Baha Tele, it sounds rubbish..

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robgilmorobgilmo Frets: 1275
In every position except the bridge, it sounds dull and muddy and very very un-tele like. I will have a play with pickup height but if I wanted to go for standard Tele electronics would it be difficult? Would there be a way to utilise the 4 way switch if I went standard? Please tell me about tele wiring options, and if you have a Baha does it sound poor in every position except the bridge?
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  • I can’t comment on the Baja, but if you want a 4th position suggestion-I like the Eldred mod on my Esquire. It’s a cocked wah tone and is wicked with a bit of drive. 
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32270
    You can use a 4-way switch to give the standard Tele sounds plus both pickups in parallel and out-of-phase, if the neck pickup already has the cover separately grounded.

    But if all positions other than the bridge are muddy, that means you don't like the normal neck pickup sound or the in-phase parallel sound either, so it sounds like the capacitance of the cover might be the issue. The very first thing to try is removing the ground connection from the cover. Simply snip the wire, preferably at the cover end. (Make sure it's the cover ground and not the coil ground!)
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 861
    What's un-tele-like about a guitar only sounding good on the bridge pickup? :P 
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  • MoltisantiMoltisanti Frets: 936
    i had one and it sounded OK, then i put in a Mojo wiring harness and ditched all the S1 bollocks and it sounded so much better

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  • SidNewtonSidNewton Frets: 346
    S1 Switching system has a reputation for sucking tone. I have an American Deluxe Tele which originally had the S1 switch and N3 noiseless pickups. Replaced the lot with Bare Knuckle Flat Pole 50 pickups and a Callaham control plate assembly with a regular 4 way switch. Made a big improvement.
    You shouldn't need to change your pickups, aren't they custom shop models?
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15483
    Clearly it sounds rubbish coz it’s got a H and not a J in it... no?
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  • thermionicthermionic Frets: 4780
    Bahahaha!
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15483
    Bahahaha!
    Groan!
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  • BoopDeWoopBoopDeWoop Frets: 85
    Bajajajajaja.
    I had one, it was rubbish too. Sold it on very quickly.
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3775
    I thought it was pretty standard wiring when the S1 switch is not in the circuit.

    Baja Teles can vary.  I briefly had a really good one, but I've played others that weren't great.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 861
    SidNewton said:
    S1 Switching system has a reputation for sucking tone. I have an American Deluxe Tele which originally had the S1 switch and N3 noiseless pickups. Replaced the lot with Bare Knuckle Flat Pole 50 pickups and a Callaham control plate assembly with a regular 4 way switch. Made a big improvement.
    You shouldn't need to change your pickups, aren't they custom shop models?
    The s1 switch itself won't affect the tone, it's just a (very cool) 4-in-1 switch that can be used for anything any other switch can be used for.

    I think on the Baja it puts both pickups in series with each other which I have always found to sound bad. If I got a Baja I'd instantly change it to standard tele switching.

    Interesting to see the negative comments in this thread, I've only heard great things about the Baja. Kind of glad to hear negatives in a weird way cause I'm regularly fighting gas for one.
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    The baja is a cracking guitar... admittedly I have changed the pickups in mine as I found the neck to be too straty and the bridge was just shite...

    but, the switching system is fecking brilliant!... standard tele tones and a few more that are really useful.


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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3251
    IIRC, the neck position pickup in the Baja Telecaster is based on the Custom Shop Twisted Telecaster pickup. I doubt that its chromed cover is made from the best choice of metal. It might be worth trying the pickup with the original cover removed.

    My taste in Telecaster neck position pickups is for A3 rod magnets. Second choice, three A5 and three A2. This board's favourite UK pickup builders may or may not offer such products. 


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  • TheMarlinTheMarlin Frets: 1354
    Love mine. It’s sounds Epic. love blue colour too!
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  • customkitscustomkits Frets: 671
    poopot said:
    The baja is a cracking guitar... admittedly I have changed the pickups in mine as I found the neck to be too straty and the bridge was just shite...

    but, the switching system is fecking brilliant!... standard tele tones and a few more that are really useful.


    I really liked your one too, the switching worked great, I'd try it 
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  • robgilmorobgilmo Frets: 1275
    Ive faffed around with the pickup heights and its sounding better, I will have another play with them tomorrow night. I did notice to get it sounding right I had to turn the tone way down to half way, and the sizzling noise would almost disappear as well, you know that awfull sizzling noise that only goes away if you touch the strings? Im wondering if that has something to do with it? 
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    robgilmo said:
    Ive faffed around with the pickup heights and its sounding better, I will have another play with them tomorrow night. I did notice to get it sounding right I had to turn the tone way down to half way, and the sizzling noise would almost disappear as well, you know that awfull sizzling noise that only goes away if you touch the strings? Im wondering if that has something to do with it? 
    There will be a green wire running from the neck pickup to the back of one of the pots... try desoldering that or clipping it. 

    Its the “ground” wire for the neck pickup cover... you may possibly notice a slight increase in noise but it will also make the pickup sound a bit brighter and add a bit of clarity to it!...

    if you dont don’t like that you can put the green wire back!...
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  • robgilmorobgilmo Frets: 1275
    That's the thing, its already very noisy. It buzzes like hell unless I turn the tone right down, I will give it a go though,
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1226
    robgilmo said:
    That's the thing, its already very noisy. It buzzes like hell unless I turn the tone right down, I will give it a go though,
    The buzz goes away when you hold the strings tho’?
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 861
    poopot said:
    robgilmo said:
    That's the thing, its already very noisy. It buzzes like hell unless I turn the tone right down, I will give it a go though,
    The buzz goes away when you hold the strings tho’?
    What if he's playing the intro to "Nothing Else Matters"?
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  • chris78chris78 Frets: 149
    The buzzing is the s1 switch and even with a load of shielding, you won’t get rid. Dump the s1, replace it with quality wiring but I’d keep the 4 way as the extra position gives humbucker style tones.

    In my view, the broadcaster/twisted tele is Fenders best combination and my preference on cs Teles.
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  • Gerz6558Gerz6558 Frets: 85
    I have one and it sounds excellent. Easily up there with my more expensive single coil guitars.
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  • TheGuitarWeaselTheGuitarWeasel Frets: 3655
    edited July 13
    IIRC, the neck position pickup in the Baja Telecaster is based on the Custom Shop Twisted Telecaster pickup. I doubt that its chromed cover is made from the best choice of metal. It might be worth trying the pickup with the original cover removed.

    My taste in Telecaster neck position pickups is for A3 rod magnets. Second choice, three A5 and three A2. This board's favourite UK pickup builders may or may not offer such products. 


    I love A3 in neck and in the bridge (for early Broadcaster tones) and have gotten quite partial to alnico 5 for the bass strings and alnico 2 for the E,B and G. 
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  • 57Deluxe57Deluxe Frets: 5732
    edited July 13
    try a Bhaji Tele... it has hotter PUPS
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  • darthed1981darthed1981 Frets: 2043
    robgilmo said:
    In every position except the bridge, it sounds dull and muddy and very very un-tele like. I will have a play with pickup height but if I wanted to go for standard Tele electronics would it be difficult? Would there be a way to utilise the 4 way switch if I went standard? Please tell me about tele wiring options, and if you have a Baha does it sound poor in every position except the bridge?
    It is odd who gets a signature model these days....



    Warning: this post may contain overtly affectionate references to Mary Spender
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  • mbembe Frets: 580
    Try a Hazzmaster or a Les Paul Hunior. 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15483
    chris78 said:
    The buzzing is the s1 switch and even with a load of shielding, you won’t get rid. Dump the s1, replace it with quality wiring but I’d keep the 4 way as the extra position gives humbucker style tones.

    In my view, the broadcaster/twisted tele is Fenders best combination and my preference on cs Teles.
    I don't get why it's the S1 that's causing the buzzing? A regular push pull doesn't, and this is no different really. Also, shielding will only really help "60 cycle hum" (sic) and I don't see the S1 picking up any more than the tele's single coils...??
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 32270
    Bridgehouse said:

    I don't get why it's the S1 that's causing the buzzing? A regular push pull doesn't, and this is no different really. Also, shielding will only really help "60 cycle hum" (sic) and I don't see the S1 picking up any more than the tele's single coils...??
    Shielding doesn't help with "60-cycle" - or as we call it in this country, 50Hz :) - hum. It only helps with 100/120Hz (or higher frequency) *buzz*, which is a different type of interference. (Electrostatic rather than electromagnetic.)

    I have found guitars with the S1 switch noisy too, but I think it's because of the compete rat's nest of unshielded wire Fender tend to use with it. They do shield the cavities, but with conductive paint which I have also always found less effective than foil.

    Fender have never been particularly thorough with shielding - most old Fenders have none at all other than a token layer on the back of the pickguard, and they rely to a large extent on the player being grounded via the strings to beef it up.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • rossirossi Frets: 435
    Its a hugely popular Fender model so must be crap ..I liked my LPB one a lot and it sounded good .i only got rid of it because it was too  heavy .for an old man like me  and shrank me gonads and back thingys  terribly .The S1 brings in untele like sounds that to the unimaginative sound  like shit but crank up the drive and all becomes clear .
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15483
    ICBM said:
    Bridgehouse said:

    I don't get why it's the S1 that's causing the buzzing? A regular push pull doesn't, and this is no different really. Also, shielding will only really help "60 cycle hum" (sic) and I don't see the S1 picking up any more than the tele's single coils...??
    Shielding doesn't help with "60-cycle" - or as we call it in this country, 50Hz :) - hum. It only helps with 100/120Hz (or higher frequency) *buzz*, which is a different type of interference. (Electrostatic rather than electromagnetic.)

    I have found guitars with the S1 switch noisy too, but I think it's because of the compete rat's nest of unshielded wire Fender tend to use with it. They do shield the cavities, but with conductive paint which I have also always found less effective than foil.

    Fender have never been particularly thorough with shielding - most old Fenders have none at all other than a token layer on the back of the pickguard, and they rely to a large extent on the player being grounded via the strings to beef it up.
    Just to be clear tho - and yes I understand your comments on hum frequencies, hence my parentheses and (sic) comment - the switch itself isn't going to be any more noisy than any other push pull or dpdt or 3-way switch apart from when actually in the act of switching.. no?
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