I've got an audition! And a Kemper....

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PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
Long story short, didn't think I would be playing live for a while, so I sold my HRD. Went for quite a while with no amp (not really playing guitar), but then decided to take the plunge and bought a Kemper - brilliant for home use, and is way beyond what I need. Good so far. Now it transpires that I have an audition for a soul band next week, and I'm going to need to take the Kemper. Because I have a tiny brain, i've completely ignored how to use the Kemper in a live environment.

It's going to be it's first "live" outing, and i've got no clue how to get it set up and sounding good. Is anyone able to offer me any advice? I promise i'll listen first time and won't need things repeating.

Thanks!
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 4099
    edited July 11
    Starting point mate...

    1.) Get the manuals

    2.) Watch the Kemper tutorial videos on YT

    And a few of us on here will help out

    https://www.kemper-amps.com/video
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    Cheers @Wazmeister

    I'm mainly wondering, as it's just a rehearsal room, if I should go directly through the PA as it's not about backline/monitoring.....
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  • WazmeisterWazmeister Frets: 4099
    Ah, cant help you there mate, as I always go through a cab 
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    Yeah I’ve got an unpowered one....
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  • Hmmmm, can only suggest to try it. It'll be weird only hearing yourself through the PA, but worth a try, at least! I prefer a bit of a backline, tbh, whether it be a cab or FRFR. Anything specific you're concerned about or need help with?
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    Thanks @Jonathanthomas83 ;

    I guess there will be monitors there as part of the PA set up - it’s going to be a quiet ish audition, so as long as I get the amp profile I like, go into PA, tinker as required, job done...?
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  • PC_Dave said:
    Thanks @Jonathanthomas83 ;

    I guess there will be monitors there as part of the PA set up - it’s going to be a quiet ish audition, so as long as I get the amp profile I like, go into PA, tinker as required, job done...?
    It will definitely work, whether or not it inspires you is something you'll quickly find out. There's a lot to be said for using a complete profile (amp and cab) rather than chopping and changing cabs, you should be fine, I reckon! Defo get a monitor nearby, if you can! :-) Good luck with it, and again, any questions let us know!
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    PC_Dave said:
    Thanks @Jonathanthomas83 ;

    I guess there will be monitors there as part of the PA set up - it’s going to be a quiet ish audition, so as long as I get the amp profile I like, go into PA, tinker as required, job done...?
    It will definitely work, whether or not it inspires you is something you'll quickly find out. There's a lot to be said for using a complete profile (amp and cab) rather than chopping and changing cabs, you should be fine, I reckon! Defo get a monitor nearby, if you can! :-) Good luck with it, and again, any questions let us know!
    It's all pretty straightforward stuff, so it's not so much about inspiring me so much, more just seeing if I get the gig. If i do then i'll invest in something more usable :)
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  • Jonathanthomas83Jonathanthomas83 Frets: 1073
    edited July 11
    PC_Dave said:
    PC_Dave said:
    Thanks @Jonathanthomas83 ;;

    I guess there will be monitors there as part of the PA set up - it’s going to be a quiet ish audition, so as long as I get the amp profile I like, go into PA, tinker as required, job done...?
    It will definitely work, whether or not it inspires you is something you'll quickly find out. There's a lot to be said for using a complete profile (amp and cab) rather than chopping and changing cabs, you should be fine, I reckon! Defo get a monitor nearby, if you can! :-) Good luck with it, and again, any questions let us know!
    It's all pretty straightforward stuff, so it's not so much about inspiring me so much, more just seeing if I get the gig. If i do then i'll invest in something more usable
    Good plan and good luck with it, mate! :-) Let us know how you get on!
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  • David5150David5150 Frets: 116

    I'd say choose a couple of profiles you really like and sprinkle FX to taste.

    Straight into the PA with mixing desk set flat (maybe a slight mid boost to cut through) I found the kemper output was really hot so set that appropriately.

    The most useful control using full profiles of amp and cab with a PA was a careful tweak of the High Cut filter - taking out some of the harsh high end (had my high cut around 10K Hz when I used kemper direct and do now with an AXE FX)

    Smile and play your arse off - good luck

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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 9110
    An untried, super-versatile digital modeller into an unknown PA to audition for a band you actually want to join? The answer's simple and obvious.

    Buy an HRD. 
    :)
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  • PVO_DavePVO_Dave Frets: 1463
    I used a DXR10 with my last band situation (from audition to rehearsals) - going through the desk will be fine - just make sure you've read up on the outputs on the Kemper so you can get the volumes set well.

    Good luck! :)
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    Hmmmm, the wisdom is strong with the Dave's of this parish.

    Thanks @David5150 and @PVO_Dave !! Input greatly appreciated!
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  • PVO_DavePVO_Dave Frets: 1463
    The other thing to consider is the volume differences between profiles, if you are planning on using multiple profiles or even switch mid song.

    I tried to do it at home with a zoom recorder reading the db output and tweaking appropriately - wasn't perfect but a good start!
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 2170
    Audition Priorities:
    1. Can you work with each other?
    2. Does your playing style fit?
    Equipment doesn’t feature on the list.

    Take the Kemper. Tell them you’ve done so because it’s easy to carry, if they are happy with it then the stage volume can be kept down, and if not then you can easily get a traditional combo.
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    PVO_Dave said:
    The other thing to consider is the volume differences between profiles, if you are planning on using multiple profiles or even switch mid song.

    I tried to do it at home with a zoom recorder reading the db output and tweaking appropriately - wasn't perfect but a good start!
    That's a good shout - to be fair it's only 6 tunes and they're all quite clean so i'll probably just use the same profile.
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    Roland said:
    Audition Priorities:
    1. Can you work with each other?
    2. Does your playing style fit?
    Equipment doesn’t feature on the list.

    Take the Kemper. Tell them you’ve done so because it’s easy to carry, if they are happy with it then the stage volume can be kept down, and if not then you can easily get a traditional combo.
    Agreed - I reckon as long as I can rock up and sound like a guitarist then i'm golden.

    There's a horn section in the full band, so a PA will be used at every gig - I reckon the Kemper and some decent monitoring will actually benefit me more than an amp in this case.
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  • sgosdensgosden Frets: 680

    keep it simple, use a single profile and don't spend the whole audition tinkering :)

    you're showing off your guitar ability and how your personality will fit with the band dynamic, not how well you can pick out nuances in your tone.

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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 9110
    Roland said:
    Audition Priorities:
    1. Can you work with each other?
    2. Does your playing style fit?
    Equipment doesn’t feature on the list.

    It does if you're sweating away, scrolling through menus in a panic, wondering why you're either deafening or inaudible or you're suddenly cutting the singer's head off with inexplicable treble. 

    The Kemper is doubtless perfect for the band long term, but translating a couple of perfectly ok home-tweaked patches to gig volume through an unknown PA can be very risky in a stress situation, when the player needs to be on top of their game in terms of watching and listening to everyone else in the room. 

    I mean good luck and everything, it might just work perfectly, but don't be at all surprised if it sounds and feels very alien to start with. 
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  • John_AJohn_A Frets: 1614
    Can you get there an hour before the band?  Even if you have to pay for the additional time it'll be worth it not to be faffing around in front of everyone.  
    Do me a favour and like this:

    https://www.facebook.com/MarkedCoversBand
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    sgosden said:

    keep it simple, use a single profile and don't spend the whole audition tinkering :)

    you're showing off your guitar ability and how your personality will fit with the band dynamic, not how well you can pick out nuances in your tone.

    Wis’d
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1037
    Is there any in-ear/headphone monitoring available from the mixing desk? What monitoring will the the vocalist be using?
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  • PC_DavePC_Dave Frets: 1508
    Freebird said:
    Is there any in-ear/headphone monitoring available from the mixing desk? What monitoring will the the vocalist be using?
    Blimey, I’ve no idea. I was just going to learn the songs and rock up and play them.... 
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  • dazzajldazzajl Frets: 353
    I’m learning a lot reading through this thread. 

    I am kinda stuck on one thought here though and that’s why doesn’t someone just give Dave an amp for a few days? A good old fashioned plug it in and make a noise device to take this headache away from the audition. 

    If if you pass this part of the world at all, or can be bothered to come over, there’s a few you can choose from here @PC_Dave ;
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  • VaiaiVaiai Frets: 417
    Get the Michael Britt Pack and you'll have sounds that were set up in a Live environment with PA use at the forefront of the reason for doing them - I got his Helix pack and used them as a base set of sounds - his Kemper ones are very well received.

    You coming thru the PA may be a bit odd for them too tbh! They may love it or hate it as it does take time to get used to - also need to make sure they have enough inputs for you to go in the PA as they it sounds like a big band

    In rehearsal you'll not need any monitoring - you'll hear yourself fine as will they, but for gigging you'll need something to hear yourself thru - either your own FRFR or the band monitors.

    Also find out if they use IEMs - some bigger and more pro function bands do. 

    For the audition for that sort of band you'll just be using nice tight clean sounds most of the time I imagine - bit of boost (either for leads or even just to get the vol up if it's not loud enough, and some FX.

    Good luck!


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  • andy1839andy1839 Frets: 580
    I'm using an unpowered toaster live with an 80's cover band. 

    XLR L & R out to the desk and the monitor out to my DXR12 for monitoring.
    At smaller venues I've got the DXR mounted on a speaker pole about head height with the 30 degree down angle, still with a small feed into the PA.

    I used to use a Line6 M13 stompbox modeller with my normal amps pre Kemper, I found I can use it to assign nine different Kemper rigs to each of the slots in scene mode amd can rename them on the M13 to mirror whats on the Kemper.

    I know @drwiddly uses his live as well as an AxeFX, so hopefully he can give you some advice.
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  • John_PJohn_P Frets: 1677
    p90fool said:
    Roland said:
    Audition Priorities:
    1. Can you work with each other?
    2. Does your playing style fit?
    Equipment doesn’t feature on the list.

    It does if you're sweating away, scrolling through menus in a panic, wondering why you're either deafening or inaudible or you're suddenly cutting the singer's head off with inexplicable treble. 

    The Kemper is doubtless perfect for the band long term, but translating a couple of perfectly ok home-tweaked patches to gig volume through an unknown PA can be very risky in a stress situation, when the player needs to be on top of their game in terms of watching and listening to everyone else in the room. 

    I mean good luck and everything, it might just work perfectly, but don't be at all surprised if it sounds and feels very alien to start with. 
    This

    equipement doesn’t matter - if it sounds good with little fuss.  
     Depends how relaxed the audition is - if it’s people you know already and just a first session together to check how it goes then you are probably ok to have a simple patch that works on the keeper into the PA explaining that you’ll buy some monitors.  
    - complete strangers and competing with other guitarists then I’d just borrow an amp for the night.  
     Rehearsal room might have something like a hrd anyway if you check.  
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  • I’d get the Michael Britt 63 Vox Ace30 for this, sounds great, very useable for clean and driven tones and sits in a band mix perfectly. Probably my favourite profile and I use it most weekends through some large PAs and it’s only £10! Kemper will be great through the PA, just check levels as everyone says and if you are gigging with these guys think about some in ears for monitoring. Good luck! 
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  • drwiddlydrwiddly Frets: 343
    edited July 12
    andy1839 said:

    I know @drwiddly uses his live as well as an AxeFX, so hopefully he can give you some advice.
    As @andy1839 says, I use an Axe FX and a Kemper for gigging (not at the same time though - that would be greedy!). Up until about a year ago, I always used a power amp and guitar cabs for stage monitoring with a feed from my preamp to the PA. Both bands I play with are pretty loud - 70's rock covers and 80's hard rock/metal covers - so I need a bit of grunt to be heard properly.

    Last year I bought a dxr10 and have tried it at gigs a few times but I feel it runs out of steam a bit and I struggle to hear myself. Occasionally, I bring a 35w Wharfedale valve combo and plug into the fx return. The amp has a Celestion Neo Creamback fitted which has made it a fair bit lighter. That cuts through on stage at less than halfway on the volume control and sounds pretty neutral for a valve power stage. If it was just for me, the dxr10 would be fine for monitoring but the rest of the band need to hear me too and it's not powerful enough for that. Better monitoring for the whole band would help but we're not there yet.

    As for your circumstances, I think you'll be fine through the PA at your audition so long as you select your profile(s) carefully but, if you get the gig, you'll need to think about your onstage sound/monitoring/in-ears.

    Good luck with the audition.
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