IMHO the best guitar playing ever - Television - Little Johnny Jewel

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kt66kt66 Frets: 181
Words cannot describe how much this always floors me, it's just incredible,
any fans here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9BkYIlgMSA
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  • kt66kt66 Frets: 181
    PS probably best drumming too! 
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  • TheBigDipperTheBigDipper Frets: 1004
    If only TV had been a better singer...  I’m a fan.  
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  • kt66kt66 Frets: 181
    If only TV had been a better singer...  I’m a fan.  
    agreed not the best voice, but what musicians, more sublime proof here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhDI0HN9HH0
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  • wesker123wesker123 Frets: 85
    Yes superb, great choice. Always though the drummer was very good too.
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  • DannyPDannyP Frets: 778
    Yes I love Television. So good.

    TV wrote Kingdom Come on Bowie's Scary Monsters album. I imagine that's a good pension.
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 11144
    edited July 13
    Dipped in a few times. Really doesn't do anything for me at all. I love a lot of the energy from that era of music, but this is not something I'd rate personally. Still, each to his own.
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  • NervousJohnNervousJohn Frets: 166
    Yep, they are great. The Blow Up is one of the best live albums there is for sheer crackling energy. Okay they get a bit lost every so often, when they all sync back up again it’s amazing. 
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  • proggyproggy Frets: 2142

    I listened because the OP said "best guitar playing ever"

    Wish I hadn't bothered.

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  • bacchanalianbacchanalian Frets: 265
    As a big Neil Young fan, I very much appreciate where you are coming from. 
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  • StuartMac290StuartMac290 Frets: 647
    Brilliant band, Marquee Moon is rightly recognised as an all-time classic
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  • freakboy1610freakboy1610 Frets: 622
    edited July 13
    Great stuff. I love Television. Richard Lloyd has a new LP out in November and his book is a good read too.
    Link to my trading feedback
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  • rlwrlw Frets: 1696
    proggy said:

    I listened because the OP said "best guitar playing ever"

    Wish I hadn't bothered.

    I think he meant best guitar playing ever at that very moment in time in that very place.  Fucking awful isn't it?
    Save a cow.  Eat a vegetarian.
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  • proggyproggy Frets: 2142
    rlw said:
    proggy said:

    I listened because the OP said "best guitar playing ever"

    Wish I hadn't bothered.

    I think he meant best guitar playing ever at that very moment in time in that very place.  Fucking awful isn't it?

    Certainly is.
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  • KKJaleKKJale Frets: 665
    I love that time and place. I saw the Voidoids with Robert Quine in 1979 and it had a big effect on me... Velvets, Byrds and Coltrane, all mixed up. The Patti Smith Group's style left a guitar cable trailing in the rockist '70s, but those startlingly jagged and brilliantly interlocking guitars of Verlaine and Lloyd really did show a whole new way forwards. Fabulous. 
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  • thermionicthermionic Frets: 4925
    Wis'd for reminding me of the great late 70s/early 90s NME/Sounds derogatory term "rockist".
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  • KKJaleKKJale Frets: 665

    Ha! 

    I've been rethinking my "whole new way forwards" claim and remembered that I once came across a Grateful Dead concert bootleg from the mid-'70s that sounded eerily like Television in places… chiming, melodic, almost math-rock guitars, blueswank avoidance with lots of major scales in place of pentatonics… a strange confluence from two totally different sources.

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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7288
    KKJale said:

    Ha! 

    I've been rethinking my "whole new way forwards" claim and remembered that I once came across a Grateful Dead concert bootleg from the mid-'70s that sounded eerily like Television in places… chiming, melodic, almost math-rock guitars, blueswank avoidance with lots of major scales in place of pentatonics… a strange confluence from two totally different sources.

    I remember listening to a radio show about Hank Marvin and they played some early live stuff. The amps were much more overdriven than the records and classic blues licks in places. Hank saying at that point he'd never really heard any blues  just that if you have a loud guitar eventually you cross over into something else that's played on a loud guitar. 

    Television always seem to get labelled with punk so my expectations are always wrong. I struggle to imagine that they were liked by the punks at all.  I'll try to approach the clip in the OP with tabula rasa.
    Dum dum dum, dum dum de dum, dum dum dum, dum dummmm.
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  • joetelejoetele Frets: 138
    edited July 13
    kt66 said:
    Words cannot describe how much this always floors me, it's just incredible,
    any fans here?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9BkYIlgMSA
    KKJale said:

    Ha! 

    I've been rethinking my "whole new way forwards" claim and remembered that I once came across a Grateful Dead concert bootleg from the mid-'70s that sounded eerily like Television in places… chiming, melodic, almost math-rock guitars, blueswank avoidance with lots of major scales in place of pentatonics… a strange confluence from two totally different sources.

    Guys, I understand. It's like the kind of stuff you find as a 90s youngster when you finally 'get' the Pixies and Fugazi. Oh, and Sonic Youth, obviously. Unconventional, electric, fascinating music. 
    Pedals. 
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1407
    This is rubbish. No offence but it is.
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • I'm so glad we all have different views on what is the best ..
    It makes things interesting.
    I'd hate it if everyone agreed that Guthrie Govan was "the best"... 
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  • Grocer_JackGrocer_Jack Frets: 75
    Huge fan of all things Television/Tom Verlaine/Richard Lloyd here. Also Robert Quine/Lenny Kaye and all things CBGB- related.
    Much as I love The Blow-Up I don't think at his track is the best intro to Television for the uninitiated. Just try them on Marquee Moon! 
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  • lasermonkeylasermonkey Frets: 1075
    I'm one of those weirdos that prefers Adventure to Marquee Moon, but yeah, I'm a big Television fan. One of very few bands where I look forward to the solos!
    My wife asked me to stop singing Wonderwall.
    I said maybe.....
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  • wesker123wesker123 Frets: 85
    kt66 said:
    If only TV had been a better singer...  I’m a fan.  
    agreed not the best voice, but what musicians, more sublime proof here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhDI0HN9HH0
    You'll probably like this too.


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  • BlueingreenBlueingreen Frets: 766
    I liked Marquee Moon back in the day but last time I listened I very much thought it hadn’t passed the test of time. Guitar playing sounded laboured and pedestrian. YMMV etc, but emperor’s new clothes for me.
    “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” Bertrand Russell

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