Global warming - how else can these signs be explained?

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Our roses are still in bloom, note it is well into November
A lot of Summer bedding plants are still flowering.
I noticed a cowslip flowering a few days ago. These usually flower in late Spring.
On our way into town yesterday, my wife and I saw a cherry tree in full flower.
Last week a pair of sparrows were observed 'doing up' their nest under the boiler house roof.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [Albert Einstein]

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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3317
    Rocker said:
    Our roses are still in bloom, note it is well into November
    A lot of Summer bedding plants are still flowering.
    I noticed a cowslip flowering a few days ago. These usually flower in late Spring.
    On our way into town yesterday, my wife and I saw a cherry tree in full flower.
    Last week a pair of sparrows were observed 'doing up' their nest under the boiler house roof.
    And it was 25 degrees in my house last night.

    Admittedly because the better half had switch the heating to the "Eden project" setting, but still

    Water, come drown me, I'm done

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  • prowlaprowla Frets: 1077
    It's also getting dark around 4 o'clock these days.
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  • TheMarlinTheMarlin Frets: 1428
    edited November 9
    15000 years ago, the UK was covered in glaciers four miles high.  At one time, the North Pole was in North America.  Tropical fossils have been found at the North Pole. 

    The earth is is always changing. I think the activity of the sun, and the great procession (the change in axis of the earth over 28000 years) have a great affect on climate. 

    Its too simolistic to blame CO2. 

    However, you can tax CO2 output..... you can’t tax the sun and the changing rotation of the earth...

    My summer bedding plants are frost burned. 


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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 1868
    TheMarlin said:
    15000 years ago, the UK was covered in glaciers four miles high.  At one time, the North Pole was in North America.  Tropical fossils have been found at the North Pole. 

    The earth is is always changing. I think the activity of the sun, and the great procession (the change in axis of the earth over 28000 years) have a great affect on climate. 

    Its too simolistic to blame CO2. 

    However, you can tax CO2 output..... you can’t tax the sun and the changing rotation of the earth...

    My summer bedding plants are frost burned. 


    Its very difficult to tell what is global warming in the cycle of warming and cooling and what is man made.  We are allegedly still in the warming cycle from the last ice age and not at our standard temperature.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 33342
    Rocker said:
    Our roses are still in bloom, note it is well into November
    A lot of Summer bedding plants are still flowering.
    I noticed a cowslip flowering a few days ago. These usually flower in late Spring.
    On our way into town yesterday, my wife and I saw a cherry tree in full flower.
    Last week a pair of sparrows were observed 'doing up' their nest under the boiler house roof.
    By themselves they don't really indicate much more than an unseasonal local variation. But when you look at the picture across the whole world, global warming is a fact which only the wilfully blinkered would deny - the question is whether human activity is responsible, if so then wholly or only partly, and if partly then how much.

    My guess is only partly, but a majority of it. The rapid rate of change that has occurred at the same time as the industrialised world would be quite a coincidence otherwise, especially when there is a mechanism which would explain the link. That doesn't mean there isn't a natural factor too, but if so then it's still equally important to reduce emissions since it's the amount and rate of change which will do the damage.
    "Take these three items, some WD-40, a vise grip, and a roll of duct tape. Any man worth his salt can fix almost any problem with this stuff alone."
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  • It seems to stay colder a lot later too, we had snow and hail in May by me this year. Strange times.
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  • lonestarlonestar Frets: 2019
    Rocker said:
    Our roses are still in bloom, note it is well into November
    A lot of Summer bedding plants are still flowering.
    I noticed a cowslip flowering a few days ago. These usually flower in late Spring.
    On our way into town yesterday, my wife and I saw a cherry tree in full flower.
    Last week a pair of sparrows were observed 'doing up' their nest under the boiler house roof.
    Brexit.
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 3928
    In the 15th century Britain was the most prolific grape producer in Europe and yet in the 19th Century it was guaranteed that the River Thames at London would be frozen solid with deep ice ......enough to accommodate a month -long Winter Fair regularly each year.
    It is also known that we experience a micro thermal warming/cooling on a 400 year cycle.
    I am not concerned about Global warming -I think it's a natural phenomena with very little man instigated effect.
    I am concerned about environmental pollution ,micro plastics, acid rain ,industrial residue, diesel nitrogen etc etc which is very serious.As far as the supposed Global warming goes:
    I think being able to tax items for some Holy cause gives a noble and "legitimate " status by which to excuse issues that should rightly and normally trigger revolution.......other examples .....
    .......The "sugar tax " and now thinking of taxing Red Meat is the ultimate Nanny Thief State in Action 
    Just ....Enough Already !
    I swear to God they will think of a way to pronounce too much Oxygen a cause of ill-health and Tax that too !
    Please just Fuck Off.

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  • usedtobeusedtobe Frets: 2606
    Dominic said:
    In the 15th century Britain was the most prolific grape producer in Europe and yet in the 19th Century it was guaranteed that the River Thames at London would be frozen solid with deep ice ......enough to accommodate a month -long Winter Fair regularly each year.
    It is also known that we experience a micro thermal warming/cooling on a 400 year cycle.
    I am not concerned about Global warming -I think it's a natural phenomena with very little man instigated effect.
    I am concerned about environmental pollution ,micro plastics, acid rain ,industrial residue, diesel nitrogen etc etc which is very serious.As far as the supposed Global warming goes:
    I think being able to tax items for some Holy cause gives a noble and "legitimate " status by which to excuse issues that should rightly and normally trigger revolution.......other examples .....
    .......The "sugar tax " and now thinking of taxing Red Meat is the ultimate Nanny Thief State in Action 
    Just ....Enough Already !
    I swear to God they will think of a way to pronounce too much Oxygen a cause of ill-health and Tax that too !
    Please just Fuck Off.

    Aaaaaaaand breathe.. :)
     so if you fancy a reissue of a guitar they never made in a colour they never used then it probably isn't too overpriced.

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  • @Dominic Wiz'd and well said. The only constant is whatever colour rosette they wear they are all bellends.

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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15892
    Global warming is not bullshit. I’ve been in the Dominican Republic for a week and it was 32 degrees Celsius! Last November it was 5 degrees in the fens. 
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 3928
    I didn't know the Fens were in the Dominican Republic 
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15892
    Dominic said:
    I didn't know the Fens were in the Dominican Republic 
    That will explain the 8.5 hours on the plane then..
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  • DominicDominic Frets: 3928
    Suppose it never actually took off.........
    They put the window blinds down ,made some engine noises and vibration and pressurised the cabin but it was all a duty -free illusion!
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 15892
    Dominic said:
    Suppose it never actually took off.........
    They put the window blinds down ,made some engine noises and vibration and pressurised the cabin but it was all a duty -free illusion!
    In that case the tourist board in the fens needs to make more of the palm trees. And the North Sea is a lot warmer than they have you believe
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  • SporkySporky Frets: 14073
    Climate change doesn't happen each winter or each summer. It is long term. This should be obvious to anyone applying even a moment's thought. 
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • mgawmgaw Frets: 2546
    Rocker said:
    Our roses are still in bloom, note it is well into November
    A lot of Summer bedding plants are still flowering.
    I noticed a cowslip flowering a few days ago. These usually flower in late Spring.
    On our way into town yesterday, my wife and I saw a cherry tree in full flower.
    Last week a pair of sparrows were observed 'doing up' their nest under the boiler house roof.
    you live in Australia remember
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  • Mark_RMark_R Frets: 68
    Interesting clip last night on the beeb about a speech Prince Charles made on the menace of plastics and their impact on the world.  Nothing new you would say, except he made the speech in 1970.  yes thats right, nineteen fucking seventy.
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  • I was chatting to another dad in the playground at my daughter's school. He asked what I do.
    "I'm a scientist"
    "Cool. I hope you don't work on that climate change nonsense*. It's all a hoax & part off a natural cycle" 
    "REALLY"
    "yeah. Complete hoax, no evidence. Nothing will convince me otherwise" .
    I thought he was joking, realised he wasn't & had to make my excuses and walk away**. 



    The evidence is compelling plus virtually all the contradictory papers have been debunked. 

    This page is quite nice in illustrating what we're seeing, but either you'll believe the evidence & research by scientists or you won't. No one needs to convince you it's happening for it to continue to happen. 
    https://www.popsci.com/xkcd-earth-average-temperature-timeline

    *Yes. I work on climate change.
    Yes. I believe it's real.
    Yes. I'm worried about the world we're creating & leaving for our children. 

    ** And as I don't do internet arguements, I'll do the same here. 
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  • Replies to threads about climate change depress me. 

    Scientists pretty much unanimously agree it’s real but joe bloggs knows better.  

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  • SporkySporky Frets: 14073
    Yeah, but [insert irrelevant made-up nonsense about bees or ancient Mesopotania or triffids or something] 
    Be your own evil twin. 
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  • RolandRoland Frets: 2106
    Replies to threads about climate change depress me. 

    Scientists pretty much unanimously agree it’s real but joe bloggs knows better.  

    and Trump agrees with Bloggs
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  • quarkyquarky Frets: 2348
    edited November 9
    We know that:

    1) CO2 is a greenhouse gas
    2) Man-made CO2 production has rocketed since the Industrial Revolution
    3) Atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution
    4) Global temperatures have increased since the Industrial Revolution

    Maybe there is no link at all between any of that, and it is all a huge coincidence. But we also know that the Sun's warming cycles don't correlate either.
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  • FretwiredFretwired Frets: 17340
    edited November 9
    The problem with the argument is that whether or not global warming is true, whether or not its being caused by man the general populace at large don't believe it. I'd change the argument to effect change - polluted air and water (London is appalling at times) plastics in the oceans killing life and polluting the oceans, intensive farming leading to lifeless baron wastelands (government report on the effect of EU CAP rules on the English countryside).  Ill health and cancers rising, drugs becoming less effective and viruses adapt ... go onto Facebook and see the reaction from people when they see a turtle trapped in plastic waste. Channel that shock and rage into getting change.

    Humanity needs to change to stop polluting the planet and adopt sustainable strategies to generate power, grow food and manage the planets resources so our kids and their kids can have a nice environment in which to grow up.

    Unfortunately, there are vested interests manipulating public opinion and governments across the globe.
    My pump-action drivel gun is smoking hot today!
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  • DougDoug Frets: 116
    lonestar said:
    Rocker said:
    Our roses are still in bloom, note it is well into November
    A lot of Summer bedding plants are still flowering.
    I noticed a cowslip flowering a few days ago. These usually flower in late Spring.
    On our way into town yesterday, my wife and I saw a cherry tree in full flower.
    Last week a pair of sparrows were observed 'doing up' their nest under the boiler house roof.
    Brexit.
    Or Trump, or could be Russia. ;)
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  • GarthyGarthy Frets: 2011
    quarky said:
    We know that:

    1) CO2 is a greenhouse gas
    2) Man-made CO2 production has rocketed since the Industrial Revolution
    3) Atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution
    4) Global temperatures have increased since the Industrial Revolution

    Maybe there is no link at all between any of that, and it is all a huge coincidence. But we also know that the Sun's warming cycles don't correlate either.
    5) C02 is easy to measure and tax.
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  • robertyroberty Frets: 593
    Garthy said:
    quarky said:
    We know that:

    1) CO2 is a greenhouse gas
    2) Man-made CO2 production has rocketed since the Industrial Revolution
    3) Atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution
    4) Global temperatures have increased since the Industrial Revolution

    Maybe there is no link at all between any of that, and it is all a huge coincidence. But we also know that the Sun's warming cycles don't correlate either.
    5) C02 is easy to measure and tax.
    There are easier ways to raise tax revenue than forming a conspiracy with 99% of the world's scientists

    I read the other day, the one thing conspiracy theorists have in common is that they have never worked as project managers :-)
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  • digitalscreamdigitalscream Frets: 12193
    ICBM said:

    the question is whether human activity is responsible, if so then wholly or only partly, and if partly then how much.

    That question is utterly irrelevant. The real questions are:

    1 - What level of warming can humankind tolerate before we see a precipitous drop in population?

    2 - What can we do to prevent that happening?

    Seriously...we've basically proven ourselves to be at least partially capable of altering the climate, and incredibly adept at altering our environment to suit our continued survival. We spend far too much time thinking about how we should avoid doing those things, and not enough considering the idea that we should artificially force the environment into a shape that benefits us. In fact, doing those things will likely benefit a lot of other species as well, certainly more than leaving it alone at this point; we're already well beyond the point where catastrophic runaway warming is preventable by simply not doing things.

    We need to be actively doing something.
    "Mains is ouchy if you get it up you" - Sporky
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  • “What if it’s not caused by greens house gases and we make a better world for nothing?”

    At this point, climate change deniers can seriously just fuck off. It always tends to be older people (40+) who will be dead before it becomes a serious problem - and it WILL become a serious problem for their kids and grandkids. If we have a chance to reverse it or at least reduce the impact then we would obviously be insane not to do so. This isn’t about whether it’s easy to introduce carbon taxes.

    The selfishness and shortsightedness of the individual human astounds me sometimes.
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  • siremoonsiremoon Frets: 566
    edited November 10
    It appears that the figures show there is a change to climate although those of us of a certain age can remember extreme summers, winters, floods, gales etc, and there are others from further back that are well documented.  Was anyone really measuring emissions in the 50s when virtually every building in the country was pouring the products of solid fuel combustion into the atmosphere and in London you literally couldn't see more than a few feet in front of you during the smog?  Is London really worse now than then?  Was this summer really more extreme than that of 1976?  (My memory of the latter says not noticeably).  The winters of 1947/8 and 1962/3 anyone?  How about snow in Buxton in June 1975?  1987 Hurricane?  Blah blah blah.  Extreme weather events have happened throughout history, it seems to me that they just attract more comment now.

    Statistical trends can be a useful indicator to things providing that they are used in context.  We seem to have two effects over the time since records began - more CO2 and detectable changes to average climate parameters - and a body of opinion that believes the former to be a cause.  The problem as I see it is that we are now able to measure things more precisely and yet we make comparisons with the more crudely gathered measurements of days gone by, and, "since records began" doesn't cover the entire history of human activity and is miniscule in planetary terms. 

    I don't dispute there are measurable changes I'm merely agnostic as to the cause. 
    “He is like a man with a fork in a world of soup.” - Noel Gallagher
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