some gain stage?
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8859
    That's what I wondered, but the big heatsinks imply power transistors? 
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  • kreggskreggs Frets: 34
    No idea really. Tried looking for schematic no joy. Looks like they mounted the valves to the pcb too. I see thats common with some makers now. I like it better when the valves sockets are on the chassis rather than the pcb. hmmmmm. Still looks like an awesome amp though :)
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  • kreggskreggs Frets: 34
    Maybe the transistors are for phase inversion? push pull amp
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 33344
    kreggs said:
    p90fool said:
    What are those heatsinks for? 
    Hmm thats intersting looks like a transistor  mounted to it. Wonder if that's  part of some gain stage?
    Since it was me that nick79 asked for advice, he also sent me a couple more pics. The heatsinked components are marked U1 and U2 which would imply ICs rather than transistors, and since they have three leads I think they're probably voltage regulators for a DC filament supply - there are also too many rectifier diodes (bottom right in the pic) to be accounted for by the HT and bias rectifiers alone, so I think this is most likely.

    If so there are no solid-state components in the audio path, since there are no others visible as far as I can see.

    I would actually hope someone from Laney could confirm this as it would answer some questions.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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