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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7736
    I gave up meat about 38 years ago and have been variously vegetarian, vegan and pescatarian. The labels are pretty meaningless beyond giving you an idea of what to cook if I came round for dinner. 

    My kids weren't raised as vegetarians but they will often choose vegetarian options , they aren't used to having meat as the main feature in a meal all the time. In some ways I think that's a good balance, not thinking that a meal is incomplete without a big chunk of flesh. 

    I guess generally pursue what you like and look for non meat and reduced meat options within that. Have simple goals like meat free Monday's or avoiding the nightmare meats like battery chicken ( the cost of free range chicken will have you reaching for the tofu). Loads of stuff online, on an app like Kitchen Stories you can search by ingredient and meatless. 
    Assholes are like opinions - mine’s on the internet. 
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  • TheMarlinTheMarlin Frets: 1789
    TheMarlin said:
    tone1 said:
    Linda McCartney’s sausages... blood lovely things.... Don’t miss the meat at all.. :)
    I could never go vegan, it's just too difficult unless you REALLY plan your meals.  My daughter is vegan, but I'm just convinced it's an attention seeking 'follow the herd, and fall in line' millennial thing.... 

    Untrue on all counts :-)
    You know her?
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  • MattBansheeMattBanshee Frets: 905
    TheMarlin said:
    TheMarlin said:
    tone1 said:
    Linda McCartney’s sausages... blood lovely things.... Don’t miss the meat at all.. :)
    I could never go vegan, it's just too difficult unless you REALLY plan your meals.  My daughter is vegan, but I'm just convinced it's an attention seeking 'follow the herd, and fall in line' millennial thing.... 

    Untrue on all counts :-)
    You know her?
    No, but as a vegan I can categorically state that it is not "difficult unless you REALLY plan your meals", and the whole "it's a millennial/sheep/fad" nonsense is a Piers Morgan-esque blinkered, bigoted opinion that gets levelled at vegans all the time by omnivores who refuse to accept that people have legitimate reasons for wanting to do things differently.

    I hope you give your daughter support, not scorn.
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1849
    I agree with @MattBanshee, 

    Why do certain people need to belittle others about their dietary choices? If they were being belittled due to their race, sexuality, religion, even nationality then there would some bigotry going on and it would probably be called out. 

    I have made some dietary choices and I never proselytise. My reasons are my own, so please don't chuck the "how the f**k do you know a carrot doesn't have feelings" bullshit at me before asking me at least why I've made my choices. Please also note that I will never shout at you or belittle you for your choices, however wrong I feel they may be.    
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  • revsorgrevsorg Frets: 521
    Some people's feelings of self-worth are bound up in making other people feel worse.
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  • Bygone_TonesBygone_Tones Frets: 1377
    edited January 4
    Maybe a bit hypocritical of me, but you really don't need to buy books. Get on youtube, pinterest, instagram. Millions of free recipes and cooking tutorials. Get on the author's social media and get all their free content.

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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 2034
    My favourite veggie recipe is just two simple slices of bread, buttered and placed together. Lovely.

    Although you do need to put some bacon in between them to make it pleasurable.
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • UnclePsychosisUnclePsychosis Frets: 5633
    edited January 4
    Hattigol said:
    My favourite veggie recipe is just two simple slices of bread, buttered and placed together. Lovely.

    Although you do need to put some bacon in between them to make it pleasurable.
    Excellent timing! @Emp_Fab the single worst thing about going vegetarian or vegan is---quite genuinely---the "humour" to which you will be subjected.

    My wife is vegan so I encounter this a lot but even speaking as someone who still very much enjoys the odd steak now and then the "but, bacon!!!1111" brigade do my tits in just as much hers. 
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1849
    Excellent timing! @Emp_Fab the single worst thing about going vegetarian or vegan is---quite genuinely---the prejudice to which you will be subjected.
    Fixed that for you. 
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  • TheMarlinTheMarlin Frets: 1789
    TheMarlin said:
    TheMarlin said:
    tone1 said:
    Linda McCartney’s sausages... blood lovely things.... Don’t miss the meat at all.. :)
    I could never go vegan, it's just too difficult unless you REALLY plan your meals.  My daughter is vegan, but I'm just convinced it's an attention seeking 'follow the herd, and fall in line' millennial thing.... 

    Untrue on all counts :-)
    You know her?
    No, but as a vegan I can categorically state that it is not "difficult unless you REALLY plan your meals", and the whole "it's a millennial/sheep/fad" nonsense is a Piers Morgan-esque blinkered, bigoted opinion that gets levelled at vegans all the time by omnivores who refuse to accept that people have legitimate reasons for wanting to do things differently.

    I hope you give your daughter support, not scorn.
    Do I give my daughter support? What do you think? if you knew me (which you don’t), you would know I’m all about family.  I adore my daughter (she’s 19). 
    I supported my daughter all through chef school (she’s a fully trained chef specialising in vegan food), and i’ll continue to support her through her degree and beyond. 

    I cook vegan food for her (remember, I’ve been a vegetarian for 35 years), but I find that it take a lot more thought to get a vegan specific meal on a plate than a vegetarian meal. They way I do it is to plan her meals for the time she’s with me. That way I know the day before that I need to soak pulses overnight, or ferment/ pickle veggies overnight, or sprout seeds etc. 

    I like vegan food, but prefer the vegetarian options I’ve cooked for the last 35 years. Plus, I can throw a great veggie meal together much quicker. i very rarely use an processed ingredients, though every few months crave a veggie sausage sandwich. 

    What I don’t like is over opinionated semi militant veganism.  In some way, it reminds me of conspiracy theorists, they watch a few YouTube videos, take someone else’s opinion as their own, and ram it down people throats. I find a lot of young vegans all have identical opinions, identical points of view, the same script, it’s all a bit ‘jelly mould’. 

    i have no problem with strong opinions, but I favour getting them from real world experience, not forums and YouTube.  

    I do agree that many animals are treated poorly in the name of food production, but I don’t eat that stuff.  My wife or other children are not vegetarian, and I do buy meat for them (and cook it), but I buy good meat from local producers. I can see how the animals are raised. 



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  • tone1tone1 Frets: 2145
    edited January 4
    I’m not a Vegetarian but have been looking to reduce red meat intake still further. Today I took the family out to lunch by the Sea and had a wonderful Vegetarian burger and chips. It tasted nicer than any meat burger I’ve ever had...
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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2907
    I'm not Veggie, but try this.

    Fry Garlic and Green Chillies in Olive Oil

    Cook Linguine or Spaghetti.

    Stir Chilli and Garlic Infused Oil into Pasta

    Add generous amounts of Parmigiano Reggiano (not any old Parmesan), stir into pasta.

    This is gorgeous enough like this but you can add:

    Lentils that have been cooked with Red Chillies and Celery.

    I mean Lentils that still look like little balls when done, not the Mush that Neil from the Young Ones serves up :)

    YMMV as I've got an Italian Chef for a Brother in Law. It was as good as anything I'd ever tasted with meat in it.
    Dont want to piss on your bonfire but adding Parmigiano Reggiano will make this a non veggie meal.  Parmigiano Reggiano is made using calf rennet.
    I thought Veggies could do Dairy Products and it was only Vegans who didn't do them @thumpingrug ?
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  • jonnyburgojonnyburgo Frets: 6567
    My kids have been veggie from birth, I have been accused of child abuse. Funny as fuck.
    "OUR TOSSPOT"
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  • HattigolHattigol Frets: 2034
    merlin said:
    Excellent timing! @Emp_Fab the single worst thing about going vegetarian or vegan is---quite genuinely---the prejudice to which you will be subjected.
    Fixed that for you. 
    The prejudice? Oh you poor lambs....wait, no, you poor lamb-shaped tofu pieces.
    "Anybody can play. The note is only 20%. The attitude of the motherf*cker who plays it is  80%" - Miles Davis
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 14658
    UnclePsychosis said

    Emp_Fab
    the single worst thing about going vegetarian or vegan is---quite genuinely---the "humour" to which you will be subjected.

    My wife is vegan so I encounter this a lot but even speaking as someone who still very much enjoys the odd steak now and then the "but, bacon!!!1111" brigade do my tits in just as much hers. 
    Naah.  It won't affect me at all.  1. We never really eat with anyone else and 2. If we do, they're not immature tossers.

    Oh and 3. I'm 54 and if anyone did come out with us and make a crap joke, I'd likely tell them to fuck off elsewhere - an attitude that conveniently results in point 1 !
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
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  • martinwmartinw Frets: 2042
    merlin said:
    I agree with @MattBanshee, 

    Why do certain people need to belittle others about their dietary choices? If they were being belittled due to their race, sexuality, religion, even nationality then there would some bigotry going on and it would probably be called out. 
    Why not? Happens on this forum all the time, particularly, and ironically, with regard to music.
    Also with everything from coffee to politics; why should diet be any different?
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  • GrunfeldGrunfeld Frets: 2814
    edited January 4
    martinw said:
    merlin said:

    Why do certain people need to belittle others about their dietary choices? If they were being belittled due to their race, sexuality, religion, even nationality then there would some bigotry going on and it would probably be called out. 
    Why not? Happens on this forum all the time, particularly, and ironically, with regard to music.
    Also with everything from coffee to politics; why should diet be any different?
    I reckon it's because of the ethics which is often, but not always, associated with some dietary choices. 
    Some dietary choices are like music -- basically personal taste:
    I eat Marmite -- Boo! vs Hooray!  Just like Joe Bonamassa, also Boo vs Hooray.
    Those examples will sometimes produce heated debate but people can usually keep a sense of perspective.  And if you go down to the level of say enjoying wine gums or A Flock of Seagulls then no one is really going to give a stuff.
    However... when someone does care enough about killing animals... or making an impact on the environment.... it gets beyond Boo vs Hooray and moves over into morality in a way that Marmite, Bonamassa, and wine gums doesn't.
    Something like that I think.


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  • thumpingrugthumpingrug Frets: 1461
    I'm not Veggie, but try this.

    Fry Garlic and Green Chillies in Olive Oil

    Cook Linguine or Spaghetti.

    Stir Chilli and Garlic Infused Oil into Pasta

    Add generous amounts of Parmigiano Reggiano (not any old Parmesan), stir into pasta.

    This is gorgeous enough like this but you can add:

    Lentils that have been cooked with Red Chillies and Celery.

    I mean Lentils that still look like little balls when done, not the Mush that Neil from the Young Ones serves up :)

    YMMV as I've got an Italian Chef for a Brother in Law. It was as good as anything I'd ever tasted with meat in it.
    Dont want to piss on your bonfire but adding Parmigiano Reggiano will make this a non veggie meal.  Parmigiano Reggiano is made using calf rennet.
    I thought Veggies could do Dairy Products and it was only Vegans who didn't do them @thumpingrug ?
    Hi, @Bellycaster ; you are correct that veggies do diary and eggs because these are not "dead animals" and vegans avoid all animal products whatsoever, however its not the milk in the cheese that makes it none veggie its calf rennet.  The rennet, taken from the stomach,  can only come from the slaughter of the calf and therefore cheeses made with animal rennet are not considered to be veggie.   Other veggie parmesans are available, but I cant comment on what these are like as I avoid non-veggie cheese.    When I first became a veggie 35 years ago it was very difficult to find veggie cheese, but nowadays the majority is veggie.  It tends to be these protected region specialist foods that stick to their age old transitional recipes, despite newer techniques being available.  

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  • BellycasterBellycaster Frets: 2907
    I'm not Veggie, but try this.

    Fry Garlic and Green Chillies in Olive Oil

    Cook Linguine or Spaghetti.

    Stir Chilli and Garlic Infused Oil into Pasta

    Add generous amounts of Parmigiano Reggiano (not any old Parmesan), stir into pasta.

    This is gorgeous enough like this but you can add:

    Lentils that have been cooked with Red Chillies and Celery.

    I mean Lentils that still look like little balls when done, not the Mush that Neil from the Young Ones serves up :)

    YMMV as I've got an Italian Chef for a Brother in Law. It was as good as anything I'd ever tasted with meat in it.
    Dont want to piss on your bonfire but adding Parmigiano Reggiano will make this a non veggie meal.  Parmigiano Reggiano is made using calf rennet.
    I thought Veggies could do Dairy Products and it was only Vegans who didn't do them @thumpingrug ?
    Hi, @Bellycaster ; you are correct that veggies do diary and eggs because these are not "dead animals" and vegans avoid all animal products whatsoever, however its not the milk in the cheese that makes it none veggie its calf rennet.  The rennet, taken from the stomach,  can only come from the slaughter of the calf and therefore cheeses made with animal rennet are not considered to be veggie.   Other veggie parmesans are available, but I cant comment on what these are like as I avoid non-veggie cheese.    When I first became a veggie 35 years ago it was very difficult to find veggie cheese, but nowadays the majority is veggie.  It tends to be these protected region specialist foods that stick to their age old transitional recipes, despite newer techniques being available.  
    Gordon Rennet, who'd a thunk it :)

    You'll have to use cheapo Parmesan @Emp_Fab ;

    ;)
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1849
    martinw said:
    Why not? Happens on this forum all the time, particularly, and ironically, with regard to music.
    Also with everything from coffee to politics; why should diet be any different?
    Does that make it right, because it happens on this forum? 
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  • McSwaggertyMcSwaggerty Frets: 154
    I'm a vegetarian - l subscribe to the Vegan magazine 'Plant Based'.....it has some brilliant ideas and recipes that my meat eating friends really enjoy.

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  • martinwmartinw Frets: 2042
    merlin said:
    martinw said:
    Why not? Happens on this forum all the time, particularly, and ironically, with regard to music.
    Also with everything from coffee to politics; why should diet be any different?
    Does that make it right, because it happens on this forum? 
    No, of course not. Irony bypass? ;)
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  • merlinmerlin Frets: 1849
    martinw said:
    merlin said:
    Does that make it right, because it happens on this forum? 
    No, of course not. Irony bypass? ;)
    And right back at ya. I guess nuance is lost in the typed forum word. 
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  • maltingsaudiomaltingsaudio Frets: 1035
    I think way too much emphasis on being Vegan these days, it’s a fad unless you are doing the vegetarian thing for saving animals ( but that in itself is self defeating , a debate for a different thread) 

    Cutting down on red meat is a good thing and eating more greens is also a good thing, but the headset of going vegetarian for my health is not. Giving proper consideration of what you eat and your dietary requirements is the proper way forward. Concerns about animal welfare especially when compounded by the latest internet scare stories and the need to be “right on” will only be relevant in the pub, not to your own longevity.
    www.maltingsaudio.co.uk
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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 10573
    martinw said:
    merlin said:
    I agree with @MattBanshee, 

    Why do certain people need to belittle others about their dietary choices? If they were being belittled due to their race, sexuality, religion, even nationality then there would some bigotry going on and it would probably be called out. 
    Why not? Happens on this forum all the time, particularly, and ironically, with regard to music.
    Also with everything from coffee to politics; why should diet be any different?
    Exactly. It's a choice, an opinion, a fashion, not a race or a gender. 

    I am slowly becoming a vegetarian for various reasons and have vegan friends, but I reserve the right to take the piss out of them just as they take the piss out of my taste in music.

    Laughing at someone's stupid fucking hat is categorically NOT the same as calling someone a nigger, no matter how proud, evangelical and humourless you are about your headgear. 
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  • Emp_FabEmp_Fab Frets: 14658
    Why is it anyone else's business why someone chooses to stop eating meat ?  It's as relevant as why someone chooses to drink alcohol or not, or wipe their arse with quilted paper or not....   Who the fuck thinks they have the right to criticise an individual's personal choices ?  More to the point - why would you keep these cretins as friends ?
    Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
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  • Jez6345789Jez6345789 Frets: 1039
    edited January 5
    These days there are a mountain of really good vegetable-based dishes online. The key to changing is really a mental state of mind one. Do it gradually when you find dishes you really like and include them in your regular staple increasing them as you fancy them. Don't beat yourself up if you fancy a bit of steak or a shepherds pie. If you go all denial you will be back to meet in a few months. 

    I have never understood the look like taste like products like Veggie Bacon or Veggie pulled pork, I went to a Vegan party recently and they gave me some vegan duck canape's WTF and all the Vegan Terrorist were busy telling me how it tastes just like duck. Why even bother. 

    As said do it for your reasons not what people say you should. 

    PS don't get me started on Vegans LOL




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  • gringopiggringopig Frets: 1100
    I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat mammals.


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  • p90foolp90fool Frets: 10573
    Emp_Fab said:
    Why is it anyone else's business why someone chooses to stop eating meat ?  
    It isn't, unless they won't shut the fuck up about it, then it's unavoidably EVERYONE'S business. 

    Put it this way, if I have never had a meal with someone or been in the same room as them while they're eating, then the only way I would know whether they are vegetarian or vegan is because they've told me they are. 

    You can't impose your opinion on the entire world then tell people it's none of their business if they disagree with it. 
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  • EricTheWearyEricTheWeary Frets: 7736
    I'm not generally a fan of veggie ready meal/ processed stuff but I had a Gregg's vegan sausage roll today and it was very tasty. If a bit disturbingly meaty. And probably not great if eating less meat for health reasons. But tasty. 
    Assholes are like opinions - mine’s on the internet. 
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