Waves virtual mix room

Has anyone used this:  https://www.waves.com/plugins/nx ?

I'm somewhat sceptical, but I mix on headphones a lot so perhaps it might be of use?

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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 22
    I've tried it, but CanOpener is my weapon of choice, and I also use Sonarworks too.

    https://goodhertz.co/canopener-studio

    https://sonarworks.com/reference
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    Interesting - never heard of the can opener software. So you use this when mixing and do you have it on all the time or just to reference?

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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 18875
    I use Sonarworks- it is excellent.

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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    So you'd use Sonarworks to adjust your headphones and CanOpener to add in the crossfeed? It makes sense to use both together?
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 22
    domforr said:
    Interesting - never heard of the can opener software. So you use this when mixing and do you have it on all the time or just to reference?

    I use Reaper, so I have placed them both in the FX Monitoring section, and they are mostly always on, but easy enough to flip off and on.

    When listening to music I use Foobar2000 with the Meier Crosstree add-on component.

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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 22
    domforr said:
    So you'd use Sonarworks to adjust your headphones and CanOpener to add in the crossfeed? It makes sense to use both together?
    Yep, but it's also important to listen to a lot of reference material through your DAW, so that you can "learn" the sound of your headphones, if that makes any sense?

    I usually have a second project window open with selected reference tracks, or you can stick one in the main project and solo/mute it.
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    Yes, makes sense. I suppose the best solution would be to demo them and see how they work. Slightly nervous about introducing a new tool into the process mid mix though, especially if I have to 'learn' the new sound.
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 22
    domforr said:
    Yes, makes sense. I suppose the best solution would be to demo them and see how they work. Slightly nervous about introducing a new tool into the process mid mix though, especially if I have to 'learn' the new sound.
    The intention is to make your headphones respond more like studio monitors, so that your mix can translate better.

    Like I said, I have a crossfeed plugin in my audio player for headphone use, I can't live without it 
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    Would the Boz digital Mongoose plugin do something similar to a crossfeed plugin?  As I understand it, it makes your low-end mono which gets rid of some of the left/right ear issues from hard panning.

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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 22
    domforr said:
    Would the Boz digital Mongoose plugin do something similar to a crossfeed plugin?  As I understand it, it makes your low-end mono which gets rid of some of the left/right ear issues from hard panning.

    That's a Mono Maker plugin, so not the same thing. It just narrows the low end frequencies by placing them in the center of the mix to tighten up the bass. Klanghelm has included this functionality in their very useful Deluxe VU meter. It is also a permanent effect, whereas the crossfeed type plugins are only used for monitoring purposes, to mimic the experience of listening to real speakers.
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    Okay, thanks. Good to know.
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  • poopotpoopot Frets: 1404
    Midnight walrus canz3d... it’s free... just remove it from your master track before you bounce!...
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    poopot said:
    Midnight walrus canz3d... it’s free... just remove it from your master track before you bounce!...
    Thanks, free is always good. Does it stand up to the competition?
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 22
    poopot said:
    Midnight walrus canz3d... it’s free... just remove it from your master track before you bounce!...
    If you use Reaper, they have a Monitoring FX section which prevents that from happening 
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    edited October 22
    So, I've now demoed the Sonarworks Reference, the CanOpener and the walrus canz3d. I can hear some slight difference with the two crosstalk plugins - whether its better or not I couldn't really say - it just sounds different. I'll give these two the benefit of the doubt, even though it's a subtle difference.

    The one that rather bemused me though was the Sonarworks. I loaded up the calibration for my Shure SRH1440 headphones expecting to hear some magic - but it sounded awful. Flat, muddy and just horrible. Maybe this is what it should sound like without any flattering eq bumps and I'm probably very used to my headphones 'natural' sound, but it really wasn't an appealing sound at all. Perhaps I'll get used to it and maybe the idea is that having it sound bad will improve your mixes? Not really sure.
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 23
    Sounds about right  The response needs to be flat so that it will translate better on other systems. That's why I recommend working with reference tracks to compare the kind of sound you are aiming for. Try mixing something flat and then play it back on another audio system.

    Regarding CanOpener, I usually use it on the default setting, I definately don't engage any EQ. Also don't forget to check your mix in mono as you go along.
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    Okay, sounds like my ears have been spoilt by the flattering earphones! I'll give it a go and see if it helps with translating to other systems (which to be honest has been an issue).  Good advice about leaving eq etc off CanOpener and just leaving it on default. 
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    Just a question about Sonarworks - would you leave this on all the time when mixing or just as a reference to check on now and again?
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    domforr said:
    Just a question about Sonarworks - would you leave this on all the time when mixing or just as a reference to check on now and again?
    You will get better results if you leave it on, as you won't be compensating for the hyped frequencies, so it's less guesswork. 
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    Thanks. Another option here: https://www.toneboosters.com/tb_morphit_v1.html
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  • Flat is not necessarily exciting. If it’s sounding hyped EQ wise on a flat system it’s probably going to be way too hyped on a playback system that boosts frequencies
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  • domforrdomforr Frets: 164
    I'm just not sure I understand why headphone makers wouldn't make them as flat as possible if they're intended for mixing (which supposedly my Shure SRH1440 are)
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 23
    domforr said:
    Thanks. Another option here: https://www.toneboosters.com/tb_morphit_v1.html
    I've come across a few. Just grab the one that you like. I went with Goodhertz cos they make interesting plugins.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 18875
    domforr said:
    Just a question about Sonarworks - would you leave this on all the time when mixing or just as a reference to check on now and again?
    You have it off for tracking (because it introduces latency) but otherwise leave it on 100% of the time during mixing.
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 23
    octatonic said:
    domforr said:
    Just a question about Sonarworks - would you leave this on all the time when mixing or just as a reference to check on now and again?
    You have it off for tracking (because it introduces latency) but otherwise leave it on 100% of the time during mixing.
    Talking of latency, am I the only one who nudges every track until they "pop"? I start with the bass, and lock it onto the drums, then I adjust everything else one by one. I find playing with the timing can creatively change the feel of the track.

    Sort of a bit like this effect 


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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 18875
    I don't do this, but I'm using HDX so the roundtrip latency is under 1ms.
    If you are using a native system then it could be you are compensating for buffer latency.
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1011
    edited October 23
    octatonic said:
    I don't do this, but I'm using HDX so the roundtrip latency is under 1ms.
    If you are using a native system then it could be you are compensating for buffer latency.
    I use it as a creative effect too, not only to adjust the latency, especially if a track is sounding a bit sterile.
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