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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 11419
    Well I'm a Man U fan and I laughed at the joke!

    I've been a fan since 1984 and I can't remember a season that felt more dire than this one. Jose is never going to turn this around, and the players he has bought have been mostly terrible (Lukaku & Sanchez especially). He has also taken a promising young player in Rashford and made him worse. Seriously, what do you have to do to get the sack!?! They just aren't a team. 


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  • I saw one of the youtube blog things over the weekend, and some veteran wag commented that Lukaku is the only player he's ever seen that puts weight on whilst he's playing...

    I'll support My team into the Third Division if I have to, but this shit is beginning to get even me down. 

    Lukaku waddles around the pitch like an overweight toddler with a nappy full of feces with a mindset of the very toddler who cannot decide whether he is hungry, wants to go to bed or needs his nappy changed. 

    However watching Lukuku play football I have no doubts that such a toddler would make a more effective no.9 in the Man United team. 

    Nonetheless this particular season still Lukaku is a better player than Matic... 
    I'm a better player than Matic...at least I know which way's forward. 

    He'd play backwards if he was a goalie....we'd have a goal difference of -835.
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  • kinkin Frets: 574
    My issues with the manager stem from his complaints that the team are not pressing the opposition enough, in his mind it seems to be an attitude problem.

    To my mind the current squad does not have the players required to play this way, Our midfield are nowhere near mobile enough to play a high press. Having two ex wingers in their thirties at full back, who can't cross a ball dosent help either.

    Sadly, we also don't have enough players with the first touch and passing ability needed to keep possession against a hard working team who press high.

    Not enough thought has gone into building the squad  ( this problem predates Mourinho's reign ), money has been splashed around with seemingly little thought as to how well the players would suit each others playing style.






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  • monkey42monkey42 Frets: 144
    kin said:
    My issues with the manager stem from his complaints that the team are not pressing the opposition enough, in his mind it seems to be an attitude problem.

    To my mind the current squad does not have the players required to play this way, Our midfield are nowhere near mobile enough to play a high press. Having two ex wingers in their thirties at full back, who can't cross a ball dosent help either.

    Sadly, we also don't have enough players with the first touch and passing ability needed to keep possession against a hard working team who press high.

    Not enough thought has gone into building the squad  ( this problem predates Mourinho's reign ), money has been splashed around with seemingly little thought as to how well the players would suit each others playing style.






    I agree with this in regards to personel...but the manager has bought enough to have made this happen...or it’s Man Utd so look to your youth team as well

    matic = static
    fred= always on the bench
    Dalot= on the bench
    perreire = on the bench

    when he first arrived in the U.K. I quite liked Mourinho but now he looks like a dinosaur 

    id like to see Pochettino have a crack given his style of football and youth...but it would now be a step down for him
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  • Philly_QPhilly_Q Frets: 4958
    joeyowen said:

    Think he has hit the gym too hard for a no.9....


    Do Nando's have a gym?
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  • RockerRocker Frets: 2831
    Lukaku scored lots when he played with Everton. Mainly because the team played the football that gave the big man the opportunity to use his height and weight. Man U players are not clever enough to do that simple thing. Each wants to be the hero. Hence Man U are floundering and with little hope of anything else. 

    Harsh, but true. 
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • joeyowenjoeyowen Frets: 3224
    Also worth remember our goal difference is -1.... City are +37

    There is only crying about that, not laughs
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 11419
    joeyowen said:
    Also worth remember our goal difference is -1.... City are +37

    There is only crying about that, not laughs
    That is a shocking stat! 

    Gets an ironic laugh from me. I don't cry about football.
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  • jellyrolljellyroll Frets: 2251
    Interesting that while United have floundered for 5 years post Fergie, Arsenal seem to have got the right man straight in and are charging forward. Don't know what conclusion to draw...but perhaps it says something about the states in which Fergie and Wenger left their respective squads? Or United management's inability to recruit? 
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 11419
    jellyroll said:
    Interesting that while United have floundered for 5 years post Fergie, Arsenal seem to have got the right man straight in and are charging forward. Don't know what conclusion to draw...but perhaps it says something about the states in which Fergie and Wenger left their respective squads? Or United management's inability to recruit? 
    I'd say that there are a few factors - Fergie fell on his sword unexpectedly, it was a big surprise. Man U as a club were quite frankly both stupid and naive, appearing to have zero contingency planning for when he left. They employed a manager who sacked all the successful staff and brought in his own people. I think that they would possibly have been better off bringing someone in alongside Fergie for a transfer of power and kept the backroom staff that they had. Also, Woodward is a poor Chief Exec who seems to undermine managers.

    Moyes wasn't really given that much of a chance, they ditched him too soon. Van Gaal was a great character, but the team was erratic, playing well at times them shockingly bad at others. Mourinho has been the worst of the lot. He has spent a lot of money and the team are literally going backwards. OK, he won a couple of trophies, but there is no doubt that the club is in decline under him. 
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2389
    Not sure about Mourinho being the worst of the lot. I agree, it is time for a change, but Mourinho *could* still turn things around in a way that Moyes and LVG never looked like doing. Having said that, I don't think he will do it, and expect him to go fairly soon, regardless of how many of his players are underperfoming.
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  • joeyowen said:
    Also worth remember our goal difference is -1.... City are +37

    There is only crying about that, not laughs
    Then I predict we're going to beat Arsenal 38 nil.

    That'll teach the bastids..


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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1651
    joeyowen said:
    Also worth remember our goal difference is -1.... City are +37

    There is only crying about that, not laughs
    Then I predict we're going to beat Arsenal 38 nil.

    That'll teach the bastids..


    I suspect you'll get rather good odds on that scoreline.

    Given the way he is acting, was it actually Jose himself who started this thread?
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • GassageGassage Frets: 20728
    Man Utd have spent more on defence than Vietnam did, and they managed to beat America.

    Donald Trump has spoken movingly about 7-Eleven. It reminded him, he said, of the way Americans came together in 1941 after Pearl Necklace.

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  • Gassage said:
    Man Utd have spent more on defence than Vietnam did, and they managed to beat America.
    It called the Ho Chi Mourinho Model. 
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2360
    quarky said:
    Having said that, I don't think he will do it, and expect him to go fairly soon, regardless of how many of his players are underperfoming.
    I get the impression there's a bit of a contractual war going on at present.  If he resigns the club don't have to pay him, sack him now and it will cost a fortune.  Mourinho is trying to blame the board for lack of support in the summer, but he can't just walk away or his reputation will take a big hit.  Furthermore, the club don't have a plan B, it's as if they are saying, 'we got the special one, so look at him for lack of success not us'.

    Something has to give, but the club may simply limp to the end of the season in the vague hope of a top 4 finish or champions league push - I can see neither so assume by that point they can let him go based on a clause in his contract for lack of results.  

    I always thought he should get 3 years, will be interesting to see what happens.  There's definitely something to be said for starting a new plan early, but in reality who is available now and what players are available in January that are not champions league tied?

    No easy answer to this one, except everybody pulling together at the club to get some results.

    Tomorrow night could expedite things, a big win for a rejuvenated Arsenal at Old Trafford could twist the clubs arm to act, a win for United will buy Mourinho some breathing space....



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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 11419
    I have to admit that I'd quite like Zidane in, although it could be a disaster. He was a fabulous player that I was a big fan of, so I have a bit of a soft spot for him. Not proved it yet as a manager to be honest but he does already have a unique position in terms of managerial achievement.
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2389
    axisus said:
    I have to admit that I'd quite like Zidane in, although it could be a disaster. He was a fabulous player that I was a big fan of, so I have a bit of a soft spot for him. Not proved it yet as a manager to be honest but he does already have a unique position in terms of managerial achievement.

    Did he not ride the coat-tails of a fantastic RM team, then leave as they got old/crap, and before he had to do a serious rebuild (which is arguably what United need)? Or is that too unfair? 

    I know it would be a bitter pill to swallow, but surely Benitez would jump at the chance at this point.
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  • ^

    We'd have to insist though that his touchline gesticulations/instructions come with subtitles. 


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  • joeyowenjoeyowen Frets: 3224
    Worth remembering this too:

    The Adidas clause!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38015518
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1651
    Brendan Rodgers' odds came down from 66/1 to 10/1 recently. Not without good reason:

    Attacking football? Check.
    Gets the best out of his players? Check.
    Top level Premier League/European experience? Check.
    Available? Check - his buyout clause would be negligible.
    Takes no shit off egotistical players? Check (see Balotelli)

    There'd be some United fans who'd hate his, ahem, background but a couple of well-chosen comments at his first press-conference about how great it is to be at a genuinely big club and that'd all be forgotten...
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 11419
    Hmmmnn ... not a fan of Brendan Rogers. I didn't like his white flag to Real Madrid in the CL before a ball was even kicked (Liverpool days). I don't think that winning with Celtic proves much at all, winning a one horse race isn't that impressive.

    Having said that I would take Brendan Roger's nan over Mourinho so bring it on.
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  • underdogunderdog Frets: 5723
    quarky said:
    axisus said:
    I have to admit that I'd quite like Zidane in, although it could be a disaster. He was a fabulous player that I was a big fan of, so I have a bit of a soft spot for him. Not proved it yet as a manager to be honest but he does already have a unique position in terms of managerial achievement.

    Did he not ride the coat-tails of a fantastic RM team, then leave as they got old/crap, and before he had to do a serious rebuild (which is arguably what United need)? Or is that too unfair? 

    I know it would be a bitter pill to swallow, but surely Benitez would jump at the chance at this point.

    I can not see Benitez ever being willing to manage Man U, and I'd be shocked if many Man U supporters would want him

    He is a Liverpool legend.
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  • menamestommenamestom Frets: 2360
    Hattigol said:
    Brendan Rodgers' odds came down from 66/1 to 10/1 recently. 

    Oddschecker has him out at 14th favourite around 20/1, can't see it happening myself.  
    Same with Benitez, he's way out in the odds.

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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1651
    I can't see it happening either but I think he is exactly what United need and he ticks a lot of boxes that the other candidates don't.
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • duotoneduotone Frets: 297
    On the radio they keep mentioning Pochettino (Tottenham) taking over from Mourinho.
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  • earwighoneyearwighoney Frets: 1671
    menamestom said: 

    I get the impression there's a bit of a contractual war going on at present.  If he resigns the club don't have to pay him, sack him now and it will cost a fortune.  Mourinho is trying to blame the board for lack of support in the summer, but he can't just walk away or his reputation will take a big hit.  Furthermore, the club don't have a plan B, it's as if they are saying, 'we got the special one, so look at him for lack of success not us'.

    Something has to give, but the club may simply limp to the end of the season in the vague hope of a top 4 finish or champions league push - I can see neither so assume by that point they can let him go based on a clause in his contract for lack of results.  

    I have a suspicion the club will keep him until it's not mathematically possible to qualify for next year's CL, and will only sack him then like they did with David Moyes.  In some ways I can see the sense behind that as I can't really see any manager replacing JM at this stage in the season and being able to sort out the lopsided squad and take a top 4 place at the expense of either Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs (assuming City & Liverpool will take the top 2 places)

    FWIW, I think JM should take a fair amount of blame for the mess which the team is in, he can't blame anyone for his largely diabolical teamsheets & questional tactical set ups even if he tries to but the club itself is in the state it is due to the Glazers, who treat the club like their own piggy bank with little care of how successful the team is on the pitch and it's this particular sentiment which is running down the team into JM and the players. 

    There's little chance Pochettino, Zidane or any other marquee name for manager will want to join the team in the current state it's in, and even 'less established' names will be reluctant to have their career derailed like what happened for David Moyes unless the club regains some ambition off the pitch. 

    Hiring a Director of Football to move things back on track would make a lot of sense but I can't see the Glazers going down this particular route as they have a lot of faith in Ed Woodward, he's their man who's made them all their money why should they spend a packet when as they see things are going as well as they should. 

    Realistically, I can't see the situation improving even if JM is sacked - the rot runs far too deep. 
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  • joeyowenjoeyowen Frets: 3224
    duotone said:
    On the radio they keep mentioning Pochettino (Tottenham) taking over from Mourinho.
    I think just an easy suggestion.  He's got a good thing going at Spurs, and utd seem rotten from top to bottom.

    Pogba and Lukaku dropped tonight.... it's such a mess
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2389
    edited December 5
    Holy shit. United look like they are willing to throw the home game against Arse, to try and get a win against Fulham in the next game. 

    Is that how bad things are??
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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 5099
    duotone said:
    On the radio they keep mentioning Pochettino (Tottenham) taking over from Mourinho.
    Hands off.

    I don't think Utd would want the player churn that Poch would require, he clears out anyone who doesn't do what he asks.
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