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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2505
    I've had the Ampeg PF20T for about 6 months now. Got it as an upgrade to the Laney Cub 10 I'd been using up until then. Strange thing is - they sound very similar. Perhaps not that surprising as they both use 2 x 6V6 and 2 x 12AX7. In fact the Laney can dial in a bit of grit easier (at more room friendly levels). The Ampeg does have the ability to run without a cabinet attached which is a big plus and it fits neatly on the Portaflex cab with the flip top capability.




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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    JezWynd said:
    I've had the Ampeg PF20T for about 6 months now. Got it as an upgrade to the Laney Cub 10 I'd been using up until then. Strange thing is - they sound very similar. Perhaps not that surprising as they both use 2 x 6V6 and 2 x 12AX7. In fact the Laney can dial in a bit of grit easier (at more room friendly levels). The Ampeg does have the ability to run without a cabinet attached which is a big plus and it fits neatly on the Portaflex cab with the flip top capability.




    Is that the 15” pf cab? 

    I’m going to run mine into a Barefaced Compact 15 and apparently it’s a brilliant cab for getting that 60s Motown sound out of the PF20T. 

    I bouht it for the transformer DI out - if they have discontinued them then it’s a real shame. 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    And on that subject - strictly speaking the PF20T is a pretty unusual Preamp/Di so fits in nicely with this thread as an option!
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2505
    JezWynd said:
    I've had the Ampeg PF20T for about 6 months now. Got it as an upgrade to the Laney Cub 10 I'd been using up until then. Strange thing is - they sound very similar. Perhaps not that surprising as they both use 2 x 6V6 and 2 x 12AX7. In fact the Laney can dial in a bit of grit easier (at more room friendly levels). The Ampeg does have the ability to run without a cabinet attached which is a big plus and it fits neatly on the Portaflex cab with the flip top capability.




    Is that the 15” pf cab? 

    I’m going to run mine into a Barefaced Compact 15 and apparently it’s a brilliant cab for getting that 60s Motown sound out of the PF20T. 
    Yes, it’s a 15” rated at 450w, plus it has a horn. I haven’t been using the horn as I found it introduced a bit of noise.

    Did you look at the 50w head? I’ve read reports that it’s suitable for gigs and has a more refined mids circuit.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    JezWynd said:
    JezWynd said:
    I've had the Ampeg PF20T for about 6 months now. Got it as an upgrade to the Laney Cub 10 I'd been using up until then. Strange thing is - they sound very similar. Perhaps not that surprising as they both use 2 x 6V6 and 2 x 12AX7. In fact the Laney can dial in a bit of grit easier (at more room friendly levels). The Ampeg does have the ability to run without a cabinet attached which is a big plus and it fits neatly on the Portaflex cab with the flip top capability.




    Is that the 15” pf cab? 

    I’m going to run mine into a Barefaced Compact 15 and apparently it’s a brilliant cab for getting that 60s Motown sound out of the PF20T. 
    Yes, it’s a 15” rated at 450w, plus it has a horn. I haven’t been using the horn as I found it introduced a bit of noise.

    Did you look at the 50w head? I’ve read reports that it’s suitable for gigs and has a more refined mids circuit.
    I did look at the 50 - but I don’t have a need to gig it, it’s mainly for recording at home - and the general bass fora opinion is that the 20 is closer in sound to the b15 and the 50 is actually a bit more modern. 

    Plus - the discount I got was only on the 20, so the 50 would have been £400 more (!)
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2505
    JezWynd said:
    JezWynd said:
    I've had the Ampeg PF20T for about 6 months now. Got it as an upgrade to the Laney Cub 10 I'd been using up until then. Strange thing is - they sound very similar. Perhaps not that surprising as they both use 2 x 6V6 and 2 x 12AX7. In fact the Laney can dial in a bit of grit easier (at more room friendly levels). The Ampeg does have the ability to run without a cabinet attached which is a big plus and it fits neatly on the Portaflex cab with the flip top capability.




    Is that the 15” pf cab? 

    I’m going to run mine into a Barefaced Compact 15 and apparently it’s a brilliant cab for getting that 60s Motown sound out of the PF20T. 
    Yes, it’s a 15” rated at 450w, plus it has a horn. I haven’t been using the horn as I found it introduced a bit of noise.

    Did you look at the 50w head? I’ve read reports that it’s suitable for gigs and has a more refined mids circuit.
    I did look at the 50 - but I don’t have a need to gig it, it’s mainly for recording at home - and the general bass fora opinion is that the 20 is closer in sound to the b15 and the 50 is actually a bit more modern. 

    Plus - the discount I got was only on the 20, so the 50 would have been £400 more (!)
    Can't speak to the sound of the 50 but like you I chose the 20 for its similarity to the B15. Originally I was set on getting a B15 but in the end was nervous of getting an amp that would be 40+ years old, esp as they're so pricey. I've been very happy with the 20 and it still has the stock valves as I've never had a reason to change them.

    I used to think that solid state was perfectly adequate for bass but since I started using valve heads I'm totally sold on them. Using the DI function on the 20 head will let you get the full range of Gain driven sounds - should be awesome.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    @JezWynd - agree - valves are the way to go for recording and solid state for live in my view. 
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  • valevale Frets: 1039
    edited August 12
    @vale - I really wanted this to be an “all things to all boys &girls” - preamps suitable for stage, some for recording, some for bedroom enthusiasts - a sort of collective ramble through all things Preamp DI to give people ideas, inspiration and some reviews to decide what sort of pedals they do/don’t like.

    I have to say, knowing what you like sounds wise you would really like the Dave hall Amps Preamp I have with the valve in it - proper old school Voxy luscious thump 
    i have a few (maybe six) pre-amps in a box stomps that i will have to think about reviewing. i built my own ampeg avt, sunn and orange pre-s (either veros or pcbs), but i only ever got them to working stage never really dug in.
    that was one reason i stopped building (health and concentration another). because i ended up building for the challenge of building and never actually using them beyond checking they worked as intended.
    so i don't have a deep opinion of them, other than demos i heard of them prior to building must have impressed me, or i wouldn't have bothered building them at all.

    maybe the dave hall is related to the ampeg svt preamp?
    re the valve thing, some use it as a valve proper, for which you need a heater connection, but others use it as a glorified diode, to varying effect. some sound great, others fizzy. if you rate it then that's a good recommendation.

    valves are at the outer reaches of my understanding. but a valve wizard like @ICBM ;; may have a list of decent 'preamps in a box' that make good use of the single valve.

    will be interested to see what turns up in this thread. particularly the pocket money gems.
    hofner hussie & hayman harpie. what she said...
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  • valevale Frets: 1039
    JezWynd said:
    I've had the Ampeg PF20T for about 6 months now. Got it as an upgrade to the Laney Cub 10 I'd been using up until then. Strange thing is - they sound very similar. Perhaps not that surprising as they both use 2 x 6V6 and 2 x 12AX7. In fact the Laney can dial in a bit of grit easier (at more room friendly levels). The Ampeg does have the ability to run without a cabinet attached which is a big plus and it fits neatly on the Portaflex cab with the flip top capability.




    that's a very minimalist living room, if i may say so.

    if taylor wimpey built show homes for bass players...
    hofner hussie & hayman harpie. what she said...
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    edited August 13
    vale said:
    @vale - I really wanted this to be an “all things to all boys &girls” - preamps suitable for stage, some for recording, some for bedroom enthusiasts - a sort of collective ramble through all things Preamp DI to give people ideas, inspiration and some reviews to decide what sort of pedals they do/don’t like.

    I have to say, knowing what you like sounds wise you would really like the Dave hall Amps Preamp I have with the valve in it - proper old school Voxy luscious thump 
    i have a few (maybe six) pre-amps in a box stomps that i will have to think about reviewing. i built my own ampeg avt, sunn and orange pre-s (either veros or pcbs), but i only ever got them to working stage never really dug in.
    that was one reason i stopped building (health and concentration another). because i ended up building for the challenge of building and never actually using them beyond checking they worked as intended.
    so i don't have a deep opinion of them, other than demos i heard of them prior to building must have impressed me, or i wouldn't have bothered building them at all.

    maybe the dave hall is related to the ampeg svt preamp?
    re the valve thing, some use it as a valve proper, for which you need a heater connection, but others use it as a glorified diode, to varying effect. some sound great, others fizzy. if you rate it then that's a good recommendation.

    valves are at the outer reaches of my understanding. but a valve wizard like @ICBM ;;; may have a list of decent 'preamps in a box' that make good use of the single valve.

    will be interested to see what turns up in this thread. particularly the pocket money gems.
    Dunno what it is about the Dave Hall.. it’s just, well, warm and thick in tone.

    The closest I can get to words for it would be “authoritative” and “chunky” - and it cost me just dead on £100
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    BTW @vale the Sunn Preamp sounds fascinating.. most interested to hear about it!
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  • KebabkidKebabkid Frets: 1424
    I use the Zoom B3 and it's DI Out occasionally for rehearsals but it's my back up for my bass rig. Apart from bass models and speakers, there are also some decent preamps.

    The only thing I intend to add is an EBS Octabass or Pearl Octaver as the one in the unit is pants.

    Good, decent-sounding and cheap unit to have in your gig bag or at home
     www.cairoeast.co.uk - Madness Tribute band (Bass Player) and guitarist elsewhere
    Feedback - http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/57885/
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  • I've owned:

    Hartke VXL Bass Attack

    DHA Bass-DI-EQ or whatever its called

    Sansamp Bass Driver

    Catalinbread SFT (well, a clone thereof)

    A bog-standard behringer DI box

    Zoom B3

    The Zoom B3 was good but I literally only used the DI and amp sim on it, so I sold it to buy something smaller / more fun.

    The DHA sounded great for those valve tones. I ditched it because I got fed up of sound guys assuming it was a homebrew thing that was going to fry their PA. I think DHA is now doing them with "proper" graphics which is about time really.

    The Bass Attack was pretty decent, I liked the clean tones but didn't rate the dirt.

    The Sansamp was pretty decent but the lack of mids control really pissed me off.

    The SFT clone and DI box combination just sounds great. Its my current solution, I don't think I'll be changing any time soon. I also run the SFT into the front of amps, it just works.


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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 3016
    edited August 13
    Anyone here owned a REDDI? It's all they talk about on Gearslutz. I didnt have the budget for a bass and mic pre so got a great river which does both well. This is just for recording at home.

    La3a clone is great just after. 




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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 7118
    Not owned a REDDI but I'm aware there's now a plugin if that'd be any use to you.  https://www.thehouseofkush.com/plugins/reddi
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    My Behringer BDI21 turned up today - will give it a go this week and review!
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1868
    Following my question about the THR5 on the other thread bridgehouse can I get a single normal sized pedal which I could use to put in front of my THR when recording to get a bass sound and also use to play a bass into my princeton so I can record a bass part on my looper or have I misunderstood the capabilities?
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    munckee said:
    Following my question about the THR5 on the other thread bridgehouse can I get a single normal sized pedal which I could use to put in front of my THR when recording to get a bass sound and also use to play a bass into my princeton so I can record a bass part on my looper or have I misunderstood the capabilities?
    The Behringer BDI21 will do this - and give you DI out direct - it will let you control gain, drive, EQ and output and all for £27 - it’s just slightly bigger than a boss sized pedal (wider)
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 3016
    Not owned a REDDI but I'm aware there's now a plugin if that'd be any use to you.  https://www.thehouseofkush.com/plugins/reddi
    The whole benefit is what happens (tube/transformer) before the AD conversion. Plugins like these never really do the same thing in a satisfying way, unless someone here has direct experience of this particular one. 
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  • John_PJohn_P Frets: 1666
    munckee said:
    Following my question about the THR5 on the other thread bridgehouse can I get a single normal sized pedal which I could use to put in front of my THR when recording to get a bass sound and also use to play a bass into my princeton so I can record a bass part on my looper or have I misunderstood the capabilities?
    The Behringer BDI21 will do this - and give you DI out direct - it will let you control gain, drive, EQ and output and all for £27 - it’s just slightly bigger than a boss sized pedal (wider)
    The thr5 doesn’t have a flat input so you’d be adding the pedal to the clean mode, which might be an improvement but you’ll always be limited by the guitar style preamp - have you tried plugging a bass in and using the clean channel?
     A shame you didn’t have the thr10, I use the bass channel on mine regularly and it’s great for quiet  practising at home.  
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    John_P said:
    munckee said:
    Following my question about the THR5 on the other thread bridgehouse can I get a single normal sized pedal which I could use to put in front of my THR when recording to get a bass sound and also use to play a bass into my princeton so I can record a bass part on my looper or have I misunderstood the capabilities?
    The Behringer BDI21 will do this - and give you DI out direct - it will let you control gain, drive, EQ and output and all for £27 - it’s just slightly bigger than a boss sized pedal (wider)
    The thr5 doesn’t have a flat input so you’d be adding the pedal to the clean mode, which might be an improvement but you’ll always be limited by the guitar style preamp - have you tried plugging a bass in and using the clean channel?
     A shame you didn’t have the thr10, I use the bass channel on mine regularly and it’s great for quiet  practising at home.  
    The BDI21 has a line output which will cope - tho you are right you’ll be restricted by the clean amp models
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    PF20T arrived and it’s fooked. It’s going back. Dunno if I want a replacement yet. :(
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3878
    Just got a QSC K10.2 - mainly for guitar use, but will use it for the bass as well.  Amp Pig Kemper profiles in front of it work well.

    In case I don't want to lug the Kemper out with it, I'm tempted by the Behringer.  Have you had a chance to try that yet @Bridgehouse?
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    crunchman said:
    Just got a QSC K10.2 - mainly for guitar use, but will use it for the bass as well.  Amp Pig Kemper profiles in front of it work well.

    In case I don't want to lug the Kemper out with it, I'm tempted by the Behringer.  Have you had a chance to try that yet @Bridgehouse?
    With the k10.2 you mean? Not yet..
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    I just realised you meant generally :)

    Yes - it’s really quite good. I can try it into my k10.2 as well if you like?
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3878
    I just realised you meant generally :)

    Yes - it’s really quite good. I can try it into my k10.2 as well if you like?


    It does seem to get reasonable reviews on the sound.  I don't play bass out a lot, and when I do it's normally at church, where there is a bass amp that belongs to the church.  I've got a big old 1 x 15" bass amp that is just taking up a lot of space, but I don't want to be entirely reliant on the Kemper.  The Behringer seems a very cost effective option.

    I can use the Kemper for recording, so £27 on something that might get used once or twice a year seems a good option.  I was just after opinions on the sound.

    If anyone wants a big old school amp:

    http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/133211/warwick-ccl-bass-amp-250w-1-x-15#latest

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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    crunchman said:
    I just realised you meant generally :)

    Yes - it’s really quite good. I can try it into my k10.2 as well if you like?


    It does seem to get reasonable reviews on the sound.  I don't play bass out a lot, and when I do it's normally at church, where there is a bass amp that belongs to the church.  I've got a big old 1 x 15" bass amp that is just taking up a lot of space, but I don't want to be entirely reliant on the Kemper.  The Behringer seems a very cost effective option.

    I can use the Kemper for recording, so £27 on something that might get used once or twice a year seems a good option.  I was just after opinions on the sound.

    If anyone wants a big old school amp:

    http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/133211/warwick-ccl-bass-amp-250w-1-x-15#latest

    What sort of sound are you after on bass? The behringer adds a little bit of colour but mostly it’s just a good EQ and boost with some balance
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3878

    What sort of sound are you after on bass? The behringer adds a little bit of colour but mostly it’s just a good EQ and boost with some balance
    Just a nice solid low end old school P bass type thing ideally.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15894
    crunchman said:

    What sort of sound are you after on bass? The behringer adds a little bit of colour but mostly it’s just a good EQ and boost with some balance
    Just a nice solid low end old school P bass type thing ideally.
    The BDI21 does that well. And it’s EQ will let you dial in a decent range of sounds as well. For the money I would give it a go - if nothing else it’s a brilliant back up if your amp fails so you can DI to the PA
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 3878
    crunchman said:

    What sort of sound are you after on bass? The behringer adds a little bit of colour but mostly it’s just a good EQ and boost with some balance
    Just a nice solid low end old school P bass type thing ideally.
    The BDI21 does that well. And it’s EQ will let you dial in a decent range of sounds as well. For the money I would give it a go - if nothing else it’s a brilliant back up if your amp fails so you can DI to the PA


    Thanks.

    I do like the look of some the more expensive ones you listed above, but for the amount of use it would get, I'm not sure it would be worth it.  I can get a decent recorded sound using an Ampeg profile on the Kemper.

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