MIDI help again!

smudge_lad

So, I have a Morningstar MC6 MIDI controller and I’m using it to change patches on my DD500. However, I’m stuck with how to select the higher banks/patches, since there are only 127 MIDI channels and 297 patches on the DD500.

Currently I’m sending a PC message to the DD500 for patch changes but according to the DD500 manual, I need to send a CC message to change banks. But, it only shows two numbers - #0 and #32. I’m confused by this, what does it mean I need to program into the MC6?

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k100/keir_smith/9697B678-A447-4EFF-B168-C7CBA7F85F06.jpg

I’m presuming I need to select which bank I need with a CC message, and then specific patch within the bank with a PC message - is this right?

If so, I’ve tried what I thought would work and it doesn’t, so I’m guessing I’ve mucked up the programming somewhere.

Here’s what I’ve got:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k100/keir_smith/CFB94744-E3A4-4EEF-BA4D-CD53ECE0EB40.jpg

And I want patch 99C

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k100/keir_smith/8C48205E-3F53-45C1-B76E-8817708974B5.jpg

So how do I do this??

smudge_lad

@GavRichList  - any ideas?

Teetonetal

The dd500 manual is shocking.

I recall it's done via pc numbers in groups of 3.

Pc1 = patch 1a
Pc2 = patch 1b
Pc3 = patch 1c
Pc4 = patch 2a

Etc

smudge_lad

Teetonetal said:

The dd500 manual is shocking.

I recall it's done via pc numbers in groups of 3.

Pc1 = patch 1a
Pc2 = patch 1b
Pc3 = patch 1c
Pc4 = patch 2a

Etc

Aye, I’ve got that but there are only 127 PC Messages and 297 patches, so how do I select patch 297 without re-arranging the MIDI mapmin the DD500?

mrkb

Does CC0 message change bank up, and CC32 change bank down? Then send the PC message for the patch in that bank?

 

GavRichList

Afraid I’m not familiar with the boss unit 

hotpickups

The möbius was similar if I remember rightly? One had to double the PC number and subtract a number. There's a video on YouTube about it so would this apply somewhat to the Boss unit ?

Teetonetal

The DD 500 has 3 banks of Program Numbers, this means to access patches above PC 127, you need to send LSB and MSB data. MSB changes the bank and then PC data starts again

I *think* that LSB needs to be off and then MSB 0 = bank 1, MSB 1 = Bank 2 and MSB 2 = Bank 3

So to get bank 99c, you need to send MSB 2, PC 041 (which is shown as bank 3 - PC 041 in the midi map)

The Boss manual is so unbelievably shit.

smudge_lad

mrkb said:

Does CC0 message change bank up, and CC32 change bank down? Then send the PC message for the patch in that bank?

 

I’ll check this tonight, but then if CC0 is simply one “Bank up” how do I go up from bank 1C to bank 99C for instance? 

Would I need to put CC message as 0:99, and then PC message as 3?

smudge_lad

hotpickups said:

The möbius was similar if I remember rightly? One had to double the PC number and subtract a number. There's a video on YouTube about it so would this apply somewhat to the Boss unit ?

Will also have a look at this later tonight 

Teetonetal

Here it is in a video: 


Goto 2 mins 30

Of course I dont know if the morningstar sends MSB data

smudge_lad

So, tried all of this today and still no joy. The Morningstar doesn’t have MSB data

I must be doing something wrong as I can’t get the Boss to change patch at all with a CC messages 0 or 32.

normula1

If it's the same as the GR55 you have to send CC32 and then a value for the bank (IIRC is not a straight 1, 2 or 3 and I'll try and look it up later) followed by the program change for the relevant patch number

normula1

so:

on the GR55 it's send CC 000 then a value for the bank
(with user banks being (value) 0, 1, 2 and then 16, 17, or 18 for the factory banks,)

then send cc 032 with a value of 000

then send a program change for the preset in the bank selected.

so as an example to select preset 2 in factory bank 1

CtrlChange 000 017

CtrlChange 032 000

  ProgChange 002

my controller can send on multiple channels independently and I have each device listening on their own channels so I also have to prefix each command with a MIDI channel number so I actually send

Ch.07 | CtrlChange 000 017

Ch.07 | CtrlChange 032 000

Ch.07 | ProgChange 002

As others have said the DD500 manual is not exactly user friendly but it seems to indicate that the DD500 works in a similar manner albeit with the bank numbers being different.   

Teetonetal

Just write to morningstar and ask. They will tell you how.

smudge_lad

Teetonetal said:

Just write to morningstar and ask. They will tell you how.

i did, the responded with the instructions from the DD500
manual

smudge_lad

normula1 said:

so:

on the GR55 it's send CC 000 then a value for the bank
(with user banks being (value) 0, 1, 2 and then 16, 17, or 18 for the factory banks,)

then send cc 032 with a value of 000

then send a program change for the preset in the bank selected.

so as an example to select preset 2 in factory bank 1

CtrlChange 000 017

CtrlChange 032 000

  ProgChange 002

my controller can send on multiple channels independently and I have each device listening on their own channels so I also have to prefix each command with a MIDI channel number so I actually send

Ch.07 | CtrlChange 000 017

Ch.07 | CtrlChange 032 000

Ch.07 | ProgChange 002

As others have said the DD500 manual is not exactly user friendly but it seems to indicate that the DD500 works in a similar manner albeit with the bank numbers being different.   

The Morningstar only has space for two figures, as per my screenshots. So I can’t send 000, just two digits 

normula1

Does it use hexadecimal (0-9, a-f) rather than decimal?

Teetonetal

smudge_lad said:

Teetonetal said:

Just write to morningstar and ask. They will tell you how.

i did, the responded with the instructions from the DD500
manual

Then right back and say you can't make sense of the instructions. Can the give you a photo of a morning star setup to select patch 99c

normula1

try sending 

cc 00 with a value of 01 (or 02 or 00 for the different banks)
then cc 20 with a value of 00
then a PC for the patch (try 00 through to 09 first)

if that works then try sending patch numbers 0A, 0B etc.

normula1

So looking at the video below it seems that the MC6 is able to send values 0-127 so ignore my last post and try sending 

cc 00 with a value of 001 (or 002 or 000 for the different banks) (looks like you only need to enter 0, 1, or 2)
then cc 32 with a value of 000
then a PC for the patch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtEeyAKu1A8