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markjmarkj Frets: 287
edited January 8 in Amps
Quite interested in one of these amps. What’s the difference between the silver face and the blackface model, also is there a version with a 10;” speaker?
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  • munckeemunckee Frets: 3110
    edited January 8
    65 blackface is pretty faithful reissue, 68 Custom (silverface) has tweaks to make more friendly with pedals and has a celestion speaker, both 10 inch from memory.  I wanted the 65, couldn't find one to try, tried a 68 and bought it on the spot and absolutely love it.
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  • markjmarkj Frets: 287
    Sorry I meant a version with a 12” speaker.
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  • martmart Frets: 3310
    markj said:
    Sorry I meant a version with a 12” speaker.
    There have certainly been limited editions with 12” speakers, e.g.
    https://www.andertons.co.uk/guitar-dept/electric-guitar-amps/valve-amps/valve-combos/fender-65-princeton-reverb-with-celestion-alnico-blue-speaker
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  • The cabinet is certainly large enough to take a 12". You can get replacement baffles so you can put it back to stock easily.
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  • markjmarkj Frets: 287
    What’s so special about the Princeton, had a blues junior it sounded horrible and boxy.
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  • olafgartenolafgarten Frets: 1491
    markj said:
    What’s so special about the Princeton, had a blues junior it sounded horrible and boxy.

    The Princeton is the furthest thing from Horrible and Boxy you can get. The Blues Jr is just a really bad amp, I don't know how they made it sound so bad, and why it's so popular.
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  • thecolourboxthecolourbox Frets: 4107
    markj said:
    What’s so special about the Princeton, had a blues junior it sounded horrible and boxy.
    I wasn't a huge fan of the Princeton I had as my room isn't big enough to accommodate the volume, but there is no comparison between the Blues Jr and any model of Princeton. It's a bit like saying "what's so good about a Ferrari, I had a Fiat 500 and it was pants"
    I may feel slightly sad, but I won't cry
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  • fandangofandango Frets: 1375
    mart said:
    markj said:
    Sorry I meant a version with a 12” speaker.
    There have certainly been limited editions with 12” speakers, e.g.
    https://www.andertons.co.uk/guitar-dept/electric-guitar-amps/valve-amps/valve-combos/fender-65-princeton-reverb-with-celestion-alnico-blue-speaker
    That’s the FSR black and blue version. There’s also a limited FSR Tweed version with 12” Cannabis Rex. And then there’s yet another limited Fender Princeton with a different 12”.

    The cabinet is certainly large enough to take a 12". You can get replacement baffles so you can put it back to stock easily.
    Alder & Ash in the very forum made me a baffle that suited my choice of the 12” Celestion Neo Creamback. No more flub.
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  • ICBMICBM Frets: 38205
    markj said:
    What’s so special about the Princeton, had a blues junior it sounded horrible and boxy.
    What's so special about the Princeton is simply that it sounds nothing whatever like a Blues Junior.
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  • crunchmancrunchman Frets: 4782
    munckee said:
    65 blackface is pretty faithful reissue, 68 Custom (silverface) has tweaks to make more friendly with pedals and has a celestion speaker, both 10 inch from memory.  I wanted the 65, couldn't find one to try, tried a 68 and bought it on the spot and absolutely love it.
    I've got the 68 version.  I prefer it with a more "American" sounding WGS speaker.  It puts it back a bit closer to the 65, but there are circuit differences as well, so it's not identical.  I don't think the Celestion does it any favours.
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  • JalapenoJalapeno Frets: 3778
    edited January 9

    ICBM said:
    markj said:
    What’s so special about the Princeton, had a blues junior it sounded horrible and boxy.
    What's so special about the Princeton is simply that it sounds nothing whatever like a Blues Junior.
    This

    Same applies to Pro Junior vs Blues Junior - totally different amp, and the Pro Junior is much better.
    Imagine something sharp and witty here ......

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  • teradaterada Frets: 4140
    Princetons are absolutely lovely, and as said above, nothing at all like an awful blues junior. 

    I A/Bd the 68 and 65, and with a les paul the 65 was a clear winner for me.

    I reckon with a strat a 68 may well be the better option though.
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  • Anyone have any thoughts on the 68 vibrolux Vs the Princeton? 

    Something I'm considering but haven't had a chance to try out.

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  • octatonicoctatonic Frets: 21327
    Anyone have any thoughts on the 68 vibrolux Vs the Princeton? 

    Something I'm considering but haven't had a chance to try out.

    I haven't played the RI but the blackface Vibrolux Reverb is a fantastic amp.
    Smaller transformers than other BF 6L6 amps so breakup is a lot earlier.
    I don't own one because they are now quite desirable and therefore expensive, plus the usual caveats of keeping vintage amps running.
    If the RI is close to that sort of sound then you'll love it.

    It will be louder than a PRRI of course.

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  • Thanks @octatonic . Going have to find somewhere where I can give them a serious demo.
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  • Chris_JChris_J Frets: 102
    I used to have a 65 reissue with an updated output transformer and a g10 gold speaker. Lovely sounding little amp! 
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  • Hydra19Hydra19 Frets: 107
    Princetons are one of the hallmarks of Fender tone, they are also one of the most recorded amps due to their small size for the studio. Tommy Tedesco used a Princeton and a Tele!

    I traded a JCM800 for a PRRI and I was in tone heaven for 2 years until I sold it to 'upgrade' to a Vibroverb reissue, but I'm not so sure it was an upgrade. The VVRI is fatter, less scooped, more mids, but I still can't forget about how nice the Princeton was. 
    What is so special about it? Other than being a small amp with tube tremolo and reverb, it is already a classic in a way which a Blues Jr will never be.  
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