Flogging a dead horse?

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Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 925
According to animal rights organisation PETA we shouldn’t be using common phrases like:

Flogging a dead horse.
More than one way to skin a cat
Kill two birds with one stone
Bringing home the bacon
Put all your eggs in one basket
Take the bull by the horns
Let the cat out of the bag
Using someone as a Guinea Pig
Hold your horses
Opening up a can of worms

Peta want’s to see them removed from our language because vegans see them as offensive.

They are very commonly used expressions which, I have to say, I use without a thought for the literal meaning because they are all used metaphorically.

Do we have any vegans here? Are you dismayed by these common idioms?

I think we can count on Emp to be, but anyone else?
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 13771
    No you can't.  I don't find any of those phrases offensive.
    Anything too stupid to be said..... is sung.

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  • not_the_djnot_the_dj Frets: 5928
    Are we still allowed to freeze the balls off a brass monkey?

    (no actual monkeys were harmed in the writing of this post)
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  • webrthomsonwebrthomson Frets: 393
    edited December 6
    Sorry thats just stupid - they can fuck off, along with anyone offended by those phrases! I'd recommend getting a life.

    Just beacuse they are offended means sweet FA, and frankly nothing should change because they are:

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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 12769
    I always found 'pop goes the weasel' very unsettling.
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  • ESBlondeESBlonde Frets: 2493
    Letting the cat out of the bag refers to the whip called the cat of nine tails being pulled from it's stowage bag to thrash a sailor, it has nothing to do with poor animals but everything to do with people abuse.
    I wonder what these people would do if we went back to riding/working horses to save the planet from the internal combustion engine?

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  • SassafrasSassafras Frets: 12769
    I was a vegan for a good few years and I never found any of those expressions offensive.
    Certainly nowhere near as offensive as people wafting the smell of frying rashers in my direction.
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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 19337
    I don't eat meat or animal products, but I don't call it vegan because of exactly this sort of shit being associated with what is, for me at least, mostly down to health and diet and not ideology.

    PETA are fucking insane.

    I saw something else they were promoting about how you can't be a feminist if you eat eggs, because chicken slavery = female slavery.
    I am the juice of four limes.
    Trading Feedback

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  • hootsmonhootsmon Frets: 9307
    Emp likes opening up a can of worms especially with a Guinness or two
    tae be or not tae be
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  • Winny_PoohWinny_Pooh Frets: 3072
    edited December 6
    Only 'Sweat like a pig', simply because pigs are unable to sweat. 
    PETA are just looking for cheap publicy, I liked them more when they got hot girls to get their kit off. 
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  • deanodeano Frets: 317
    Hmmm... so using one of those phrases in the presence of a vegan, would really, really annoy said vegan?




    Heee......
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  • webrthomsonwebrthomson Frets: 393
    ESBlonde said:
    Letting the cat out of the bag refers to the whip called the cat of nine tails being pulled from it's stowage bag to thrash a sailor, it has nothing to do with poor animals but everything to do with people abuse.

    ^ Correct - as does refering to a room being too small to swing a cat - nothing to do with felines, all to do with whips

    octatonic said:

    PETA are fucking insane.
    /thread - you win!!

    I have yet to understand why anyone who thinks because something upsets / offends them the rest of the world should be barred from it? If you're upset about something why dont you show us your maturity by keeping it to yourself.
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  • randellarandella Frets: 1926
    Are we still allowed to freeze the balls off a brass monkey?
    I believe the officially-ratified SI unit is now "witch's tit".
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  • furtherfurther Frets: 57
    The brass monkey was where cannon balls were stored, made of brass in cold weather it contracted faster than steel so ejected said cannon balls. 
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 2165
     "Correct - as does refering to a room being too small to swing a cat - nothing to do with felines, all to do with whips"

    There was a viz letter once that said

    "There's not room to swing a cat in here" my wife said to me, I tested her theory and discovered that there was if you removed the wardrobe which sadly for the cat I did not."
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  • What replacements should we use for music:

    This tone is beefy = this tone is nut roasty

    Plays like butter = plays like olive oil
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  • revsorgrevsorg Frets: 386
    Since June 2017 I have followed a vegan diet for health reasons, I'm not a moral vegan.  In other words, I don't do it because the suffering of animals bothers me.  But inevitably I've been exposed to a lot of the thinking of vegans and I think the arguments for cutting out meat and dairy to reduce your impact on the planet are compelling.  But the most compelling reasons for me are around the health benefits that Dr. Michael Gregor sets out.

    So, I'm never going to find these phrases offensive.

    But I wonder if PETA had phrased their message a bit differently it wouldn't have caused the reaction it did.  I think if our species is going to survive the threat of global warming we're going to have to change what we consume, and there's a positive message in veganism here.  I think telling people that phrases are banned is stupid and confrontational.  I mean, who exactly is going to enforce the ban?  But they might have pointed out that language changes over time and in the future we might look at the language we use now the same way we look back on the language Tom Hanks used in You've Got Mail - dated and out of touch.
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  • scrumhalfscrumhalf Frets: 5103
    "Bringing home the bagels"?

    We'll have less of your cultural appropriation, thank you very much.
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  • LuttiSLuttiS Frets: 1251
    It really doesn't help their cause..  
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 2165
    revsorg said:
    Since June 2017 I have followed a vegan diet for health reasons, I'm not a moral vegan.  In other words, I don't do it because the suffering of animals bothers me.  But inevitably I've been exposed to a lot of the thinking of vegans and I think the arguments for cutting out meat and dairy to reduce your impact on the planet are compelling.  But the most compelling reasons for me are around the health benefits that Dr. Michael Gregor sets out.

    So, I'm never going to find these phrases offensive.

    But I wonder if PETA had phrased their message a bit differently it wouldn't have caused the reaction it did.  I think if our species is going to survive the threat of global warming we're going to have to change what we consume, and there's a positive message in veganism here.  I think telling people that phrases are banned is stupid and confrontational.  I mean, who exactly is going to enforce the ban?  But they might have pointed out that language changes over time and in the future we might look at the language we use now the same way we look back on the language Tom Hanks used in You've Got Mail - dated and out of touch.
    We are going to have to eat insects and jellyfish is the thinking I believe (according to radio 4 a while ago) , they are the only species constantly expanding in numbers like we do and maybe rats.  They will be blend them and reconstitute them into a product similar in texture to burgers and taste like whatever they want.
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  • mbembe Frets: 667
    PETA should think of the poor children and put them first.

    Children love to enjoy Jelly Spiders and Jelly Scorpion sweets, whilst Butterfly sweets are also popular with the girls.
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  • not_the_djnot_the_dj Frets: 5928
    further said:
    The brass monkey was where cannon balls were stored, made of brass in cold weather it contracted faster than steel so ejected said cannon balls. 
    These days that gets a QI style klaxon as a myth with no historical evidence.
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  • TeetonetalTeetonetal Frets: 6043
    I thought this had been debunked and that the actual statement was more along the lines of... as veganism becomes more and more popular, phrases like flogging a dead horse will fall out of favor and into disuse.
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  • Mark1960Mark1960 Frets: 54
    All highly amusing, but it does raise an interesting point about being offended or something being offensive, which I learnt an impotant lesson about recently. If you call a black person the N word, they are likely to get very angry very quickly, I know this because i have a black friend, and I have seen it happen, however his view is that although it is highly offensive to him, he understands that it may not be offensive to other people, hence being offended by something is very subjective. My point being that if we use potentially contentious phrases (to some) we should be aware that it may cause offence. I have a work mate who is a committed christian. I try not to swear in front of him as a courtisy out of respect. He does not expect it, but he does appreciate that I try to moderate my language. It's just a matter of respecting other peoples views. The flip side is those vegan fuckers shoudn't try to ram their twisted ideology down my throat. LOL
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 925

    I have yet to understand why anyone who thinks because something upsets / offends them the rest of the world should be barred from it? If you're upset about something why dont you show us your maturity by keeping it to yourself.
    The crux of the matter precisely identified and wis’d.

    There is a very disturbing movement, often emanating from student unions and other radical groups, which seeks to impose censorship on the masses with no mandate whatsoever whilst judging what is best for society and then imposing their will. Whether it be taking offence at the words of an old song, banning a list of popular fancy dress outfits, finding clapping inappropriate or a host of other actions which they wish to ban. It is easy to dismiss these people as loonies but history tells us that this can grow into something far more sinister if left unchecked. It’s a disturbing trend IMO.It is what Rowan Atkinson refers to in his videod speech as “a creeping culture of censoriousness” by “self-appointed arbiters of the public good”
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  • axisusaxisus Frets: 11439
    There should be a word to describe when your worthy cause is overrun by vacuous, self promoting, parasitical idiots.
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  • deanodeano Frets: 317
    edited December 6
    Jimbro66 said:

    I have yet to understand why anyone who thinks because something upsets / offends them the rest of the world should be barred from it? If you're upset about something why dont you show us your maturity by keeping it to yourself.
    The crux of the matter precisely identified and wis’d.

    There is a very disturbing movement, often emanating from student unions and other radical groups, which seeks to impose censorship on the masses with no mandate whatsoever whilst judging what is best for society and then imposing their will. Whether it be taking offence at the words of an old song, banning a list of popular fancy dress outfits, finding clapping inappropriate or a host of other actions which they wish to ban. It is easy to dismiss these people as loonies but history tells us that this can grow into something far more sinister if left unchecked. It’s a disturbing trend IMO.It is what Rowan Atkinson refers to in his videod speech as “a creeping culture of censoriousness” by “self-appointed arbiters of the public good”
    So, a bunch of socialists think they know best and don't think anyone not as clever as they are (because they are at uni right?) should be trusted to make decisions.

    Hmmm. I don't think that's news to be honest. I wouldn't worry as most of them are never let anywhere near real power until they grow up, and then most of them become Conservatives. This kind of thing has been going on in university student unions since the 60's, and nothing has ever come of it.
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  • SnagsSnags Frets: 724
    PETA exist to promote PETA and to fuel their own self-righteousness.

    I know a lot of serious animal welfare people, and I don't think a single one of them has a good word to say about PETA, other than by accident.

    The only people who are going to be offended by any of those phrases are people who are looking for an excuse. Or possibly a Jew or a Muslim if you asked whether they were bringing home the bacon, I suppose.
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  • Jimbro66Jimbro66 Frets: 925
    I thought this had been debunked and that the actual statement was more along the lines of... as veganism becomes more and more popular, phrases like flogging a dead horse will fall out of favor and into disuse.
    I think that was the statement from a University professor who had a fairly philosophical view but was then grasped at by PETA to promote their own agenda.
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 2165
    axisus said:
    There should be a word to describe when your worthy cause is overrun by vacuous, self promoting, parasitical idiots.
    I've been 'causeraped'?
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  • KilgoreKilgore Frets: 1439
    PETA can say what they like but fine words butter no parsnips.
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