Replicate my pedal board in Reaper

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Totally new to Reaper so just getting to grips with it all. I'm a beginner with a 'real-world' pedal board of:

Marshall Guvnor
Tube screamer
Rat
Belle Epoque
Neunaber wet
Diamond compressor

All the potential plugins and effect-what-nots for Reaper are a bit overwhelming, so any recommendations for ones that near enough replicate my actual pedals? I figure if I just get a handful that sound like my pedals, then whatever I create in Reaper I should be able to play live.

I'm new to this, so if my question sounds like it came from an idiot, it kind of did.




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  • I'm sure other people will chime in with better advice, but if you always have these pedals before the amp, you may be better using a USB interface and plugging the guitar into the pedals, into the interface, into Reaper with an amp Sim in there?
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  • blobbblobb Frets: 1055
    Try the free version of Guitar rig. It works from within the kontact player which you add as a vst. Marshall type amp + some free effects inc. a TS type.


    *Other amp sims are available.
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  • ijonty said:
    Hi folks

    Totally new to Reaper so just getting to grips with it all. I'm a beginner with a 'real-world' pedal board of:

    Marshall Guvnor
    Tube screamer
    Rat
    Belle Epoque
    Neunaber wet
    Diamond compressor

    All the potential plugins and effect-what-nots for Reaper are a bit overwhelming, so any recommendations for ones that near enough replicate my actual pedals? I figure if I just get a handful that sound like my pedals, then whatever I create in Reaper I should be able to play live.

    I'm new to this, so if my question sounds like it came from an idiot, it kind of did.



    Right then! I'll give as much free options as possible along with some spendier options. 

    Marshall Guv'nor - go to SOftdrive. 

    https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2013/09/08/softdrive-gv-axp/

    Tube Screamer and Rat - go to TSE Audio for both of these. 

    https://www.tseaudio.com/software/tse808

    Also go to Mercuriall for their TS9. 

    https://mercuriall.com/cms/details_freestuff

    Belle Epoque - so many options!

    Echoboy Jr would do you good. $99 right now but has been on sale for $29 not so long ago and you can often find Jr and ther full Echoboy for excellent prices secondhand. 

    I would recommend Tritik's TK delay for more Deluxe Memory Man sounds. $49 new. I picked it up cheap when it was in pre-release and it's darn good. 

    https://www.tritik.com/products/tkdelay/

    Free? Spaceship Delay. 

    https://musicalentropy.github.io/Spaceship-Delay/

    Neunaber Wet - 

    Go through all of these...

    https://www.soundshockaudio.com/10-best-free-reverb-vst-plugins/

    And then download OrilRiver because it's great. 

    https://www.kvraudio.com/product/orilriver-by-denis-tihanov

    Compressor

    You can get loads of complex ones. Klanghelm for simples here...

    https://klanghelm.com/contents/products/DC1A/DC1A.php



    Regarding live playing: I've done it with a laptop and plugins alone. I would recommend a compressor out front going into your audio interface.Diamond worked perfectly for me on that front. 
    Clarity over quantity.  
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  • NB: Personally I would go with plugins only for a while and see how far you get into them and can push then. Then add some pedals in and see how drive pedals into amp sims go. 
    Clarity over quantity.  
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  • blobb said:
    Try the free version of Guitar rig. It works from within the kontact player which you add as a vst. Marshall type amp + some free effects inc. a TS type.


    *Other amp sims are available.
    So an amp sim (same as suggested by @thecolourbox), will allow me to play my guitar through my pedal board, into my focusrite interface, and hear the effects in Reaper? I'd just ignorantly assumed my pedals wouldn't work when plugged into the focusrite.


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  • ijontyijonty Frets: 28
    edited September 2018

    Right then! I'll give as much free options as possible along with some spendier options... 



    Thanks, that's great. One key piece of information I forgot to mention is that I'm running Reaper on Mac. Presumably some plugins are Windows only? UPDATE: Looks like the only one that isn't available for mac is the Guv'nor one. Any alternatives out there?


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  • blobbblobb Frets: 1055
    ijonty said:

    So an amp sim (same as suggested by @thecolourbox), will allow me to play my guitar through my pedal board, into my focusrite interface, and hear the effects in Reaper? I'd just ignorantly assumed my pedals wouldn't work when plugged into the focusrite.
    It will pick up whatever sound you throw at it. It'll probably need to go through a virtual amp of some sort, preferably with a cab sim to stop it sounding too thin.

    You can always set up an aux out if you want to route via your pedals.

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  • BranshenBranshen Frets: 1000
    Great set of pedals, I'd agree with the advice that you should plug it into your interface. 

    In alternative to Guitar Rig, Amplitube CS comes with a free fender and marshall amp (if memory serves) which works well as a guitar sim but u may have to fiddle around with it to get rid of latency..

    https://www.ikmultimedia.com/en/products/amplitubecs/
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  • Branshen said:
    Great set of pedals, I'd agree with the advice that you should plug it into your interface. 

    In alternative to Guitar Rig, Amplitube CS comes with a free fender and marshall amp (if memory serves) which works well as a guitar sim but u may have to fiddle around with it to get rid of latency..

    https://www.ikmultimedia.com/en/products/amplitubecs/
    I think I may need to find a step-by-step guide for how to do this, as I'm definitely a total beginner. Commenters have mentioned guitar sims, amp sims, virtual amps, and cab sims. Are some of these different names for the same thing?

    So what I should be doing is installing Guitar Rig/Amplitube CS in Reaper, then I can play my guitar through my 'actual' pedalboard, into my Focusrite, and I'll be able to record a true sound from my pedals...


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  • blobbblobb Frets: 1055
    Amp sim is a software model of er, an amplifier, usually with a graphic that looks like the amp in question and some arbitrary name that doesn't incur copyright claims. It will usually be paired with a cab sim - self explanatory. Guitar rig, for example bundles everything together in one plug in. So you choose an amp, a cab and then you can add effects, either: to your input signal (pedals); via individual effect sims; by using the in built fx in guitar rig or by routing the signal out of into your reaper channel as an auxiliary loop.

    You can get a better sounding cab sim by using an impulse response. So you could for example run real pedals into a reaper track then apply an amp sim as a plug in followed by an IR cab sim before it hits the master out fader.

    You could also run a clean signal in and apply fx/amp/cab in a single instance of guitar rig.

    You could run a clean signal in, add various instances of pedal plug in (see list above), then into guitar rig.

    If you run pedals straight in, they will sound like pedals straight in. No amp apart from the interface pre-amp, which is ultra clean.

    I've got an amp with 'recording out' socket. I only need to add an IR cab sim plugin. My amp sound comes through (inc any pedals) but sounds a bit weedy on it's own.

    Many possibilities.

    Just remember that running many plug ins taxes your computer resources and you won't hear the sound until a fraction of a second after you hit the strings. If you want to record, you will capture any up front pedals on the way in. And you can't change that afterwards but you can dick about with the cab types all you want to see which works best. With a clean signal you can add plug ins and remove them as you like. Some people like to work 'in the box'.

    Try it see what it sounds like.

     





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  • blobb said:
    Try the free version of Guitar rig. It works from within the kontact player which you add as a vst. Marshall type amp + some free effects inc. a TS type.


    *Other amp sims are available.
    Ok, so since my previous message, I've now installed Guitar Rig and Kontact, which Reaper discovered when I launched. What's the next step?


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  • blobb said:
    Amp sim is...
     





    Think our last messages crossed. I posted my last one before seeing your latest one, so it looks like I just totally ignored it! Will read yours in detail now...


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  • BranshenBranshen Frets: 1000
    ijonty said:
    blobb said:
    Try the free version of Guitar rig. It works from within the kontact player which you add as a vst. Marshall type amp + some free effects inc. a TS type.


    *Other amp sims are available.
    Ok, so since my previous message, I've now installed Guitar Rig and Kontact, which Reaper discovered when I launched. What's the next step?
    Plug your guitar into your focusrite and route the guitar signal into guitar rig. If reaper has detected the focusrite as the soundcard correctly, you just have to pick the correct input. 
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  • JAYJOJAYJO Frets: 1013
    Have a look at     Reaper  Mania on youtube. Kenny Gioias channel is amazing for reaper.
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  • ewalewal Frets: 1018
    I use my normal pedal board and a Joyo American Sound.
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  • For Neunaber, go Valhalla Vintage Verb. It's lovely. And I get my delays from Replika XT.
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  • ijontyijonty Frets: 28
    So I've realised that I was probably asking a stupid question before. For some reason, I thought I'd read somewhere that you couldn't put your pedals straight into an interface, but clearly that was wrong. Thanks to all who put me right!


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  • ijonty said:
    I've realised that I was probably asking a stupid question before.
    Not at all.

    Learning any DAW software package from scratch is a time-consuming process. Simultaneously attempting to get "in house" plug-ins to exactly replicate whatever it is that you consider essential about your favourite pedals is another time-consuming process. 

    If you do not have hours to waste, it may prove simpler to point a nice microphone or two at your normal amp and pedals.

    This approach has two major benefits: It minimises the processing power drain of multiple plug-ins. Reducing the number of options open to you saves the time that might otherwise be wasted, trying to decide between irrelevant possibilities.
    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • ijontyijonty Frets: 28
    My amp is in for repair at the moment, so I'm back to trying to get a good sound by putting my pedals into Reaper. I've tried a lot of the free amp sims mentioned above, but not having that much luck. Seem to get quite an artificial sound. Perhaps I'm just not doing it right. Using the free Guitar Rig, this is what I see:  




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  • andy_kandy_k Frets: 35
    I'm messing around with this sort of stuff myself at the moment.
    I got a Mooer Radar, which is a pedal form power amp / impulse response sim, I wasnt sure how it would work so i tried this---
    I use a splitter ( ABY) box, guitar into splitter, which feeds- A- 5150 overdrive into Mooer, into input one on a focusrite scarlett--into one track in Reaper---------------------B-DI into scarlett, into track 2 in Reaper.
    Therefore--I get DI track in Reaper, which has various plugins on it to emulate a guitar sound, basically, do a search for Ignite amps, and Lepou plugins, everything is available free, pedals such as tubescreamers, and various flavours of amps, from clean to super heavy, and Ignites Nadir, is an impulse loader that allows for stereo speaker sims, you'll need some free impulses-search for 7 deadly sins pack.
    So many options there, and as a bonus, I took the Mooer, and the 5150 to rehearsal, and tried to match my live amp--Marshall Code 50, with a preset that uses the Guvnor, with the pedals through the PA, came really close--for use as a backup / flyrig  setup for live use.
    All good fun, just needs time, which is something you cant buy.
    YMMV--good luck
    cheers
    andy k
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  • ijontyijonty Frets: 28
    andy_k said:
    I'm messing around with this sort of stuff myself at the moment.
    I got a Mooer Radar, which is a pedal form power amp / impulse response sim, I wasnt sure how it would work so i tried this---
    I use a splitter ( ABY) box, guitar into splitter, which feeds- A- 5150 overdrive into Mooer, into input one on a focusrite scarlett--into one track in Reaper---------------------B-DI into scarlett, into track 2 in Reaper.
    Therefore--I get DI track in Reaper, which has various plugins on it to emulate a guitar sound, basically, do a search for Ignite amps, and Lepou plugins, everything is available free, pedals such as tubescreamers, and various flavours of amps, from clean to super heavy, and Ignites Nadir, is an impulse loader that allows for stereo speaker sims, you'll need some free impulses-search for 7 deadly sins pack.
    So many options there, and as a bonus, I took the Mooer, and the 5150 to rehearsal, and tried to match my live amp--Marshall Code 50, with a preset that uses the Guvnor, with the pedals through the PA, came really close--for use as a backup / flyrig  setup for live use.
    All good fun, just needs time, which is something you cant buy.
    YMMV--good luck
    cheers
    andy k
    Thanks, that's really useful. Was looking at the Mooer myself. Will try those plugins too - I've not found too many great ones so far!


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