Equal Pay - Wimbledon

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guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 4663
Men's semi final today and over 6 hours long !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That is one match - Some women barely make 6 hours for 6 matches - If you translate prize money to time on the the court then men earn less then women - And you name 3 women today who are in the top 10
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13992
    guitars4you said:

    If you translate prize money to time on the the court 
    Why would you do that? That'd ignore time spent training, skill level, and everything else.

    You might as well price guitars by scale length. 
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • guitars4youguitars4you Frets: 4663
    Sporky said:
    guitars4you said:

    If you translate prize money to time on the the court 
    Why would you do that? That'd ignore time spent training, skill level, and everything else.

    You might as well price guitars by scale length. 
    women's tennis has been struggling for years now - Very little longevity now amongst the top seeds - yet for years they have moaned about equal prize money - they only play 3 sets and many matches don't last 70 mins - IMO a mockery 


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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13992
    Do people really want to sit for six hours watching one match?

    There'd better be at-seat Pimms deliveries. And free catheterization at entry. 
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 11587
    Simple. Make men's matches three sets max. The injury and attrition rate in men's tennis is horrific. They play too much tennis.
    Clarity over quantity.  
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  • VimFuegoVimFuego Frets: 6273
    I hate it when tradesmen go over time, there needs to be an industry standard set for matches, and every minute they go over they get money deducted. 

    I'm not locked in here with you, you are locked in here with me.

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  • fobfob Frets: 427
    There's a few calling for the men to only do three sets but I hope that never happens. These are grand slams - the pinnacles of the circuit - and going that extra mile has produced some of the greatest moments in sport. In principle, the women should either play best of five or get 60-70% of the men's prize money. However, in reality, no one wants to watch five sets of women's tennis and the tournament directors know they wouldn't survive the firestorm if they introduced proportional pay (it's worth noting that the women often make more money by being 'rested' enough to enter the Doubles & Mixed Doubles - Serena Williams has 14 GS doubles titles which, I think, is 14 more than Federer, Nadal, Djokovik and Murray combined).
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13992
    fob said:
     no one wants to watch five sets of women's tennis 
    I'm amazed that anyone wants to watch other people playing games at all.
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 11587
    fob said:
    There's a few calling for the men to only do three sets but I hope that never happens. These are grand slams - the pinnacles of the circuit - and going that extra mile has produced some of the greatest moments in sport. In principle, the women should either play best of five or get 60-70% of the men's prize money. However, in reality, no one wants to watch five sets of women's tennis and the tournament directors know they wouldn't survive the firestorm if they introduced proportional pay (it's worth noting that the women often make more money by being 'rested' enough to enter the Doubles & Mixed Doubles - Serena Williams has 14 GS doubles titles which, I think, is 14 more than Federer, Nadal, Djokovik and Murray combined).

    The tennis schedules are ridiculous. if five set men's tennis is to be retained, then the tournament schedules have to be cut back in order to allow players to rest. This is unlikely to happen so three set matches are the way forward for me.

    Five set men's tournaments don't have the same zap when you have large numbers of top players out injured.  


    Clarity over quantity.  
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2336
    edited July 13
    True equality would be men and women competing for the same prize money in the same tournament. Whether it is tennis, football, rugby, or MotoGP. 

    That is unlikely, so I guess same prize money is OK, but it is to the advantage of women.
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  • HeartfeltdawnHeartfeltdawn Frets: 11587
    quarky said:
    True equality would be men and women competing for the same prize money in the same tournament. Whether it is tennis, football, rugby, or MotoGP. 

    That is unlikely, so I guess same prize money is OK, but it is to the advantage of women.
    Wouldn't true equality also involve the blind, the deaf, and the disabled? 
    Clarity over quantity.  
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13992
    True equality is, it seems, whatever enables a person to best prove their point. 
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • fobfob Frets: 427
    Sporky said:
    fob said:
     no one wants to watch five sets of women's tennis 
    I'm amazed that anyone wants to watch other people playing games at all.
    This is probably a joke/reference that I'm not getting but, if not, I'm surprised you're amazed. Watching the greatest (or just incredibly competent) exponents of anything is one of life's pleasures, be they tennis players, footballers, chess masters, guitarists, woodworkers etc. You get the point. I do draw the line at golf though.

    Five set men's tournaments don't have the same zap when you have large numbers of top players out injured. 
    I'd agree that tennis is one of the most physically punishing sports anyone could do but I don't really remember many GS tournaments being short of the top talent - even limiting it to the big four, you usually have at least three. In fact, I think the current debate is about how those outside those four can break in - the longevity of the top players is fairly incredible, especially considering the staggering talent lined up behind them.
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 7083
    Sporky said:
    Do people really want to sit for six hours watching one match?

    (..Wait until he hears about cricket)
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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 7083
    Tennis is one of the sports actually in the position to push for and achieve equal pay for men and women. 

    There is an established audience for the women's game also it can be held at the same event time period and location as the men's game.

    Many other sports won't ever have that setup, so it will take a longer time to build the audiences to support equal pay.  It'll be a long time until the players in the female football leagues in the UK earn anywhere near what men can earn.
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13992
    fob said:
    Sporky said:
    fob said:
     no one wants to watch five sets of women's tennis 
    I'm amazed that anyone wants to watch other people playing games at all.
    This is probably a joke/reference that I'm not getting
    Not at all. I'm not much for spectating. It's more fun, to me,  to do something than watch someone else do it, no matter how much better they are at it than me.

    Watching is boring and passive. Doing is awesome. 
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 4763
    So if, say, Nadal breezes through all his matches in straight sets should he get paid less than Isner and Anderson?
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  • ThePrettyDamnedThePrettyDamned Frets: 3831
    Sporky said:
    True equality is, it seems, whatever enables a person to best prove their point. 

    My girlfriend's step dad said something that really resonated with me. 

    "equality is always unfair". 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15849
    Sporky said:
    guitars4you said:

    If you translate prize money to time on the the court 
    Why would you do that? That'd ignore time spent training, skill level, and everything else.

    You might as well price guitars by scale length. 
    Surely it would be like pricing guitars by solo length during a concert?
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3864
    Sporky said:
    guitars4you said:

    If you translate prize money to time on the the court 
    Why would you do that? That'd ignore time spent training, skill level, and everything else.

    You might as well price guitars by scale length. 
    Surely it would be like pricing guitars by solo length during a concert?
    It's more like paying the performer for how long they play.  If they play an hour and half, you are more willing to pay more than if they only play an hour.

    There is also the quality to consider.  If you did put Serena Williams up against any of the top men, they would blow her away in straight sets.

    I don't know why I'm even replying to this thread.  Tennis is boring these days, and I haven't watched Wimbledon at all.  I'm just annoyed that tennis is on BBC1 and BBC2 at the same time, and they have taken Pointless off.
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  • fobfob Frets: 427
    Sporky said:
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    Not at all. I'm not much for spectating. It's more fun, to me,  to do something than watch someone else do it, no matter how much better they are at it than me.

    Watching is boring and passive. Doing is awesome. 
    I'm with you on 'doing is awesome' but not with watching is boring/passive. Do you not watch any sport? Do you play any? It's probably safe to assume you play guitar but do you not go to gigs (or listen to other's music)? Have any art on your walls that you haven't painted yourself? I'd encourage anyone to get hands-on with anything that interests them as much as they can but experiencing the talent of others is very often exciting and involving.
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2336
    quarky said:
    True equality would be men and women competing for the same prize money in the same tournament. Whether it is tennis, football, rugby, or MotoGP. 

    That is unlikely, so I guess same prize money is OK, but it is to the advantage of women.
    Wouldn't true equality also involve the blind, the deaf, and the disabled? 
    Sure, but good luck trying to compete if you can't see the ball.
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2336

    Many other sports won't ever have that setup, so it will take a longer time to build the audiences to support equal pay.  It'll be a long time until the players in the female football leagues in the UK earn anywhere near what men can earn.
    Why should they? 

    The vast majority of the money comes from TV, and the mens game is significantly more popular. I know there is an argument that says the womens game won't get as popular without more money, but if the group A's "product" brings in significantly more money than the group B's "product", shouldn't they benefit from that? 

    As I said, I have no issue with the same money for tennis, but to try and apply it to all sports is just silly nonsense.

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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 5988
    Tennis is one of the sports actually in the position to push for and achieve equal pay for men and women. 

    There is an established audience for the women's game also it can be held at the same event time period and location as the men's game.

    Many other sports won't ever have that setup, so it will take a longer time to build the audiences to support equal pay.  It'll be a long time until the players in the female football leagues in the UK earn anywhere near what men can earn.
    I really think the women's game would benefit from best of 5 at the slams. It allows for a much more intrigung story line and I think the better players would contest more consistently. The best of 3 allows for too much variance and brings greater pressure, which some players clearly struggle to deal with.

    When the former big 4 of the mens game were contesting, you got some really, really classic matches. How many classics have the women produced? The players are good but best of 3 robs them of the chance to create an epic. 

    So equal pay, and best of 5 for both players - oh and if you are going down that route, alternate the schedule so that the both sets of players get the tournament closing sunday final in alternate years.

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  • WezVWezV Frets: 9114
    Sporky said:
    fob said:
    Sporky said:
    fob said:
     no one wants to watch five sets of women's tennis 
    I'm amazed that anyone wants to watch other people playing games at all.
    This is probably a joke/reference that I'm not getting
    Not at all. I'm not much for spectating. It's more fun, to me,  to do something than watch someone else do it, no matter how much better they are at it than me.

    Watching is boring and passive. Doing is awesome. 
    Similar for me

    I can’t bring myself to watch most sports, and I think most of that comes from never being very good at them.

    its amazing I have been interested in guitars for so long ;)
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  • monquixotemonquixote Frets: 8157
    I think marathon prize money should be 420 times more than the 100 meters...

    ...Oh wait that would be ridiculous.

    Handsome_Chris said: Like white Nile Rodgers. 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 13992
    fob said:
    I'm with you on 'doing is awesome' but not with watching is boring/passive. 
    That's fine by me. I'm well aware that lots of people enjoy watching sport, I just can't see the attraction, particularly when so many of them seem to spend a lot of time complaining about what they've watched. 

    I'm sure you'll understand my lack of answer to the series of black-and-white personal questions. 
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • NickLNickL Frets: 59
    Maybe it's time to bring in final set tie breaks. Two big servers banging down endless aces that their opponent is too tired to return is tedious to watch, wears the players out and causes scheduling problems.

    The women playing best of five wouldn't fit in the schedule during the first week, but it could in the later rounds, when the men's and women's singles are on alternate days. How about best of three for men and women up to the last 16 and best of five after that, with last set tie breaks in the quarters and semis but not the final?
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  • pintspillerpintspiller Frets: 561
    I watch wimmins tennis for the same reason I watch wimmin ice scating - the legs!
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  • ChalkyChalky Frets: 5795
    edited July 14
    Equal pay in entertainment is never going to work.  Unless you are going to create a society where the Equal Pay Police tell the people who pay - the audience - what they should enjoy.  Women's sports are simply not as popular, in terms of the time and money that the audience that they attract, is willing to spend.

    PS A good test case will be Dr Who. If global sales decline, will the makers revert to a male lead to improve sales?  Or stick to the dogma that the global audience for the show must accept the female lead even if it leads to the shows decline and closure?
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 18813
    I don't care if they play 3 or 5 sets to earn the same as men.

    I do find the hijacking of this topic by "men's movement" idiots to be laughable though.
    I am the juice of four limes.
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