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boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
edited December 6 in Off Topic
We’re going to need a new car soon. Our Jag XF is lovely but the boot space is getting to be a problem and it’s a Euro cat 5 diesel, which means we’ll get clobbered for the new London emissions surcharge before too long.

So we’re thinking medium sized estate. Volvo V60, BMW 320 touring or Audi A4 Avant look the favourites so far. Definite wants:

automatic

not massive so no Skoda Superb, 5 series or V90

decent level of kit: sat nav, parking sensors, Bluetooth, heated leather seats. 

newish (say not more than 2 years old)
budget of up to £25k.

We only do 7k miles a year so I guess we should consider petrol rather than diesel this time?

Thoughts? 
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  • If you are in London , Mitsubishi Outliander PHEV. Not an estate but not a huge SUV.  Get the higher spec models and all the kit you want and more is on there.  No tax and probably no conjestion charge.  
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    edited November 3
    I’m not in London but we do visit my mum every week, who is. Also not fond of SUV’s to be honest but I’ll take a look. 
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    Double post 
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  • Foot print will likely be shorter then estate. But boot won’t be as big. 
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  • Skoda Octavia
    I don't have experience of their current petrol engines but they are VW/Audi so will probably be very good in all respects.
    Our 2008 diesel estate is the best car I've ever owned. I only sold it because I didn't need a car that size anymore, but I want one again.
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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1408
    I would probably go for a Hybrid, Toyota do the Auris Touring which is quite nice, but if you want something a bit fancier most companies only make bigger cars in Hybrid form. 
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 14739
    boogieman said:
    Volvo V60, BMW 320 touring or Audi A4 Avant look the favourites so far. Definite wants:

    automatic

    not massive so no Skoda Superb, 5 series or V90

    decent level of kit: sat nav, parking sensors, Bluetooth, heated leather seats. 
    Are you after something a bit badgey? 

    Otherwise, Octavia VRS? Huge boot, not slow, sensibly priced, decent kit. 
    Parachutes are great, for dogs and Frenchmen. 
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  • DanRDanR Frets: 626
    I work for both Seat and Skoda.

    The Leon estate drives nicer than the Octavia as you feel a bit more connected to the road.

    If you’re not after out right performance our 1.5 TSi would be my choice.
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    Sporky said:
    boogieman said:
    Volvo V60, BMW 320 touring or Audi A4 Avant look the favourites so far. Definite wants:

    automatic

    not massive so no Skoda Superb, 5 series or V90

    decent level of kit: sat nav, parking sensors, Bluetooth, heated leather seats. 
    Are you after something a bit badgey? 

    Otherwise, Octavia VRS? Huge boot, not slow, sensibly priced, decent kit. 
    No, I’m not necessarily tied to any particular brands, just those ones kept coming up as the sort of thing we’re looking for. My wife likes the looks of the V60. She’s s rented one in the past and pronounced it very comfortable (which tbh is the thing she worries about the most). I hadn’t considered the Octavia (or the Leon). Hmmm, more food for thought. 
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303

    If you are in London , Mitsubishi Outliander PHEV. Not an estate but not a huge SUV.  Get the higher spec models and all the kit you want and more is on there.  No tax and probably no conjestion charge.  
    I had a look at Honest John reviews and the Outlander doesn’t look that great in real life. £130 road tax after the first year. It also weighs two tonnes and the real life mpg is nothing like the manufacturer’s claims...mid 60s rather than 145. We get 55 out of the Jag at the moment and that’s a 3 litre v6. The driving experience isn’t great either with a noisy unrefined engine and so-so interior. 
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  • FosterFoster Frets: 819
    Just checked on the internet, if I wanted (god knows why) to drive to london I'd have to pay £100 a day!

    Part of me can't help but wonder if this is all a cynical ploy to keep the underclass in their place by essentially pricing them out of activities and hopefully pushing them out of London. 

    Assuming I don't have to pay out for repairs (so the cost of the vehicle, tax, insurance, fuel, annual service) costs me £6.26 a day (based on chucking £30 worth of fuel in a week). How can they justify charging people an extra £100 a day?
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    Foster said:
    Just checked on the internet, if I wanted (god knows why) to drive to london I'd have to pay £100 a day!

    Part of me can't help but wonder if this is all a cynical ploy to keep the underclass in their place by essentially pricing them out of activities and hopefully pushing them out of London. 

    Assuming I don't have to pay out for repairs (so the cost of the vehicle, tax, insurance, fuel, annual service) costs me £6.26 a day (based on chucking £30 worth of fuel in a week). How can they justify charging people an extra £100 a day?
    That’s what’s made us look at changing car. In a couple of years time we’re looking at £12.50 a day just to travel into outer London, let alone the central part. No doubt that’s just a starting point too and it’ll go up from there.

     I can see the point, because older vehicles are the most polluting, but you’re right in that it’ll price out people who aren’t in a position to replace their cars/vans/lorries. It’s going to kill a lot of small businesses. No doubt London shop prices and rents will go up to compensate too. I guess the hope is that commuters will switch to public transport but a) that’s not feasible for everyone and b) it really affects businesses who have to work in the ULEZ. 
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  • celentiumcelentium Frets: 200
    Golf R Estate DSG? 
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  • Passat GTE estate?


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  • DeadmanDeadman Frets: 2602
    I'd have to recommend any BMW with a six cylinder engine. The rest is just gravy.
    My trading feedback is here 
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  • grungebobgrungebob Frets: 1147
    Take a look at the BMW 3 series GT. it’s boot is bigger than the touring and it’s a hatchback. They are cheaper too but essentially the same car. 
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  • NikcNikc Frets: 119
    Subrau - often overlooked but great cars very safe, reliable and well made. The new Impreza is nothing like the old one (they should have renamed it) the XV is a cracking cross over type that is so popular at the moment. 

    They really are worth a look at, driving aides are above pretty much anything on the market, their engineering is second to none - no i don't work for them :)
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  • Axe_meisterAxe_meister Frets: 2268
    Hands Civic estate
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 4107
    boogieman said:

    If you are in London , Mitsubishi Outliander PHEV. Not an estate but not a huge SUV.  Get the higher spec models and all the kit you want and more is on there.  No tax and probably no conjestion charge.  
    I had a look at Honest John reviews and the Outlander doesn’t look that great in real life. £130 road tax after the first year. It also weighs two tonnes and the real life mpg is nothing like the manufacturer’s claims...mid 60s rather than 145. We get 55 out of the Jag at the moment and that’s a 3 litre v6. The driving experience isn’t great either with a noisy unrefined engine and so-so interior. 
    We looked into the Outlander PHEV in massive detail ............seems ideal BUT they are riddled with problems and complaints
    lots have had fires but most importantly once you decide to accept the plasticky interior fittings and that you have to go top of range to get satnav etc (which is the most non user friendly on the road) the big disappointment is that the mileage and range claims are a big fat lie .........they achieve about 50% of the claimed range under normal use.
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  • stickyfiddlestickyfiddle Frets: 9752
    MX5? 




    ;)
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  • exocetexocet Frets: 599
    Dominic said:
    boogieman said:

    If you are in London , Mitsubishi Outliander PHEV. Not an estate but not a huge SUV.  Get the higher spec models and all the kit you want and more is on there.  No tax and probably no conjestion charge.  
    I had a look at Honest John reviews and the Outlander doesn’t look that great in real life. £130 road tax after the first year. It also weighs two tonnes and the real life mpg is nothing like the manufacturer’s claims...mid 60s rather than 145. We get 55 out of the Jag at the moment and that’s a 3 litre v6. The driving experience isn’t great either with a noisy unrefined engine and so-so interior. 
    We looked into the Outlander PHEV in massive detail ............seems ideal BUT they are riddled with problems and complaints
    lots have had fires but most importantly once you decide to accept the plasticky interior fittings and that you have to go top of range to get satnav etc (which is the most non user friendly on the road) the big disappointment is that the mileage and range claims are a big fat lie .........they achieve about 50% of the claimed range under normal use.
    They're pretty useless for long journeys. A friend of mine has one. It's been very reliable over the 2 years that he's had it BUT the battery pack means that the petrol tank is very small (6 gallons or so) and once the battery has exhausted, he gets around 30 to the gallon on a motorway so needs to refill every 200 miles or so.
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  • strtdvstrtdv Frets: 1261
    edited November 4
    If I lived in London I'd be going for one of the approved PHEVs, my pick would be the Passat GTE or the Mercedes C350e.
    Both are available as estates and you can get a 2017 example of either for under £25k, and both are congestion charge exempt.
    Both are also well equipped and a bit "premium".
    Robot Lords of Tokyo, SMILE TASTE KITTENS!
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  • ToneControlToneControl Frets: 4471
    If you live in London, I'd say avoid diesel. What's the point? it's for 100 miles a day commuters surely?

    My Mrs has a V70 diesel auto. It's OK, and acceleration is OK, but frankly the leather seats are very uncomfy, and it's very rough driving over any uneven roads and speed bumps compared to my car. She had an XC90 once, which was much smoother, and had excellent seats.
    So- don't assume Volvo seats will be comfy, ours does my back in after 30 mins

    Is a C class Merc too big?

    I have never been impressed with 3 series BMW sizes
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  • strtdvstrtdv Frets: 1261
    C class isn't any bigger than a 3 series
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  • ToneControlToneControl Frets: 4471
    edited November 4
    strtdv said:
    C class isn't any bigger than a 3 series
    used to be, AFAIK

    saloon boot space seems similar now, but I never used to easily fit in a 3 series, and I've hated the 3 series courtesy cars I've had, whereas the C classes have had more space around the front seats
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  • boogiemanboogieman Frets: 5303
    MX5? 




    ;)
    Ha ha. I would if I could. We’ve got a new grandson who we’ll be having one or two days a week when his mum goes back to work. Which means needing space for a buggy, child seat and all the other assorted crap that babies need. 

    Thanks for the other suggestions, looking into them. 

    @ToneControl. What age is the V70? Surprised to hear the seats are uncomfortable. Most reviews I’ve seen say the Volvo seats are one of its best features?? 
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  • ToneControlToneControl Frets: 4471
    boogieman said:
    MX5? 




    ;)
    Ha ha. I would if I could. We’ve got a new grandson who we’ll be having one or two days a week when his mum goes back to work. Which means needing space for a buggy, child seat and all the other assorted crap that babies need. 

    Thanks for the other suggestions, looking into them. 

    @ToneControl. What age is the V70? Surprised to hear the seats are uncomfortable. Most reviews I’ve seen say the Volvo seats are one of its best features?? 
    I was surprised, it's over 3 years old  now. I hate going places in it because I always get backache, but when we need the estate, we have to use it. I know Volvo make excellent seats, but they put crap ones in ours
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  • LodiousLodious Frets: 832
    I saw a post on a BMW forum about emissions issues with the new 320i engines. I didn't pay much attention but worth investigating if your considering one. 

    My wife has a 3 series touring (335d), and it's OK. It's quick but boring as you like to drive. The ZF gearboxes BMW use are really good though. 

    Unless you are up to speed with the options packs on German cars they can be a massive pain when buying secondhand, as some non standard options can be rare but really important. 

    If I was only doing 7K, i'd lease and choose whatever is cheap at the time (check on Pistonheads car buying forum or start googling and see what shows up on your fb adverts). There have been some really good deals on Golf R Estates etc. 

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  • KoaKoa Frets: 40
    Audi A4 Allroad is a fantastic car and a great used buy, £40k new but half of that at 3 years old and a lot of car with the S Tronic auto gearbox 
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 4107
    The A4 is a great car ,well built and great engineering but whatever spec you get they are very much a drivers car from the suspension aspect...........a very firm ride , consequently great handling but most middle aged people find them very hard to the point of uncomfortable especially if you use a lot of potholed/non A road routes.
    Tha Allroad is no exception.
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