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LebarqueLebarque Frets: 929
edited December 3 in Guitar
This may be a contentious subject, but I've seen several dealers commenting favourably on products they stock (sometimes exclusively) on here recently, and it's left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems disingenuous to me, or is it good marketing? Am I being over-sensitive, or is this bad form?
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  • jimmyguitarjimmyguitar Frets: 1619
    If I was a dealer i’d only stock things I thought were great so maybe there’s an honest reason?
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  • ArchtopDaveArchtopDave Frets: 466
    This isn’t exclusive to guitar dealers. This kind of thing goes on in any walk of life. I was proferring an ironic smile today in the Metrocentre Shopping Centre. A certain Mike Ashley promised to turn House of Fraser into “The Harrods of the North”. Curious then that the House of Fraser shop had “Closing Down Sale : 50% off” in the windows today. Nothing like keeping promises is there??
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  • SchnozzSchnozz Frets: 671
    This is why I don't bother watching those Andertons videos, although they do rank things occasionally.

    I've tried enough gear to know what I like now, but it is frustrating when something like the Boss Katana comes out, as you do have to test it in person - Everyone that owns one, or sells one, isn't exactly going to fess up that it's shit. 

    (I don't think the Katana is shit btw and I think it's solid for practice/rehearsals).
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  • steersteer Frets: 257
    Yes, if I was a dealer, I would only stock things that I think are shit.
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  • RiftAmpsRiftAmps Frets: 1329
    Lebarque said:
    This may be a contentious subject, but I've seen several dealers commenting favourably on products they stock
    Isn't that their job, as salesmen?
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  • richardhomerrichardhomer Frets: 19230
    No one selling anything in the classifieds here ever says the reason they’re selling something is because it’s rubbish. I’d expect any commercial enterprises that post here to be positive about the goods or services they sell.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 2071
    No one selling anything in the classifieds here ever says the reason they’re selling something is because it’s rubbish. I’d expect any commercial enterprises that post here to be positive about the goods or services they sell.
    It's weird everyone always sells the best guitar of that type they ever played. Especially when they even play like butter and smoke custom shops!
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 3380
    No one selling anything in the classifieds here ever says the reason they’re selling something is because it’s rubbish. I’d expect any commercial enterprises that post here to be positive about the goods or services they sell.
    I have done on several occasions

    Water, come drown me, I'm done

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  • guitarfishbayguitarfishbay Frets: 7194
    edited December 3
    What I'd advise is working out which other posters like similar things to you and pay attention to their opinions.

    Same goes for YouTubers, even though some of the guys I'd check out might be making money from their demo I can still usually tell if I like it or not from their demo. 

    Unless it's PGS Andy, in which case I'll like it regardless because he has some strange magic power.
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  • jpfampsjpfamps Frets: 1455
    edited December 6
    If I was a dealer i’d only stock things I thought were great so maybe there’s an honest reason?
    You not might have the choice if you look at the stocking requirements of most the big boys.

    For example a new dealer stocking requirement from a well known amp company stated that you had to stock 3 of their bass amps; as a friend of mine who owns a shop pointed out: "we don't sell basses, so why should be stock bass amps?"!
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  • jpfampsjpfamps Frets: 1455
    Lebarque said:
    This may be a contentious subject, but I've seen several dealers commenting favourably on products they stock (sometimes exclusively) on here recently, and it's left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems disingenuous to me, or is it good marketing? Am I being over-sensitive, or is this bad form?

    If the dealer is open about both the fact that they are a dealer and that they stock the item, then that's OK by me.

    However, both those conditions should be met in my view.




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  • FunkfingersFunkfingers Frets: 3462
    Lebarque said:
    I've seen several dealers commenting favourably on products they stock (sometimes exclusively) on here
    In the words of Mandy Rice-Davies, "They would say that, wouldn't they?"

    Schnozz said:
    Anderton's videos
    The Captain - amongst many others - always puts a positive spin on whatever he is promoting. If the best thing that can be said about a particular guitar or amplifier is that it represents excellent value for money as beginner gear, that is the aspect that is going to be emphasised above any other.

    If I visit my local guitar shop and express even the remotest interest in any of the stock on display, the proprietor is - rightly -going to switch into salesman mode. He will encourage me to try the item and, ideally, purchase it IMMEDIATELY. 

    Them's the rules of this particular game.


    "It's no wonder the Pacific Ocean is blue."
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  • fastonebazfastonebaz Frets: 232
    Lebarque said:
    This may be a contentious subject, but I've seen several dealers commenting favourably on products they stock (sometimes exclusively) on here recently, and it's left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems disingenuous to me, or is it good marketing? Am I being over-sensitive, or is this bad form?
    I get what you are saying.  For example that chap over at Richards' Guitars... he's a classic case of this, bleating on that that the Eastman les paul is the best think since round wheels, and then the Godin was the best thing since yorkshire puddings. etc.  They can't all be the best.  It's just sales and marketing spin to get people interested. What you need to do is sit back, slip on a Barry White record, kick of your shoes and relax man.
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  • LebarqueLebarque Frets: 929
    edited December 3
    To me, there's a difference between class acts, like @guitars4you, who are ever-helpful on a range of subjects and really contribute positively towards the forum, and others, 95% of whose posts are bigging up products they sell as if they've deliberately searched for them and are using the forum as a marketing tool. I don't blame them, just don't enjoy reading it.
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  • Naturally we would say that the guitars we make are pretty much top grade stuff...and there are many that would agree having played them. 
    Are they for everyone? Nope - some people need the G or the F or whatever on the headstock, some must have nitro finish and some want it a way other than how we do it, but we certainly aim to be brilliant at what WE do .
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 9110
    No one selling anything in the classifieds here ever says the reason they’re selling something is because it’s rubbish. I’d expect any commercial enterprises that post here to be positive about the goods or services they sell.
    I just traded an Epiphone JB Firebird in at a dealer for a big loss, because I didn't think it was very good. 

    It wasn't faulty, it was just a bit disappointing. I didn't rip them off, I just couldn't have bigged it up and sold it on here with a clear conscience.
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  • BridgehouseBridgehouse Frets: 16149
    Personally I think it’s fine - it’s the opposite I don’t like - when a dealer/maker rubbishes something they don’t stock/make because they don’t stock/make it
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 9110
    Personally I think it’s fine - it’s the opposite I don’t like - when a dealer/maker rubbishes something they don’t stock/make because they don’t stock/make it
    We do see a fair bit of that on here too. 
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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 12733
    I like to make up my own mind.
    My brain just switches off when I hear hype.
    (And hasn't switched back on since).
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 2071
    No one selling anything in the classifieds here ever says the reason they’re selling something is because it’s rubbish. I’d expect any commercial enterprises that post here to be positive about the goods or services they sell.
    I have done on several occasions
    This is true to the point he even refused to sell me an amp as he felt it was too rubbish!
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  • fretfinderfretfinder Frets: 2189
    edited December 4
    munckee said:
    No one selling anything in the classifieds here ever says the reason they’re selling something is because it’s rubbish. I’d expect any commercial enterprises that post here to be positive about the goods or services they sell.
    It's weird everyone always sells the best guitar of that type they ever played. Especially when they even play like butter and smoke custom shops!
    And just to seal it they often add: “and all my mates agree”!  :)
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  • fftcfftc Frets: 390
    I don't mind what folk say as long as any commercial interest is declared, then you can decide for yourself whether you are reading honest advice or salesman patter.

    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
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  • LebarqueLebarque Frets: 929
    fftc said:
    I don't mind what folk say as long as any commercial interest is declared, then you can decide for yourself whether you are reading honest advice or salesman patter.

    That's the thing though. Commercial interest is often not declared.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 1054
    Lebarque said:
    fftc said:
    I don't mind what folk say as long as any commercial interest is declared, then you can decide for yourself whether you are reading honest advice or salesman patter.

    That's the thing though. Commercial interest is often not declared.
    You rarely hear "the captain" saying "oof that just sounds and feels amazing for its price point - of course, I am only saying that because I want to sell you it"
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  • fftcfftc Frets: 390
    thegummy said:
    Lebarque said:
    fftc said:
    I don't mind what folk say as long as any commercial interest is declared, then you can decide for yourself whether you are reading honest advice or salesman patter.

    That's the thing though. Commercial interest is often not declared.
    You rarely hear "the captain" saying "oof that just sounds and feels amazing for its price point - of course, I am only saying that because I want to sell you it"
    It's pretty obvious if you are watching an Andertons video though, isn't it?

    I took the OP to mean on this forum where identities can be far better hidden.
    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
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  • LebarqueLebarque Frets: 929
    ^ Yep, correct. I'm talking about on Fretboard forum only.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 1054
    fftc said:
    thegummy said:
    Lebarque said:
    fftc said:
    I don't mind what folk say as long as any commercial interest is declared, then you can decide for yourself whether you are reading honest advice or salesman patter.

    That's the thing though. Commercial interest is often not declared.
    You rarely hear "the captain" saying "oof that just sounds and feels amazing for its price point - of course, I am only saying that because I want to sell you it"
    It's pretty obvious if you are watching an Andertons video though, isn't it?

    I took the OP to mean on this forum where identities can be far better hidden.
    My comment was tongue-in-cheek but, as much as it's obvious to us, I would imagine quite a lot of their large viewer base trust what they say in the videos to be genuine, honest advice and opinion and not just glorified sales pitch.
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  • LodiousLodious Frets: 832
    I don't have a problem with it as long as it's a clear it's a dealer who's posting. I don't think it's on when a dealer slags off other products, but promoting them is fine IMHO. 

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  • stevebrumstevebrum Frets: 4378
    Lebarque said:
    fftc said:
    I don't mind what folk say as long as any commercial interest is declared, then you can decide for yourself whether you are reading honest advice or salesman patter.

    That's the thing though. Commercial interest is often not declared.
    Lebarque said:
    ^ Yep, correct. I'm talking about on Fretboard forum only.

    What is the problem? Forget the cryptic shit. If you’ve got an issue with someone say it to them/us/the admin as appropriate.
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  • thegummythegummy Frets: 1054
    stevebrum said:
    Lebarque said:
    fftc said:
    I don't mind what folk say as long as any commercial interest is declared, then you can decide for yourself whether you are reading honest advice or salesman patter.

    That's the thing though. Commercial interest is often not declared.
    Lebarque said:
    ^ Yep, correct. I'm talking about on Fretboard forum only.

    What is the problem? Forget the cryptic shit. If you’ve got an issue with someone say it to them/us/the admin as appropriate.
    That's a bit confrontational, maybe it's not about one specific person in, it's just in general?
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