Is this acceptable behaviour by a live act?

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AlnmouthAlnmouth Frets: 62
Last year I went to see Uli Jon Roth in concert for the first time ever, and probably the last.

For those who don't know, he is a German guitar player who was in the Scorpions back in the 1970s.  My main gripe was that he did not come on stage with his band until 9.15pm.  Before then we had just one support act, which lasted only around half an hour.  This was on a weeknight; I had work the next day, and so I was not prepared to stay till the very end of the concert.  I enjoyed what I saw of the concert, but next time Herr Roth comes to town I will pass on buying a ticket.

Last night I went to see a Thin Lizzy tribute band - a long set with no support act.  The doors opened at 6.30pm, and I arrived shortly before 7pm.  I was then a bit miffed to find out that the band was not due on stage until 7.30.  In the end they came on stage at 7.50pm.

Again it was a weeknight, and I had work the next day, and so I did not stay till the bitter end.  I enjoyed the concert, but all the same I do resent them coming on stage twenty minutes late.  Next time they are in town I might go to see them again, but I am not sure.
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1010
    I'd watch live concert videos during the week, and go to gigs on the weekends  :)
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  • AlnmouthAlnmouth Frets: 62
    Freebird said:
    I'd watch live concert videos during the week, and go to gigs on the weekends  :)
    To be fair I have been to some nice concerts on weeknights before now.  Okay, so I have to leave before the end, as I don't want to be late for work next morning.  But that is no big deal if the main act comes on stage at a reasonable time.

    For the record, I recently went to see Glen Hughes playing Deep Purple songs on a weeknight, and I enjoyed that.
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  • FreebirdFreebird Frets: 1010
    edited November 2
    We should be able to claim compensation!
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  • dariusdarius Frets: 40
    Imagine you are the band. 
    What time are you going to start your set?
    Will there be anyone there?
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 964
    For heavens sake, please don't ever go to a gig in the US because you'll be tucked up in bed before they main act are in stage. Seriously, they start very late there. Here in the UK I would expect the main act to be on anytime between 8-9pm. Weekdays...workdays? The artists and bands wouldn't even consider this.
    You guys must be the first people that I have heard who leave a gig early for work the next day. Can I ask how old you all are? In my 20's/30's I'd go to gigs in London and drive home to Lancashire and still be at work for 8 am the next morning. This was a normal occurence, three gigs a week was typical for me. 
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  • John_PJohn_P Frets: 1666

    Is this acceptable behaviour by a live act?

    Yes it is.    

     Unless I’m missing something I don’t see what the issue is.   What would you call a reasonable time for a gig to finish?
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  • JezWyndJezWynd Frets: 2505
    Rock n roll and work nights - not natural bedfellows.

    One of last times I went to see a band, Jason Lytle at a club in Brighton, I rolled up at 9pm thinking I’d be in good time, to be informed the gig was nearly over.  I went in anyway and was treated to 10 mins of dire crapness. Obviously a work night for him, fleecing the sheep.
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  • AlnmouthAlnmouth Frets: 62
    John_P said:

    Is this acceptable behaviour by a live act?

    Yes it is.    

     Unless I’m missing something I don’t see what the issue is.   What would you call a reasonable time for a gig to finish?
    The issue is not the finish time.  Little Mix begin their encores at around 10.30pm.  For Big Country it is even later.  The issue is that they should come on stage at a reasonable time.  This is especially important on weeknights, when many people will leave early because they have work the next day.

    Strat54, it is quite normal for people who work to care about not being late.  I have known many cases of people either being sacked from jobs or else quitting to avoid being sacked.  Poor timekeeping is one of the reasons.
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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 964
    Alnmouth said:
    John_P said:

    Is this acceptable behaviour by a live act?

    Yes it is.    

     Unless I’m missing something I don’t see what the issue is.   What would you call a reasonable time for a gig to finish?
    The issue is not the finish time.  Little Mix begin their encores at around 10.30pm.  For Big Country it is even later.  The issue is that they should come on stage at a reasonable time.  This is especially important on weeknights, when many people will leave early because they have work the next day.

    Strat54, it is quite normal for people who work to care about not being late.  I have known many cases of people either being sacked from jobs or else quitting to avoid being sacked.  Poor timekeeping is one of the reasons.
    Never been late for work, ever. I was my own boss for 30 years but people relied on my business being open at the correct time. Do you start work early?
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  • Pearl Jam in Leeds a few years back, took a short break so people could call babysitters. They played til nearly midnight. 

    You could not have paid me enough money to leave early. Fuck that! It's one night, and I work to live, not live to work. 

    This theory thst "people leave early on weeknights" is not one I recognise. 

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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7285
    I have very fond memories of going to see Uli many years ago. The excellent Nicky Moore sharing vocals. 

    Some venues give show times in advance and some don’t . Sometimes a late start is for a reason beyond the control of the artists ( I suspect Uli likes to be tucked up with his cocoa in good time these days). 
    To the best of my memory I’ve only ever left one gig early that I paid for ( Furniture in about 1574) although you do see a lot of people pop off ten minutes early these days ( presumably to try to get off the car park ). 

    For anyone who isnt isn’t a time traveller here are Furniture:

    https://youtu.be/1JeEXP717T0
    Dum dum dum, dum dum de dum, dum dum dum, dum dummmm.
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3317
    edited November 2
    Alnmouth said:
    Last night I went to see a Thin Lizzy tribute band ....  Next time they are in town I might go to see them again, but I am not sure.
    Missed a trick there, surely you should have said the next time the boys are back in town?

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  • Strat54Strat54 Frets: 964
    Pearl Jam in Leeds a few years back, took a short break so people could call babysitters. They played til nearly midnight. 

    You could not have paid me enough money to leave early. Fuck that! It's one night, and I work to live, not live to work. 

    This theory thst "people leave early on weeknights" is not one I recognise. 
    Absolutely. Saw PJ on their first UK tour, talked to EV before the gig. He was just stood there at the back, beanie hat rammed down and no one noticed him. Happy days. For me, bands start when they are ready. The waiting is part of the excitement, the pre gig build up. 
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  • heavyrockerheavyrocker Frets: 301
    Excellent trolling.
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 3928
    I spent all my 20s and 30s in Nightclubs most nights of the week
    I was always late for work
    I spent most of what I earnt on Cocaine and Hookers and the rest I wasted !
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  • FelineGuitarsFelineGuitars Frets: 5580
    edited November 3
    Having been going to gigs for the last 35 years I can confirm that a typical start time for a headline band hitting the stage has always been 9-9.30.
    It is only in recent times where the venue intends to have a club-night event in the venue afterwards that they have made a 10pm or 10.30 curfew for live bands resulting in them coming on earlier.

    If you work as I do and don't finish till 6pm and have to then get ready to go out and go up into London for a gig - you'd often be lucky to be there by 7.30-8pm, so it's quite annoying when they make the doors open at 5pm and first support bands on by 6.30

    You are lucky you never saw Guns and Roses - Axl didn't respect on-stage times for years - often 3 hours late onstage

    And I've just seen that you live just outside Croydon , so until fairly recently transport was still pretty reliable getting home.

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  • A good few years back Uli played Croydon's Fairfield Halls , along with Michael Schenker and Joe Satriani as part of G3 concert

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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 1403
    Have I misread this - they were on at 7.50 and you think that's too late?

    It's a gig. Not an episode of Teletubbies.
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  • ToneControlToneControl Frets: 4312
    some places rely on public transport to get people home (e.g. o2 Arenas in London), or have local regs on when the concert must finish

    otherwise:
    you can't expect a tour to go on the road and only play weekends, and you can't start too early either
    I think the band should state "on stage at.." and actually mean it though
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  • AlnmouthAlnmouth Frets: 62
    Dominic said:
    I spent all my 20s and 30s in Nightclubs most nights of the week
    I was always late for work
    I spent most of what I earnt on Cocaine and Hookers and the rest I wasted !
    If you were always late, then I am surprised that you even had a job.

    As for cocaine, people who buy it should have all of their money confiscated to be replaced with food stamps, and no I am not joking.

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  • choose concerts at gigs where they have a time curfew, that way the bands have to come on in time to get a full set done.

    I would not expect a main act to come on the stage until 8pm at the earliest, regardless of warm up bands.
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 2019
    Well, this thread stinks of rock and fucking roll. :)

    Now, back to Countdown.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 33342
    Years ago a friend of mine went to see Chuck Berry. He couldn’t be bothered with seeing a support band so he turned up just before the time when the headline act usually starts, to find hundreds of people streaming out of the venue. He stopped one and asked if it was a fire drill or something, only to be told Chuck Berry had just finished. He played from the contracted start time, for the minimum contracted duration, then left! Apparently that was normal for him.

    I don’t mind too much if they don’t play at the exact listed time, but bands going on stage hours late because they're too busy having fun backstage or they’re so important their fans should wait for the privilege of seeing them are just being dicks. More than about an hour late is taking the piss.
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 2019
    We regularly go the SSE in Belfast for gigs. Sometimes they’re bang on 9pm, other times it’s 9.15. No big deal. 

    We also have a 35/40 min drive after the gig is over around 10.30/45 and that’s assuming we can get out of the traffic jams promptly. So, that gets us home between 11.30 and 12 (give or take). AND that includes a school night. 

    As well as getting up at 5am or 5.30am you can be guaranteed one of our 3 kids will waken us during the night. 

    Soooo.... does 15/20/25/30 mins bother me? Not in the slightest. But that’s me. Aside from a band carrying on backstage there are other problems that can lead to a band going on late. 
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 8852
    You could save time on weeknight gigs by bringing a flask of cocoa and a teddy bear with you. 
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  • fandangofandango Frets: 1152
    darius said:
    Imagine you are the band. 
    What time are you going to start your set?
    Will there be anyone there?
    What’s the first song?
    And where’s the bass player gone?
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  • Drive to venue for a 1 o’clock load in, Sound check at 4 catering 6 Door 730 support 8 for half an hour 830 get support off and line check headliners, 9 o’clock show 11 o’clock if your lucky load out 1230 leave venue and drive home or to the next one

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  • uncledickuncledick Frets: 233
    Late for work!  I can see a gig at the London O2 and then drive back to Devon and still be in work for 8am so I don't really see you have a problem.
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 12193
    edited November 3
    I do sort of wonder if the OP has ever experienced a soundcheck running late.

    The majority of gigs I play have the headliner going on around 10:30pm. This makes me laugh a bit.
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1484
    For the opera or classical concert, definitely not. For a loud band with guitars... seems ok
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